What little things you want to see
 

Everybody is all concerned about the big stuff still, since we don't know any of it, so maybe this is premature, but the everyday details can really make or break a car. With that said, what "little things" would you like to see on the production version of this car?

My list of do want:

- one touch up and down windows
- fold flat rear seats
- SD card slot linked to the sound system for easy audio so I don't have to put my zune in a cup holder
- FULLY defeatable traction/stability controls
- interior map lights using red light (allows you to see stuff in the car at night without turning on the overhead lights, and preserves your night vision)
- REAR WIPER
- no, seriously. Rear wiper
- sequencial rear turn signals of some sort (one of the coolest exterior features of the 2010+ mustang)
- Rear window defroster that WORKS. Japanese cars tend to be a bit weak in this area in my experience
- if it gets a turbo, a boost gauge
- a nice fat steering wheel with a flat bottom
- optional recaros
- readouts for fuel economy (instant and average)
- ability to get a loaded model without navigation
- cloth upholstry that doesn't look like crap
- ecu tuning which does not hold onto revs (this is used to lower emissions in modern cars but it's hellishly annoying for rev matching and hurts the sound of the engine....if it must be included, please give me a "sport" button with more aggressive throttle calibration which eliminates it)

Ok that's everything I could think of off the top of my head that is reasonably easy to implement and would t send costs soaring. What'd I miss?

Bah, I forgot. A Toyota version of the 370z's synchro rev match would be awesome, as that system truly works wonders.

Wouldn't you rather have a USB port in the glovebox or center console so you could play and charge your Zune while having it hidden? Personally, I would. I probably wouldn't even touch it except to add more music then!

I started the threat about Synchro Rev here. Statistically, majority don't want it.

As I remember, there was a report from Lexusclub saying that Toyota will have it own version media device connection or whatever it is like Ford's Sync. Toyota claimed that it will be better than Sync.

And No, I think they should have rear light set up like Lexus IS-F and LS460 (LED light).

And ability to get a load model without nav is making it's a Scion which is what majority of people don't want.

Based on my observation, Toyota cars will get a hard and cheap plastic for interior (hope they improve the quality).

FT-86 will get flat bottom steering wheel. You just look at tC, CT200h and LFA. Those new models come with flat bottom.

SD slot? seriously? It's a sport car, not an laptop. Get aftermarket player.

All I want is, Toyota should have a OEM part buy back program because there will be a lot of parts with be replaced. LOL

Responses in blue ;) We've obviously got really different priorities when it comes to cars though, since I disagreed with almost all of your points lol :bonk:

No, definitely not, for the exact reason you just said. I use my Zune ALL the time, for working out, listening to music AT work, etc. Having to keep hooking it up and unhooking it and taking it outta my gym bag and just messing about with it means that it's NOT going to just sit in my car. But the SD card can. The only reason it ever comes out is to add music off my laptop. And it doesn't take up any space in a glove compartment or cup holder. Plus the stereo doesn't have to try to interface with the Zune or iPod that way (which with some systems can be VERY slow)

Power nothing
Cloth seats
Heat, AC, CD player the only comforts
No GPS
No Computer console thingy
LSD
Good ole-fashioned 6speed shifter. No computer aided B.S.
Oil-Pressure gauge. No dummy light BS.
No traction control on the car at all anyways, it doesn't belong, at all, ever, and ever, never, not here, fucking take that shit and shove it up your ass, no, I don't even want the holes cut into the firewall for the extra wiring if it were to be ever added or wanted to be added take it all and make it a suppository and then shove itu p your ass.

If I want gizmo's and comforts and stupid computers telling me that I can't slide around even though I explicitly turned off Traction Control, I'll get a car I don't care about.

You seem to be forgetting that most cars now don't use DIN-sized headunit slots, the player controls are usually built into the dash...

Having a eclipse/RSX/Celica style liftback option would make all the difference to me. I love the extra cargo space and utility it adds to my DD vehicle which the FT will be.

