FT-86 / FR-S size dimensions compared to Genesis, Civic, Sction tC, etc
 

One thing i hate about most new cars is their size and how huge they all are, even sports cars. Look at the GTR that thing is is HUGE. Got me thinking to compare the size of the FT86 against its competing cars. Here's some stats

FT86:
Length: 163.78 inches / Width: 69.29 inches / Height: 48.19 inches / Wheelbase: 101.18 inches

AE86:
Length: 168.7 inches / Width: 64 inches / Height: 52.6 inches / Wheelbase: 94.5 inches / Weight: 2094

Genesis coupe:
Length: 182.3 inches / Width: 73.4 inches / Height: 54.5 / Wheelbase: 111 inches

370Z:
Length: 167.2 inches / Width: 72.8 inches / Height: 51.8 inches / Wheelbase: 100.4 inches / Weight: 3,359

Civic coupe:
Length: 175.5 inches / Width: 68.9 inches / Height: 55 inches / Wheelbase: 104.3 inches

Scion tC coupe:
Length: 174 inches / Width: 69.1 inches / Height: 55.7 inches / Wheelbase: 106.3 inches / Weight: 2905lbs (manual) - 2970 (auto)

S2000:
Length: 162.7 inches / Width: 68.9 inches / Height: 50 inches / Wheelbase: 94.5 inches
Weight: 2809lbs

CaymanS:
Length: 172.1 inches / Width: 70.9 inches / Height: 51.4 inches / Wheelbase: 95.1 inches
Weight: 2965lbs




Here's a comparison to the Honda S2000

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1255296097


Comaprison to impreza

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...2&d=1255296097

Civic Si

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...6&d=1255486918


Genesis Coupe

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...7&d=1255486918


370Z

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...8&d=1255486991

Mini Cooper

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...9&d=1255486991


AE86

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_OImsMElgaAU/S4...T-86-AE-86.gif

So basically the FT-86 is smaller in all dimensions than almost all its competitors which is promising for me as a sports car lover. I especially love the height dimension... not only is center of gravity going to be low but it just looks so much better.

Hoping that it doesn't grow in production form and toyota stays true to making it a smaller tossable 21st century AE86

Hah when I read this I immediately thought of this photo. Man I miss the 80-90's japanese sports cars!



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I just hope Toyota stick to their word and keep it light weight when it arrives. Cause I don't expect big power being the selling point for this car.

The GTR is rediculous, its basicly a japanese Camaro or Mustang. This car will bring back what a SPORTS car is supposed to be.

I think the Honda S2000 & Porsche Cayman S should be thrown in for good measure:

FT86:
Length: 163.78 inches / Width: 69.29 inches / Height: 48.19 inches / Wheelbase: 101.18 inches
Weight: ???

AP1:
Length: 162.7 inches / Width: 68.9 inches / Height: 50 inches / Wheelbase: 94.5 inches
Weight: 2809lbs

987c:
Length: 172.1 inches / Width: 70.9 inches / Height: 51.4 inches / Wheelbase: 95.1 inches
Weight: 2965lbs

So I'm obsessed with the size of the car and searched around and found these comparison images.

Here's a comparison to the Honda S2000

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Comaprison to impreza

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Love how it's small almost like the size of the s2000. I always wished there was an S2000 coupe version.

A further point of note:

The 370Z puts down (whp) ~280 in 6MT and ~265 in 7AT trim and weighs in around 3300 lbs. That means 1 whp for every 11.79 / 12.45 lb or so of car.

If the FT-86 weighs in around 2600 lbs (quite likely based on all their earlier claims) it will need to make ~220.5 / ~209 whp to have the same performance capability.

That will probably require a blower or turbo (I'd be surprised if the FT-86 even makes that much power to the crank), but if Toyota keeps the price a good 10 grand less than the 370Z and either offers a factory option or a stout enough motor, it should be easy to turn the new car into a very quick little monster, and still cost less than a Z.

Not to mention better fuel efficiency.

Argh... Toyota needs to release more info already...

I really don't think you're going to find the FT-86 to be turbo in stock form, although we can all hope!

If it does not come FI'd from the factory, I'm sure we can count on the aftermarket to supply that rather quickly.

With variable valve timing and direct injection along with reworked internals by Toyota, the engine should be able crank out at least 200 hp. In Japan, the EJ20 DOHC with AVCS was able to push out 190 hp so I can't see why the boxer in the FT can't do the same.

