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Euphues 06-27-2015 03:50 PM

Clutch pedal feels super light
 
I just bought a 2015 FRS with 5900 miles. It's the only 86 I've driven until today. I drove a 2013 BRZ with about 30k on it. The clutch felt really hard and caught near the top on the pedal. My pedal is extremely light and catches down low. I had him drive my car and one other guy feel it. They both said the pedal feels extremely light and slips a bit.

Do you think I should be concerned? Could I get this replaced under warranty?

tyrantcf 06-27-2015 05:07 PM

Does it change at all as the fluids warm up?

How high does the clutch pedal sit? If even with or slightly lower than the brake pedal, It's possible the previous owner did the clutch height mod.

Ultramaroon 06-27-2015 05:46 PM

what do you mean by "slips a bit?"

kodyo 06-27-2015 06:36 PM

Make sure your clutch fluid reservoir is full and then bleed the clutch. It's similar to the brakes and requires two people.

Euphues 06-27-2015 07:07 PM

No change with fluid temps. The pedal height is the same as it was in the brz I drove. The pedal has almost no resistance.

By slip I mean that upon shifting it doesn't bite like I would expect it to.

Ultramaroon 06-27-2015 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphues (Post 2301831)
No change with fluid temps. The pedal height is the same as it was in the brz I drove. The pedal has almost no resistance.

By slip I mean that upon shifting it doesn't bite like I would expect it to.

Just sounds like your clutch is toast. It's super light because there's nothing left of the disk so the pressure plate is unloaded.

Euphues 06-27-2015 07:48 PM

I'll be talking to toyota this week. Hopefully bumper to bumper will cover it

kodyo 06-27-2015 07:56 PM

Did you check clutch fluid reservoir yet? Seriously, if you got air in the line it would feel the same. Take it in, but I'd have them bleed the system before replacing the clutch. 5900 miles is really low for a clutch to go out. Was it used when you bought it?

Ultramaroon 06-27-2015 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kodyo (Post 2301860)
Did you check clutch fluid reservoir yet? Seriously, if you got air in the line it would feel the same. Take it in, but I'd have them bleed the system before replacing the clutch. 5900 miles is really low for a clutch to go out. Was it used when you bought it?

OP would not get slippage if it was only air in the line. Those 2 corresponding symptoms point directly to clutch.

kodyo 06-27-2015 08:18 PM

OP, when they figure out what's wrong, please post back here with an update so that we all know what the cause was.

Ultramaroon 06-27-2015 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kodyo (Post 2301871)
OP, when they figure out what's wrong, please post back here with an update so that we all know what the cause was.

I bet you 5 internets it's the clutch.

Ultramaroon 06-27-2015 08:25 PM

Hell, make it 10.

kodyo 06-27-2015 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2301878)
Hell, make it 10.

Haha, I'm more curious if my initial feeling was correct than anything and young posters have a habit of never reporting back once the issue is solved. I don't doubt that it could be the clutch, but a clutch failure at 5900 miles may be the bigger surprise here. Anyways, you're on! I'll give you 10 internets if the problem is the actual clutch plate (or anything internal to the trans) and if it's not related to the master/slave.

D_Thissen 06-27-2015 08:29 PM

My guess is the clutch. Even though it only has <6000 miles, who knows how the original owner drove it.

kodyo 06-27-2015 08:31 PM

I wonder if there is any chance the original owner did the clutch pedal adjustment that I've seen people do on here.

Ultramaroon 06-27-2015 08:40 PM

Might also be the throwout collar binding against the tranny front cover but I made the bet.

Euphues 06-27-2015 09:28 PM

I'll update when they figure it out. It'll be a few weeks before I can go visit the dealer.

The car is a 15 certified used. Had 2 owners before me... Which seems crazy.

ybotspawn 06-27-2015 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphues (Post 2301940)
I'll update when they figure it out. It'll be a few weeks before I can go visit the dealer.

The car is a 15 certified used. Had 2 owners before me... Which seems crazy.


2 owners on a car less than 6k miles? Something smells wrong...