+100!

Unfortunately, all cars in the US will be required to have some stability control by 2012. As long as it's able to be defeated, I'm fine with it. I agree with oil pressure gauge, or at least an optional electronic display for it. A rev matching system would be cool if the pedals aren't properly placed for easy heel-toe, but it'd increase cost, so... proper pedal placement! Seats with good side bolstering!

I don't really care about infotainment systems in cars like this; if I had my way I'd go with a radio/navi delete option, especially with a high-revving boxer. Wipers and defrosters and crap like that can go in a cold weather package, I'd only be taking it out on nice days anyhow. I suppose a not-so-small thing I'd like would be a targa top. That won't happen, but I'm fine with it.

Really, if they make a true sports car, everything I'm personally looking for should fall into place.

Agree, but Toyota mentioned that they will have 5 safety features on EVERY TOYOTA VEHICLE, so I don't hold my hope up. But hey, if those assists are disabled, I'm satisfied.

The sequential tail lights are awesome ( have been around Ages ago then they stoped for whateve reason)
The concept shows USB slots next to the shifter, this would be fine, as you can get a USB to sd adapter, or simply stick a micro USB drive in there that won't protrude more than 10mm out

this are not deal breakers for me but I'd like to see them on my FT86

Entune kinda like the sync from ford, i was reading more about this on CES C.NET
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/04/c...lmost-w-video/

on/full off traction control

on/off ABS will be cool

real nice cloth bucket seats but comfortable w/ easy to remove rear seats

comfortable steering wheel 350 mm Diameter will do

4 piston calipers front, 2 piston calipers on rear

LSD

I agree with some of what's been said so far. It is 2011 now and a truly back to basics no frivolous stuff sports car... You're gonna need an older used one or a lotus. as for the traction control, some sort of traction control or electronic stability program either is required by law or will be soon. Iirc tire pressure sensors are required by the DOT on 2008 and up vehicles. Heck by 2015 backup cameras might be mandatory. The gov does it all in the name of safety because to the vast majority of people cars are only for getting from A-B and they want the car to take care of them so they don't have to become good drivers. As long as the t.c. has an off switch that really turns it off it's fine by me. Not the off switch you find in a dodge charger/challenger that gives you a light saying it's off but only tones it down a bit.

Oh and an LSD, if it doesn't have one that will be a huge let down. Even the base model should have one now a days.

- One touch up/down has been standard since like 1995 no?
- They'll fold down, maybe not flat
- Concept has USB ports for a flash drive, they'll likely go that route, as they can double to plug in portable audio devices.
- Probable
- Inconsequential
- Doesn't matter to me, but I hope that works out for you.
- Inconsequential, but likely
- If there is hatchback version, it'll have one, otherwise, not likely.
- See concept and new scion tC
- If they have to be optional, why not just go aftermarket?
- Probable.. most cars these days do this.
- Unlikely
- We can all wish
- What? you want an automatic??!?! WTF?

Anyway, the long and short of it is, none of these little things will stop you from buying the car. It'll make you curse and bitch at it, but you'll still love it. If not, it's not really the car you are looking for I think.

:word:

This car is for enthusiasts, by enthusiast. It just needs to be pretty enough for the posers to like it and keep up the sales. An automatic will probably have the feature anyway, so nothing missing on either side anyway.

erm... why are you interested in this car again?


Anyway, the long and short of it is, make it the right wieght, drive right, with enough power and keep it a good looking 6 speed coupe, almost no one on here will really care about much else than "how cheap can I get it for". Do they even still make cars without basic amenities?

I want them to make a stripped model and like more than 3 of them worldwide. It's amazing how hard it can be to convince a dealer that you really want a completely option free car. Then telling them you want it in a specific colour. Then convincing them to go and find one. And then finally convincing them to bring it in. (I spent 2 weeks helping my buddy buy a completely option free Civic in the colour he wanted. At the dealer every day, walking out, bringing in competitor ads, etc... As I understand it they have to split the sale with the dealer it comes from. And on a stripped car, that's not a whole lot of money to make.)

