FT-86 offered AUTOMATIC only?
 

I really hope I'm seeing things. I was just checking Toyota.ca and this is what i found. "Power and environmental performance are provided by a 2.0-litre 'flat four' engine that channels its power to the rear wheels via a six-speed automatic transmission."

cite: http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObje...?v180016e.html

somebody please email toyota canada and tell them they made a typo

They are high... The concept is clearly a manual..

Don't want no stinking Paddle shifters even if they shift faster than a human can, and don't want a Autotragic either. Pure hardcore gear shift only for me.

No effing way.

Is it me or what?

I go to Toyota USA site, im not even sure if im on the right one but there is no mention of the FT 86.

what the hell?

iirc that's been on the Canada site since the introduction of the FT-86. It obviously hasn't been updated yet.

theres just no way they can compete in a sports car market without a manual

Jesus never gives up

Darn right.

Bloody de-motivational posters :mad0260:.

The concept has a 6spd manual. Maybe just a typo :iono:?
http://www.toyota.ca/v3/media/concept/i_con_ft864.jpg
That is from THEIR website so no automatic visible.

That's how they do it up in Canada! :clap:

I remember watching a video about the FT86 and they clearly said they are gonna keep it a 6MT for drifting. Drifting or not, 6MT is the only way they gonna make the sales they wanna see right?

yeah i know but a concepts concept. ure probably right on the typo

auto /ok
 

when does anyone think this car can be ordered and price/thanks:thanks:

go to the white search box on top of page /enter concept cars and it pops up

Hahaha i 100% agree with RhythmOfSmoke!!

I'm all for a good paddle-shift option. This car is going to have a stick as standard, it's pretty much obvious.

But I really hope that they offer a decent auto-box.(please no CVT though)

Automatics have come a long way, some are even surpassing manuals in outright speed. Sure, autos are easier and i guess "less-hardcore" but that's not a negative. Power-steering? race set-up traction controls? Electronic selectable center diffs?

All of these make driving easier and the faster. The only one that gets so much hate is the automatic transmission.

I'm sure they'll offer an auto of some kind. If it's good enough, I may even go for it.

If the Subaru has AWD and a good auto, that'll be my next set of wheels.

Auto-trans because 90% of my commute is stop and go traffic and this has to be a daily driver. One needs to relax when they drive in the city, not row a boat and do ballet (sorry purist)

AWD because we are suppose to get more than a foot of snow here in Chicago and it just got me thinking...RWD would be a bitch right now.

Automatics add extra (unnecessary!) weight and suck up a lot more power. As well as disconnect a degree of control from the driver.

Fail.

If you can't drive a stick you shouldn't be behind the wheel of a responsive, dynamic sports car. If you don't want a stick and the interactive driving experience that comes with it, why do you want this car? Go buy a Solara or a (stock, cosmetically modified) tC.

Why is this thread still open? This is waste of space and some of the comments on here come as a waste of air required to power the brain to type such gibberish..
I drive 90% of my time in congestion. I have never owned a auto.. Learn to use the clutch or go and look for a non sports car..
And also if there is a auto option CVT should be it

probably because of the rumors of the FT being a Scion...have you checked the Scion website?

The appeal of the FT-86 is a cheap, fun, sporty little car. Given that most RWD sporty cars require at least $30k-40k, this car is suppose to be the everyday hero, like a VW GTI or other hot-hatch. There are no entry level RWD sports coupes besides the Hyundai Genesis.

With a properly matched autobox, the fun factor of this car can remain relatively intact. The DSG option on the VW doesn't kill the fun as say a green-CVT would or some ancient 4-speed auto.

It's a matter of taste and opinion here. To set the record straight, I'd 100% get a manual if I could afford a 2nd car for purely recreational purposes.

So you can't drive manual in traffic? Do you have a bung knee/hip/ankle or are you just a fat lazy prick who prefers auto over manual cus it's easier??

Would you prefer mechanical unassisted steering because having power steering makes it easier to turn the wheel?

ABS? various traction controls? How about carbon ceramic brakes, you want to pass on those because they makes stopping easier and more effective?

limited slip difs, fancy suspension set-ups, engine management computers etc etc. all make driving faster easier.

A good performance autobox (like DSG, PDK, SST) has better performance without any of the drawbacks. Why wouldn't one want that besides it's less connected to the driver. It's a matter of choice.

If you like driving manual more then good for you. Nothing wrong with that.

