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Jesse@JDLAutodesign 06-09-2015 07:18 PM

JDL Auto Design FR-S/BRZ LSX swap headers.
 
Theses beauties are going on a car here at the shop. We will also have a 2-1 Y pipe that will mate with existing catbacks. :D

https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...a5&oe=55F513F1

https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...9c&oe=56009825

https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b5&oe=55FF66E1

https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...0e&oe=56044FBA

gramicci101 06-09-2015 07:22 PM

Those are very pretty. I want to see pics once they're on the car, too.

Acree 06-09-2015 07:23 PM

Wha.... wow.

JDLAutoDesign 06-09-2015 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 2280956)
Those are very pretty. I want to see pics once they're on the car, too.

https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5630E01B

Acree 06-09-2015 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JDLAutoDesign (Post 2280971)

LOL that's insane. Gorgeous machine.

Jesse@JDLAutodesign 06-09-2015 07:38 PM

Theres a few things on this car that still need to be relocated and there will be heat shields for all the vital areas.

gramicci101 06-09-2015 07:39 PM

That is amazing.

Captain Snooze 06-09-2015 07:48 PM

Why isn't this post prefaced with NSFW? That is automotive porn.

AZFA20 06-10-2015 12:51 AM

Guess I should finally start a thread for this haha.......... to be continued

cdrazic93 06-10-2015 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AZFA20 (Post 2281321)
Guess I should finally start a thread for this haha.......... to be continued

Yay Vorshlags thread has competition now.

cdrazic93 06-10-2015 01:05 AM

My god those are the most beautiful exhaust manifolds ive ever seen. Period.

Spartarus 06-10-2015 10:01 AM

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Oh my.

Vroomin86 06-10-2015 10:06 AM

I MUST......................

mkivalex 06-10-2015 11:19 AM

Will you guys be releasing a swap kit as well?

Calum 06-10-2015 11:46 AM

This thread is useless without video, especially sound. My god that must sound like a chorus of angels orgasming or something.

Basket Case 06-10-2015 01:01 PM

Stop making me consider savings for an lsx swap instead if a turbo kit and built short block...

cdrazic93 06-10-2015 04:30 PM

If i dont swap my engine out for an LSx, ill buy these anyway just to hang them on my wall.

Jesse@JDLAutodesign 06-10-2015 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Basket Case (Post 2281800)
Stop making me consider savings for an lsx swap instead if a turbo kit and built short block...

Hahah believe me, i just put my built motor in my personal car, hard finding motivation to finish it looking at this LS everyday!...But we do turbo kits too :thumbsup:

raven1231 06-10-2015 04:57 PM

But but but....it will throw off the balance of the car :(. Anything over 170whp is ruining the 86!

Slammedsteve 06-10-2015 05:28 PM

God damn those headers look amazing

AZFA20 06-10-2015 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Calum (Post 2281682)
This thread is useless without video, especially sound. My god that must sound like a chorus of angels orgasming or something.

Soon good sir...... soon. The angels will sing from their 8-fluted symphony.

As soon as I get her back in my shop, it should be a quick turn around to game time. Then shortly thereafter tear down begins for LSx phase 2 which again will be only a day or two turn around.

civicdrivr 06-12-2015 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdrazic93 (Post 2282147)
If i dont swap my engine out for an LSx, ill buy these anyway just to hang them on my wall.

Better idea:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...f5b4cc74b7.jpg

Captain Snooze 06-12-2015 10:45 PM

*raises hand*
What benefit is there to be gained using extractors on a cross-plane crank?

Fernan Andrade 06-13-2015 05:02 PM

Looks good but what is the price tag?

FirestormFRS 06-13-2015 06:15 PM

The price is the price. Those guys do exceptional work and are well paid for that very reason.

JDLAutoDesign 06-17-2015 08:13 PM

More progress

http://jdlautodesign.net/wp-content/...FT86-LSX_1.jpg

Sleepless 06-17-2015 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze (Post 2285380)
*raises hand*
What benefit is there to be gained using extractors on a cross-plane crank?

Cool looking for show!?

D K 06-17-2015 10:19 PM

Is there no room to go straight 'down' past the frame rail?

This is gonna bring a lot of heat to the engine compartment.

Streetthrowback 06-19-2015 09:22 AM

looks good

Raven604 06-19-2015 09:32 AM

How much 😦

shiro 06-19-2015 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JDLAutoDesign (Post 2280971)
**Picture removed**

My God! F$cking beautiful :D

cdrazic93 06-19-2015 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven604 (Post 2292724)
How much 😦

Your eternal servitude.

FirestormFRS 06-19-2015 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by D K (Post 2291129)
Is there no room to go straight 'down' past the frame rail?

