Toyota-Scion will not discontinue making the FRS
 

Reading these message board for since 2013 when I bought my FRS, I've seen an increasing amount of comments about the FRS being discontinued. I did some research and this is what I came up with.

In April of 2014, 1,445 FRS cars were sold.
In April of 2015, 1,089 FRS cars were sold.

1. With a decrease of 28-29%, I was getting nervous. Then as I looked at 159 cars, I learned most had a negative percentage. The cars that had a positive percentage were rare, including Toyota Camry and Corolla, Nissan Sentra, Hyundai Elantra, Chrysler 200 and Subaru Outback as the only cars within the top 15 most sold cars. That leaves 9 cars cars in the top 15 most selling car list seeing a down trend.

2. Now, it doesn't make sense to compare Toyota Camry (#1 ranked car in sale) to an FRS. One car is suited more for families and often used as a company car, where as the other is suited for 21-mid 30's guys (Yes, I know girls drive and own the car, but all FRS commercials and posters show a male exiting the drivers seat). For those in their 20-30s, its difficult to find a job in a difficult market, regarding all fields, these folks have less money, as a result of a poor job or no job. Hey, oatmeal beats no meal. Not to mention insurance is crazy high, I just got my bill as a 26 yo male. OUCH!

So where am I going with this?

Scion FRS ranks 89 with 1,089 cars sold in April 2015

There are 159 cars on the list, meaning there's 70 cars selling less per month. Thinking to myself, "These are new models and will discontinued." I was wrong. Many are established models, for example the Nissan Z, BMW 2 and 7 series, Jaguar F-Type (2x the price, less than half the sales, great looking car btw), Audi TT, Mazda 2, Acuras TSX, Dodge Avenger and Mazda Miata to name a few.

When the company set out to develop and manufacture the FRS, their intentions were a little different than it was when they created the Camry. The FRS is a model they'll want in their lineup because it's one of those cars that is fun and most people want. Unfortunately, it's not practical for a lot of people, including those ready to start a family or need a lot of cargo or need a car better suited for tremendous amounts of snow fall, like upstate NY.

I strongly believe its' sales could drop as low as 200-250 per month and they'll still be manufacturing them. Hopefully that doesn't happen, but they could always go to the model of selling the FRS every other year rather than every year. Once they start uping the HP and torque, adding an AWD version, than there becomes the possibility of them discontinuing it because the price to make it becomes much more expensive and the few people its marketed towards may not even be able to afford it after these things we want have been installed into it.

I want to hear your thoughts.

My thoughts: LOL. I didn't know we wanted an AWD. If they built the car "we" wanted, it would be a fat, ugly, slower, overpriced and over weight soul-less factory-riced POS.

How many times will people keep mentioning more power/awd/turbo/etc. and still need to be reminded that it would cannibalize sales of a car Subaru makes...

I'd love to see how people expect this car to miraculously fit an AWD system. Have they even LOOKED at the car and where everything is placed?

Here, a visual aid:
http://subaru-com-au-4.s3.amazonaws.com/brz1.jpg

The front axles would have to share the same space as the #3 and #4 cylinders. The only way to make an AWD system fit would require raising the engine and transmission. That would mean raising the hood and transmission tunnel.

So let's say they do that... Now the seating position has to be higher in order to see over the hood and have the shifter/center console in a comfortable position. Now we need a taller roof line. Gotta raise the trunk line now to keep the car from looking silly. And with making the whole car taller, we need to make it longer or again, it won't be visually appealing and sales will be lost.

OMG, we just made a WRX.

So how is this magical AWD 86 supposed to be built?

They could move the whole engine/transmission unit back a foot or so, maybe they could fit the diff in front of the motor... Just a thought.

It can be done and keep it low:
http://showautoreviews.com/wp-conten...Talon-TSI2.jpg
Doesn't matter as they won't anyway since like has been already said, WRX.

sti version to boost sales confirmed

source: motoring.au

I think the 86 is part of a scenario. Have an entry level affordable sports car marketed to under 35 yo and when they introduce a step up model for example a super car. Market it to the professional 40 and up who may have better financial stability and can afford a Toyota super car (yes just thinking out loud). So get an 86 and when they are grown out of the 86 move up. Just a thought. My point is that the 86 is not going away.

I can't see Toyota abandoning the 86 project. This car will fit the lower market and the FT1 will fill in the middle market. Think Celica - Supra.

I hope it doesn't go away. I hope Toyota/Subaru improves ALL aspects of the car instead of spitting out half-assed limited editions.

Sorta what I said :P

How about an FR-S S haha

"Scion FRS-RS TRD-S Edition. Look we plastidipped the rims! And added a body kit and some heavy ass rims! What's that? Want more power? Fuck you! This car is solely about the driving experience! But hey take a look at these speakers we put in this shit!"