I prefer having no power options to begin with... I don't like abs or traction control or dynamic stability control.. Not on a track/fun/sports car. Carbon ceramic brakes and "fancy suspension setups" (I'm gonna assume u are referring to multylink) don't take away from the feel at all... Those are upgrades to outdated components.. Power steering is great for shopping centers but that's about it.. And these are all my opinions.. What I was saying before is why have this car as a every day commuter and a fun car if it's auto.. I'd rather have more work in traffic and awesome fun on weekends than boring all the time
And this is all going further and further from the OT
I have nothing against ppl wanting auto.. This thread was referring to ONLY having auto

Granted the new dual clutch automated manuals are faster shifting than any human and from a strictly performance stand point the DCT's will be faster than a traditional three pedal manual.

BUT...this car was advertised to be a back to basics driver oriented RWD performance car, and as such, us enthusiasts want to be as connected to the car as possible. That's why we want our manual transmissions.

No need for all the hate in this thread. Subyota isn't stupid, they know there will be tons of customers who will buy this car for other reasons than hardcore drivers focussed performance and there will be some type of automatic for you guys. I doubt it will be a DCT though as Subaru doesn't have one in the line up yet and it would raise the price on the car too high.

That's a very good philosophy but I just can't apply it to me. The only real track day experience available to me is hours away and requires membership. Autocross is something I'd love to do but that's only during the summer seasons. A nice auto with a "manual mode" will suffice for me.

I get what you're saying though. When I am financially fit to have two cars, the fun car I take to the track will 100% be stick.

Back to the OT subject. If the FT86 comes with ONLY auto, it's going to cause global riot.

LOL, believe me, this car will have 2 choices of transmissions like most sportcars out there.

The only place most cars will not have a manual option is in the US. Most of the cars in the states that are auto only have manual options in every other country in the world. This is just what I have seen, may not be 100% accurate, but many people in the states have become too lazy to even consider using a stick shift. :mad0260:

100% what I think

:word:

Twin or auto clutches are moderately acceptable performance-wise. My point is more along the lines that "If you need THIS car to be an automatic, and commuting is going to be its primary role in life (to the point that it affects your transmission choice, seriously...) then why get it? There are better commuting alternatives. Cheap, fun, sporty :rolleyes: can be filled by the Scion tC by those that feel they need an auto. They won't be realizing the difference...

Along those lines, was there an automatic S2000? No. People that wanted a sporty Honda had other options. Same here. Part of the automatic issue, is that if people don't bother to learn stick, can they be trusted with a a dynamic RWD car? Chances are if they can't be bothered to learn stick, they can't be trusted with a responsive car that handles the limit quite differently than the typical appliance.

That means either stick only (S2000) or aggressive traction and stability control and possibly 'safe' suspension geometry.

And in the interest of full disclosure my daily is an automatic AWD Legacy. However my Supra has been over time been 'purified', ABS and power-steering are gone. Traction control is my foot.

The FT-86 will follow a similar progression to purity. It will start off stock, and as time goes, get closer and closer to its natural enlightened state. But it's better to start closer to the final goal than further.

You speak great sense. I'll speak only for myself on this. There are a bunch of great small commuter, every-day cars out there. But if I were to buy a new car, it would be an upgrade from my GTI MK5, which is a superb commuter car with the perfect dosage of fun and sportiness, so the new car would have to be better than the VW, the around the same $$$ and look slick. It's a lot to ask for and there aren't a whole lot of options. Hell, I don't even need to buy a new car. Just looking around really.

Hyundai Genesis Coupe is on my "interest-list" and it's pretty much alone there. Don't like the Mustang's interior and the Camaro is....you can't see out of it and the steering wheel actually hurts your hands....

The FT-86, once we learn the real specs and stuff, might be exactly what I'm looking for. If it's way too much of a purist car then that's ok I'll move on.

BUT...if the FT-86 is exactly what I want but only comes with a manual, I'll be happy with the manual. It'll take more than the transmission choices to make of break the deal for me.

Your last point is exactly what everyone hates about all new Ferrari's and other exotics only having automanuals and having to see so many of them wrecked and killed young (it's the cars I'm sympathizing for. The driver shouldn't have learned to drive fast with their checkbook.)

That sounds like an amazing machine you got there. Just as I said before though, for me I really only have room/money for one car. I'll have to make smart compromises until the big bucks come in hahaha.

If you can afford to get one car and have enthusiast blood run through you, get a manual tranny. I start to regret that I got my IS in AT, because AWD or not, my car slide like hell on snow surface. (she wears summer shoes. LOL)

lol yeah, summer tires tend to do that in snow.

I've been thinking similarly about buying a manual next. I like my DSG though. I'll be in gridlock traffic and think "thank god I have an auto." plus when the roads open up I can use the paddle-shifters and "manual mode", the gear-changes on this DSG are PERFECT.

But then I'm also like "these paddle-shifters..ehh..I don't feel cool."

decisions decisions. Pretty sure the 86 won't have a dual-clutch though so who knows.