Even better would be a return to factory/dealer delete options like the old muscle cars did. Kind of like what was said about the buy-back, but they actually used to do it in the olden days...

Erm...I'll never own anything other than a manual. I hate automatics. Where are you getting this from?

I'm merely being realistic. This is gonna be a daily driver and a part time fun car. I'll probably auto-x it. Having driven the snot out of a 370z, I found the synchro rev match feature extremely useful in traffic. It allowed me to seamlessly downshift and match revs while wearing my combat boots (which make it impossible to heel/toe). Made for a nice smooth drive and let me use engine braking and save the breaks. Its still a full manual transmission, and the automatic throttle blip feature is completely defeatable.

I didnt mention any of this hardcore electronic free stuff because there is no chance in hell of it happening. Stability control and traction control are legally required now, along with airbags and seatbelts and crumple zones. You will not be getting a car without those things, period. I won't buy the car unless they're fully defeatable, but they WILL be included.

A decent stereo and some amenities that let me comfortably use the car every day are not a big deal and apart from speakers, none of it adds weight. Relax man, the car will be plenty fun.

If YOU are looking for a barely street legal car with no electronics and every aspect entirely focused on speed then I think YOU are looking at the wrong car. Unless you have the means to fully convert the thing yourself, and in that case you'd prolly be better off getting an older used vehicle and rebuilding it to your own specs ;)

Having neither driven a 370Z, nor having dainty coordinated feet, I am intrigued by the rev-matching that could be easily incorporated with the e-throttle.

Auto blips the throttle to the exact revs when you downshift. I've been driving a manual a long time but frankly the system works better than I ever could. And for purists, u can turn it off. It really is great

:laughabove: If you say so. Like I said, I want a car that's focused. Anything aside from the basics that most cars already come with (A/C, stereo, power windows, etc.) I don't really need. Entune is nice, but just a distraction IMO. I will admit that I like the USB ports on the concept.. I'd stick in a USB before I even think about burning a CD, but this car is supposed to be about DRIVING PLEASURE.. My Point still stands, these little things will not stop me from buying the car. As long as it looks good, drives right and comes in at the power/weight I'm looking for it's all good. If I'm enamored enough to get a second, perhaps turbo one for daily driver duties.. or the other way around, then I might begin to worry about that. We'll see how the garage looks at that time.

p.s. Why do you need to heel and toe downshift in traffic??!?

jeeeezzzzzzzz dammit, you sir do not have the right to tell people this car is not for them. You should not worry about people buying this car with an automatic transmission.

btw, where are you from?

You don't NEED to heel/toe in traffic but it can come in quite handy when you're trying to drive smoothly and stay off the brakes, which in turn really helps fuel economy, besides being absolutely great practice for doing it on a track day. If you can heel/toe in traffic, you can do it on an auto-x. It's just force of habit for me I guess....I use it as often as I can, both because it's smooth, saves on brakes, and I love that nice little throttle blip each shift. It's also quite useful in snowy/icy conditions when using the brakes can sometimes result in a loss of control.

I wasn't trying to imply that you SHOULD want a bunch of extras. As I said before, I'm being realistic. The car, being a modern toyota, is going to come with all manner of electronic goodies. Whether they offer a stripped down version, like Hyundai did with the 2.0T R Genesis Coupe, is entirely up to Toyota, and it sounds to me like that'd be the model for you. But they're also going to offer a nicely equipped version for a bit more cash. That's more my style, because I frankly cannot afford more than one good vehicle (not to mention the logistics of moving multiple vehicles across oceans and borders is an absolute nightmare).