This is gonna bring a lot of heat to the engine compartment.



I'm betting not considering they didn't do that......

Spartarus 06-19-2015 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FirestormFRS (Post 2292832)
I'm betting not considering they didn't do that......

Correct. There isn't room to run them anywhere else.... That said,
You can improve the room and run the collector much lower by removing the front crossmember and replacing it with a tubular unit... People have been doing it to Mustangs for years. I'm alarmed that ANY engine swap guys have kept the stock front crossmember - it's unnecessarily huge and in the way. It would be much easier to make a new crossmember with application-specific motor mounts than trying to make adapters for the stock mounting points, especially because the front crossmember just bolts on and off.

Example is a mustang front crossmember, the single picture is of the FRS front crossmember. Look at how much space you could open up if you replaced that... You could even delete the stock power brace and integrate it, and be left with a proper K-frame.

But look at me ranting. Anyway, anybody who's ever installed an overpipe knows how shit and oversized that stock crossmember is.

Jesse@JDLAutodesign 06-19-2015 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by D K (Post 2291129)
Is there no room to go straight 'down' past the frame rail?

This is gonna bring a lot of heat to the engine compartment.

It's super tight down by the steering rod.

We have heat shields for the fuse box, etc. I'm not too concerned with NA headers. Plenty of LS setups in other chassis with less room run twin turbos up top with manifolds, downpipes running right by/over the valve covers that produce much more heat. At this level of a build if you can't figure out simple heat management i'm not sure what to tell someone. :)

flippy 06-19-2015 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartarus (Post 2293061)
Correct. There isn't room to run them anywhere else.... That said,
You can improve the room and run the collector much lower by removing the front crossmember and replacing it with a tubular unit... People have been doing it to Mustangs for years. I'm alarmed that ANY engine swap guys have kept the stock front crossmember - it's unnecessarily huge and in the way. It would be much easier to make a new crossmember with application-specific motor mounts than trying to make adapters for the stock mounting points, especially because the front crossmember just bolts on and off.

Example is a mustang front crossmember, the single picture is of the FRS front crossmember. Look at how much space you could open up if you replaced that... You could even delete the stock power brace and integrate it, and be left with a proper K-frame.

But look at me ranting. Anyway, anybody who's ever installed an overpipe knows how shit and oversized that stock crossmember is.

Uhhh where do i get those red subframe crossmembers from?

AZFA20 06-19-2015 05:21 PM

The stock subframe really isn't in the way and working around it is quite frankly not that big of a problem for the LSx series. The idea behind the the design of these headers was essentially long tubes in a mid-tube size package. They turned out for lack of a better description....... perfect. Heat management isn't even a concern for me.

With stock LSx manifolds in there, there are gobs of room. A log style for a turbo setup would provide a lot of room as well. Even with these very well designed long tube hybrids there is a surprising amount of room in there still. The FA20 is giant width wise so it makes for a lot of room to play with.

Spartarus 06-20-2015 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AZFA20 (Post 2293318)
The stock subframe really isn't in the way and working around it is quite frankly not that big of a problem for the LSx series. The idea behind the the design of these headers was essentially long tubes in a mid-tube size package. They turned out for lack of a better description....... perfect. Heat management isn't even a concern for me.

With stock LSx manifolds in there, there are gobs of room. A log style for a turbo setup would provide a lot of room as well. Even with these very well designed long tube hybrids there is a surprising amount of room in there still. The FA20 is giant width wise so it makes for a lot of room to play with.

I thought most shops had been forced to use a front sump pan because of the subframe... Some had to cut material from the pan to fit it. Unless you have a custom oil pan...

Insight would be appreciated. Looking at swap options again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by flippy (Post 2293250)
Uhhh where do i get those red subframe crossmembers from?

Well, the red one is for a mustang, it was just an example. I was actually lamenting the fact that nobody makes a proper tubular crossmember or K-frame for this car. Numerous advantages, especially to engine swaps, but I don't want to thread-jack this thread to discuss them. There is just too much perfect here already.

#maverick# 06-20-2015 08:01 PM

Are those vband ends.

Manji 06-20-2015 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spartarus (Post 2293061)
It would be much easier to make a new crossmember with application-specific motor mounts than trying to make adapters for the stock mounting points, especially because the front crossmember just bolts on and off.

Disagree.

Cut OEM mounts off x-member. Then used Cusco FA20 mounts (because I already had them) rotated, and made new mounts from 1UZ to these, wasn't a lot of effort. Certainly a lot less than making a new crossmember would have taken.

Not saying that a new x-member wouldn't have been cool, but IMO it was unnecessary.


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