The only real problem might be cost but with all this sharing going on I hope that Toyota has been able to save some money which in turn could help us.

That's a good point of comparison but in my opinion its not all about the power/weight ratio. Yea that's good for acceleration, but a better power/weight ratio doesn't necessarily mean better handling or dynamics. A significantly lighter car even with worse power/weight may still handle much better and just feel better to the driver.

Of course I'd love to see a powerful motor in this thing but I wouldn't be disappointed with a great handling car that may not go as fast in the 1/4 mile.

I'm not too worried about power to weight because it will only be a matter of time before aftermarket gets a hold of it and motor swaps become available (2JZ-GTE) :)

Do you have a link with a dyno/more info for that? I've been trying to gather as much info as possible on what the EJ20 is capable of and what its limits appear to be.

I only mention that because the 370Z seems to be prettly well liked for it's handling, despite being a bit on the heavy side -- all the reviews put the 370 head and shoulders abouve the 350.

http://www.autozine.org/Archive/Suba...gacy_2003.html.

When it was first introduced the engine was capable of 190 bhp.

^^^ Ah, cool -- thanks!

The FT, is being compared with a Cayman S? I know this isn't a HP comparison, but a Cayman was compared, and not the 370Z?

Heh yea how'd that get left off the list?

Heres the 370z dimensions

Length: 167.2 inches / Width: 72.8 inches / Height: 51.8 inches / Wheelbase: 100.4 inches / Weight: 3,359

Ahh that's pure candy for my eyes!!! This concept is only just a bit longer than the s2000 it looks like and isn't much taller. Even its rake is just like the s2000's which I've always liked. Perfect!

Bingo. Guess why I'm interested in this car :D Lets just hope it drives as well as an s2000 ;) The size is right so next thing they can do is make it a similar weight ~2800 lbs

AE86 :

Length: 168.7 inches / Width: 64 inches / Height: 52.6 inches / Wheelbase: 94.5 inches / Weight: 2094

Weight for

Genesis coupe 2.0T: 3,294 - 3362 lbs
3.8: 3389 - 3397 lbs

Scion TC: 2905 lbs (man)/2970 (auto)

I'm not really sure if Cayman s should be compared... that car is in another price bracket heh.

20 to 50 there is no compar..

cayman is a cayman...

Actually, it should be lighter. The S2K almost definitely has a lot of additonal chassis bracing because it's a convertable -- those are almost always heavier than their hard top counterparts.

Given that their dimensions are otherwise almost identical, I'd say we can expect the FT-86 will weigh between 2600 and 2700 lbs.

Holy crap! That picture almost makes the GTR look like a bus. That image really puts things into perspective. Cars these days are really bulky.

2 more comparison pics.

Civic Si

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Genesis Coupe

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370Z

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Mini Cooper

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I guess its safe to say that the FT is about the same size as a S2000 or 370Z, which is great considering they are both just about the perfect size. The Genesis is a boat in comparison.

I included the Civic and the Mini because I own each and an FT will hopefully replace the Civic in the future.

I'd say that's wishful thinking. With the ever increasing amount of government mandated safety regulations, I can't see any new car coming to market that will seat 4 people weigh anything less than 2800 lbs.

I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

Updated first post of thread with all comparison images. Keep 'em coming.

Nice comparison pics. The impreza looks huge when compared to the ft-86.

Mini Cooper S weighs just over 2600lbs and its packed full of safety features and sits 4 people.

The comparo next to the Mini is the best one, this sucker is going to be small :D

So this thing is almost as short as a Mini and with a lower roofline. Its gonna handle like a beast!!

Here's BMW 135i dimensions

135i :
Length: 172.20 inches / Width: 68.80 inches / Height: 55.4 inches / Wheelbase: 104.7 inches / Weight: 3340lbs

for those wondering how capable the motor is, here's link to the Impreza STI NA concept

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1416349

^that motor is supposedly up to about 200hp and about 140+lbs/ft of tq... with DI i would expect it to be even more powerful than that and more fuel efficient

Yep that motor is very capable. Wouldn't be surprised to see it break 200hp. what is the redline on that engine?

Id be happy with 200hp, but more importantly Id like to see close to 200lbs of torque. Hopefully with Toyota's D4-S direct injection technology those numbers might just happen.

I thought those engines were more balanced in terms of torque and power output -- I hope they can get more torque for the FT-86...

Here's an animated comparison image with an S2000

^^^^ Neat animation, but it seems the scale is way off (see diameter of wheels).

Maybe the ft wheels are just bigger