This thread was only meant to be a "I'd really like if this came as an option or if the car were available with this feature" thread. Making certain things available as options in no way hurts the car's abilities so long as you can opt out of them, as people like you are more likely to do.

None of these things are "I will not buy the car unless" for me....they're just little things that I like. Well....except for having the traction and stability control be COMPLETELY defeatable. That's an absolute must for me. There's only three things I don't love about my current car (2010 GTI, manual). One...it drives the wrong wheels. Two, even when you turn off the DSC, the stability control will still step in if you push hard enough, and three...the "limited slip" is not a mechanical limited slip. It uses the front brakes to slow wheel spin on the inside tire during aggressive cornering, instead of an actual physical gear system. While it works wonderfully well, at least as well as a mechanical limited slip, the trade off is that it heats up the brakes extremely quickly, resulting in brake fade after only a few runs at an auto-x.

What I'd love..

great optional stereo (Bose, etc..)
heated leather NON POWER seats
black headliner
loaded car WITHOUT NAV, WITHOUT SUNROOF
tilt/telescope wheel
digital heads/up and controls very much like the concept (i love the S2K for this reason, everything is within reach)
defeatable traction/stability control
mechanical LSD


Here's to hoping!

Haha....basically the exact same list as me!

I'd also like the manual transmission to be very direct...a lot of toyota transmissions are rubbery feeling, which I know is mostly the linkage. I'm not usually a fan of aftermarket short throw shifters, as all they really do is increase effort by reducing the leverage of the shifter (making it shorter). It's not like you can really shift them any faster....your hand just moves a shorter distance at the cost of higher effort. So a nice snickety-snikt transmission from the factory would be nice.

And while I know a lot of people would consider it heresy, if they offered the car with a good dual-clutch transmission with paddle shifters, I'd have a hard time choosing between that and a traditional manual. It makes the car faster and they're actually very nice to operate. I'd be completely un-interested if it was a paddle shifter system linked to a traditional automatic...but the dual clutch transmissions are VERY nice. So long as it absolutely did NOT shift itself without me telling it to.

Wow. We agree on something. :thanks: I had just gotten into an discussion on another forum where someone was saying they H-T all the time in traffic...I just don't get it.

I don't know of a single car that has defeatable ABS and can't imagine any mfg making a street car with this feature--hell, Toyota didn't even fully defeat TCS in the tC.

Must haves (deal breakers):
6spd
Defeatable TCS

Would like as available options so I can elect not to get them:
Sun roof (or any other glass or non-metal solid roof)
Cruise control
Nav
Leather seats

Would like as available options so I can elect to get them:
LSD
Alcantara or cloth seats with a harness pass-through

Pretty much everything else (bigger brakes, suspension, gauges, wheel options) can be gotten easily in the after market.

Holy shit, the planets must have just all aligned :bellyroll:


lol. I'm sorry. Might have gotten a little carried away.

Why do you wanna know where I'm from?

The "little" thing I want most is a good old-fashioned throttle cable, none of this drive by wire stuff for me. Tried it and still drive a vehicle with it occasionally but still don't like it. If not, have the computer permit feathering, heel and toe, blips, whatever you wish to call it rather than interpreting these things as mistakes. When I hit the gas I want throttle, and I want it NOW.:burnrubber:

Matador, a sport button doesn't always mean an automatic. The CR-Zzz has three buttons on the 6spd version: Sport, Normal, and Eco. Besides controlling the electric throttle it also controls the electric steering weight/feel. Remember that there were rumors of Toyota trying to improve the FT-86's fuel economy. An Eco button is not out of the question.

And why don't you already share your location? If you are going to piss people off you need to reveal your location or you are violating US Federal internets law. You also need to provide your full name somewhere on the website... but anyway.


lawl, do they even make cars like that in the US? Quoted for epicness. ABS just pisses me off :mad0260:.