Can't believe I wasted a view point on this thread. Oh shit...

I wish they would kill Scion and give us the GT86.

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This.

It shows not many peeps test drove or researched the car first. They just hoped in, floored first and 2nd and thought it was a GTR, so they bought it.

I hope the FR-S makes it at least 3(+?) generations like the Corolla or Celica.

What about deleting the rear seats (lol rear seats) for space? Also, I'm no architect or engineer but if they could make the Evo less than 180inches in length with a 4 wheel drive system, there is hope for our 167 inch car. In terms of engine staying the same, and other stuff... i dont know. I do know if the engineers would wanna change the car, they could. I just dont see why... Sure, there's times I'd want it to be 300hp but then I dont remember ever not complaining about something in one of my other cars... Complained my old skool Celica was not as good in mpg as I hoped (17-23 vs 30-40), my Corolla couldnt beat a Dodge Viper, and my thunderbird was not manual... There's always something someone don't like. I say the FR-S is fine for the price it has. Love how aerodynamic it is at 90mph....dont ask how I know... XD Fat and the furious.

This car handles great at 200km/h (about 125mph) with the TRD bodykit, TRD adjustable spring kit and the TRD SF2 wheels wrapped in Michelin pilot sport 3, 225/40/R18 :burnrubber:

Autobahn ftw.. :thumbup:

Lol i was driving from Santa Monica and hit high speed falling asleep. No jerking, not rattling just smooth. Then i realized i was going too fast and just pulled over at a hotel. :D

That's more of a Toronto and Vancouver problem (from a Canadian context). Other cities are relatively fine.

We will see a 4WD version with a 6" lift before we see a Factory Turbo'd AWD version...

And yes...I am challenging TCoat to find a lifted Twin Pic

Close enough?

http://www.leblogauto.com/wp-content.../08/GT86_2.jpg

Or how about this

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-w...Prerunner1.jpg

Damn it the Subies get the hover tech before we do.

Exactly correct! Now that they were expecting faster they are bitching about it.I researched and drove the auto and manual around a small track the dealer has and knew it was just right for me. No ones perfect but in this age of information ability a few google searches would of made a difference. Buyers remorse??

Have to move the firewall back a foot too. So the entire car gets longer or the front wheels are in the front bumper. As below, the rear seats could be removed, but thats part of what sets this car apart from the Miata.

Both cars have transverse mounted engines. Ignoring a whole slew of reasons why an AWD system would change the feel of the car, going with a tall transverse mount engine and asymmetrical front driveshafts would totally change the nature of this car. Not to mention the tall hood line again (remember the hood has to have a sizeable gap between it and the engine for pedestrian impact standards, which the DSM did not need to meet.)

Again we're redesigning an existing car.

Oh don't get my comment wrong. I simply said they could not should or would. Would change the whole car and lose everything it was designed for but they could.

But it will be fast though! Lol

I would feel very terrified while driving that thing. Lightweight car, lifted that high...

I'd be even more terrified if I saw a lifted Twin coming up behind me.

Actually since each one of the wheels probably weights about 1/2 what the whole car does I doubt you could tip that thing if you had too.

People keep buying them.

It WILL happen.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...FT-86/Donk.jpg

ETA: This dork is almost there:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKEfR7ofkEM"]"Internet-built," stanced/cambered/donk (#rekt) Rocket Bunny Toyota FRS... - YouTube[/ame]

Dude don't mix up your Donk and your Stance. That'll get you beat up.

The 86 fits the tuner/racing crowed that are the more hardcore, yet smaller market share of the general population. It fits into that "cool" section exactly where Toyota wants it.

It was never designed to be a massive number mover, Toyota already has the Camry, Corolla and Prius for your average job driver. It also has the RAV4 and Tocoma for the SUV and Truck market.


The 86 fits the exact market Toyota wants. Its the cool return to form racing car they want at an entry level price. Its not going anywhere, nor will they ever turn there track racing car into a AWD rally car. They will just build something new.

You just hide from one where there are a lot of turns and the other where there are plenty of speed bumps. They will never catch you.

JFC. A stanced donk with a rocket-tard body. Thanks for that.

It will get discontinued..read this article

http://brzcrash.com/2014/04/brz-frs-...14-production/

Better title: Toyota-Scion will continue making the FRS

I knows grammars goods

I am not unwell.

When I see someone speculate (which happens far to often with the 86) this is all that pops into my head lol.

http://www.demotivationalposters.org...1273119874.jpg

Talked to my friend who knows a guy who works at the dealer. He said the 2017 model year is supposed to be the last year, something about a final edition model. :(