D_Thissen 06-27-2015 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphues (Post 2301940)
I'll update when they figure it out. It'll be a few weeks before I can go visit the dealer.

The car is a 15 certified used. Had 2 owners before me... Which seems crazy.

Certified by whom? Scion/Toyota?

Fastbrew 06-27-2015 10:20 PM

Why - Certified by Milton Bloomis Quality Motors where everything is guaranteed until it's broke.

Error 06-28-2015 12:03 AM

I had a similar problem/issue/thingy? I remember making a couple of trips to town within the hour and suddenly realized my clutch felt extremely light. It was a lot of stop and go during rush hour lunch time, and my clutch pedal felt like nothing. That was a few months ago and it hasn't happened again even after pushing the car hard for extended periods of time to see if it happened again. Oh well, all's well as of right now.

Euphues 06-28-2015 12:11 PM

It's a certified used toyota. The dealership said they didn't have any info on the previous owners. It is a scion just to clarify.

Euphues 06-28-2015 12:12 PM

purchased at bob Tyler toyota in Pensacola Florida

pantdino 06-28-2015 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphues (Post 2301831)
No change with fluid temps. The pedal height is the same as it was in the brz I drove. The pedal has almost no resistance.

By slip I mean that upon shifting it doesn't bite like I would expect it to.



If you can feel the clutch still slipping when your foot is off the pedal, it is not engaging fully. Try revving the engine while stopped and quickly let out the clutch, suddenly- the tires might spin but the clutch should not.


It IS possible to use up a clutch in 6K mi if a persons slips it a lot when starting off, starting while going up hill, holding the car on an incline by slipping the clutch, etc.


I would think the Certified status would save your ass here-- part of being certified means it has been checked over and is up to specs. Had you gotten it from a private party or Joe's Used Cars, it might not be covered.

SkAsphalt 06-29-2015 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2301876)
I bet you 5 internets it's the clutch.

I replaced my clutch because of comments like yours. my OEM clutch was totally fine. Shitty release bearing.

Ultramaroon 06-29-2015 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SkAsphalt (Post 2303083)
I replaced my clutch because I based my decision soley on comments like yours. my OEM clutch was totally fine. Shitty release bearing like the thing you mentioned in your follow-up.

fify :D

pantdino 06-29-2015 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkAsphalt (Post 2303083)
I replaced my clutch because of comments like yours. my OEM clutch was totally fine. Shitty release bearing.


But basically the diagnosis is correct--If you are talking about the throwout bearing that sits by the clutch disc, its the same net result-- the tranny has to come out.

Ultramaroon 06-30-2015 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pantdino (Post 2304181)
its the same net result-- the tranny has to come out.

dat butthurt doe

SkAsphalt 06-30-2015 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2304212)
dat butthurt doe

The dildo you keep up your butt must be huge :P

JB86'd 06-30-2015 11:53 AM

Damn all this talk about trannys and dildos and butts hurting has me clutching myself

Ultramaroon 06-30-2015 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkAsphalt (Post 2304528)
The dildo you keep up your butt must be huge :P

:cheers: No pain no gain.
Quote:

Originally Posted by JB86'd (Post 2304617)
Damn all this talk about trannys and dildos and butts hurting has me clutching myself

:clap:

sgtcarrot 08-12-2015 12:34 AM

Hmmm interesting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphues (Post 2302304)
purchased at bob Tyler toyota in Pensacola Florida

I also have a scion frs that I just bought, used, 2015 with two previous owners.
Carfax was clean, they explained that the guy had lost the title so a new one was issued. They count "#of owners" by the number of times the title is issued.

Seems weird.
Mine has 4,727 miles on it. I have put on 300.
Car seems fine, got the extended 100K bumper to bumper for the extra money.

Seems weird though, right?

Ultramaroon 08-12-2015 12:49 AM

@Euphues, any updates?

Euphues 09-17-2015 02:43 PM

Sorry guys, I brought in to them and was told it wasn't bad enough to warrant a replacement. They gave me a note from the service manager saying it has been looked at and noted. I am hoping to have it replaced when I get to Utah.


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