The only addition I'll make is regarding the differential. I'd prefer that the LSD be a clutch type since the replacement costs for new clutches are cheaper than a new torsen. But also offer a locking differential like the Auburn unit. I really feel that a locking differential would make a big difference for RWD car in bad weather. And having an electronic actuated locking differential would mean that it could be locked or unlocked for poor weather. That and it would be good for drag or drifting.

Yeah Torsens are nice up until they break, and they break a lot easier than clutch pack or viscous ones. I don't see a full locking unit happening, usually more of domestic thing... (I actually don't know anything about the performance ones, and only just a bit about the off road ones.) But this got me thinking about an E-diff like Ferrari uses, and Honda pioneered semi-inexpensively on the Prelude SH. Not really a small thing though...

The Auburn units were about as expensive as a limited slip $$$, but they are marketed to off-roaders. I'm not even mentioning the Ferrari E-diff. A mechanical LSD is considered small enough so I figured it was small enough for this topic.

And a hatchback would be my other small request. Coupes are just ugly IMHO. The back end needs to taper to the end of the vehicle. I actually thought that the rear bodywork on the prototype was to make a kammback like the Prius, Insight, EV1. Although I do admit that is pretty far fetched.

Honestly, the number one reason I do it is because it's just good practice. The more you do it, the smoother you get at it, and you establish some muscle memory, so when you have a track day, you're automatically doing it and not screwing it up when it counts.

I've done it so much that it's just a habit now *shrug*

You say you're worried that if they have options, it'll be difficult to find the car you want.

Never really understood that. You can just go into a dealership and say here is exactly what I want, and they can place an order and get that exact car. I've done it. You have to wait a few weeks for your vehicle, sure, but that's not a big deal. And when I did it, I didn't have any trouble still negotiating a fair price.

I totally get your desire for a hatchback, but coupes can still be made to taper like you prefer without it being a hatch. And hatches add weight.

+1 drive by wire sucks

Practice is one thing...but to say that H-T is "practical" is BS. Do I H-T on the street? Yes, but not on during the daily grind/commute/traffic driving. If you never drive on the track (which is 90% of car owners) you have no need to really H-T (and that is why Nissan's RevMatch is so popular--and it works really well, BTW).

Regarding options...all too often options are in "packages" and it's an all-or-nothing scenario (look at the R-Spec package of the Gen Coupe)...getting a car with only the options you want can be painful if not impossible, especially for a non-elite car manufacturer (Porsce, Ferrari and many other exotics take options/customization to extremes).

Yeah I know. That's why in my original post I said I really wanted Navigation to be it's own separate option. I want all the tech goodies EXCEPT that. ;)

But I've never run into a problem in terms of getting the car I want. The vehicle before my current car was ordered by the dealership and I waited 2 months, but got exactly what I wanted....it's now been donated to my sister, and is doing great for her. (A 2007 Suzuki SX4....no it wasn't fast, but honestly it was a GREAT little car, with a superb all wheel drive system, low weight, great fuel economy, and a suspension that was actually sporty enough to be genuinely fun, especially in winter!)

^But it's not a sport coupe that will quite probably be in very high demand is it?

Not always. There's nothing like a good DBC (S2000 anyone?), but just like how manufacturers can mess up shift linkage and create a rubbery feeling gearchange, the throttle cable linkage can be screwed up too. My dad's 330ZHP has drive by wire and while it lacks the feel of the S2000 (what car doesn't?), you can certainly heel-toe like a champ. It's not laggy. Its all about the programming.



I did some more thinking..

hatch liftback. the concept seems to have this, and the utility factor would go way up.
taut, direct, tactile steering feel. none of this overboosted shit.
i guess i could read up on this, but i really hope its easy to work on (easily accessible oil filter, drain plug, spark plugs, fuel filter, etc). i like to work on my cars and i hope this one is conducive to that
and yeah.. timing chain or belt?

^The concept has a trunk. There was a shot of it open at a car show. Hatch would be nice..