More proof of FT-86 Boxer engine appears in logo
 

The upcoming FT-86 has always been speculated with a Boxer engine, but Car and Driver has now uncovered even more proof -- this logo for the Toyota version.

The logo shows a cross section of a boxer engine, featuring one horizontally opposed piston on each side and a highly stylized number 86 inserted in the center where the crankshaft would be. It also gives an indication that Toyota is planning to use "86" in the production car’s name in some capacity.


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where did you find this picture, link please .

pretty creative logo imo, could use some color lol but nice

He did link the original article; it's on Car and Driver.

At first, I was like "WTH is that?", then I went like "Eight-Six?". This Logo looks badass, hope the report and the logo are true.

So am I the only one surprised to hear this part of the article more than that emblem?

Where they got that info... or am I the only one that didn't know that?

Well this sucks...:(

Am I the only one that sees the Nazi SS symbol?

yeah this is the first i heard of this as well. how are they gonna pull this off and meet the target price?

Lol...it looks weird to me too.

Could be in the model designation and not necessarily the name. Either way, I think it looks badass.

Doubt it will be in the name in the U.S., after all it is going to be a Scion.

In which case the only proper name would be be Scion aE.

Love the logo though.

Isn't aluminum cheaper than steel??

:bellyroll: No.

No and also it's hung on steel structure so it's gonna be hard. Can't really connect steel & aluminum. Gotta have special tool to do that. Which equal to more money.

But gotta say if they really do aluminum, I'll be really happy... but prob cry when I see the price tag.

I'm normally throwing the 'worst case' version of these rumours out there, but let's change things up...

If they are only doing hood, front fenders, doors, trunk, and roof panel it's not a big deal from a technical point of view to install them (think carbon-fiber aftermarket parts).

Secondly, even though the cost may be a bit higher, Toyota may be ramping up aluminum components across its line to improve economy/green-ness. Economies of scale could come into effect if this is going to become 'standard' for all or most new Toyota designs.

(Logo is 'meh'. Boxing pistons is ok, but the font for the 86 is a bit cheesy. Kind of like the Mk4's Supra logo, it'll date the car after a while.)

I'd pay $1,000 more dollars for an aluminum body, but not much more than that. It would only save about 100 lbs.

100 lbs is nothing to sneeze at.

But one drawback would be if you were going to be super-hardcore and go all carbon for the things I mentioned, it would be better off to start with steel components. With aluminum you are paying for it at the beginning, then you are paying for the carbon ($$$$$ if you being super-duper-hardcore and are going for a pre-preg dry carbon) and not getting the same weight-loss to dollar value, since the aluminum bits are already reasonably light.

But I'll take the aluminum thank you very much Toyota.

to me that sounds like a steel spaceframe with a aluminium skin, meaning the aluminium will do little to nothing in respect to strength, and is only there to save weight on pannels

I can't see it being any more than a conventional steel unibody with any component that is bolted or bonded on being replaced with aluminum. Like I mentioned before, hood, trunk, front fenders and roof panel.

That being said, I saw an add for the current Miata that said they had a new technique that could spot weld steel and aluminum together.

Mitsubishi have done it since EVO9 MR (roof part)

The difference in weight from steel to aluminum is much greater than the difference in weight in aluminum to carbon fiber.

Totally agreed. What's wrong with the Supra logo though? I think it looks awesome.


+1.

The hit from Aluminum has to be taken somewhere. Aluminum is expensive to refine, because of high electricity production prices (due to high fuel prices). Fuel prices are high because of OPEC and the generally high demand-perceived availability ratio of fuel. To get lower fuel consumption, it is essential to lower the weight of automobiles. To lower the weight, Aluminum must be used in certain points of the structure. It's a total catch 22 situation, that cannot be solved (barring an extreme solution like mass production CF or Nuclear Powered Aluminum refineries) without taking an economic hit at some point in the circle. My $0.02

Some pple on other forums have said that it resembles a swastika :iono:


Interestingly enough, the section of the German penal code outlawing the display of the swastika for any other reason other than educational purposes is;

Strafgesetzbuch section 86a.

lol Coincidence much?

Meh. Just another reason to dump the font on the symbol. Otherwise it'd be fine. But they should advertise the fact it has boxer engine.

Hopefully the production car gets a RWD tag like AWD vehicles. It's a premium option now might as well advertise it right? :iono:

My guess is that it will be Aluminum Hood, front fenders, doors, roof panel, and trunk lid.

$50 says the rear-quarters are slim as hell steel.

It does up the price a bit, but not nearly enough that we'll be hurting our pockets over it. Besides, its worth it for the weight savings alone.

And the doors BETTER be Aluminum. Anyone who has EVER owned a Toyota coupe with steel doors will know why....

Where did CD find this sketch???

The link is to their blog -- not really a full article.

Not calling bullshit, mind you, just wondering where they got this from...

Aluminum = no rusty panels. Considering that my old 86 was more rust than steel, I fully support this idea.

Aluminum can be made from recycled material like pop cans, scrap aluminum, etc, which is far less expensive and energy intensive than creating new aluminum.

• Aluminum beverage cans are getting lighter. Twenty years ago, a pound of aluminum made about twenty cans. Today, the same amount of aluminum makes approximately thirty cans. The thickness of the side of an aluminum can is about the same as that of a human hair.

I full well know that. Are you familiar with a concept called supply and demand?

No supply and demand, but a pound of aluminum is going to cost at least 30 cans = $1.50.


Aluminum Recycling Prices / How does aluminum breakdown?

Here is a list of the current prices of various kinds of scrap aluminum.

Old Mixed Aluminum 0.29 0.38 lbs USD
Utensil Aluminum 0.37 0.49 lbs USD
Aluminum Turnings 0.14 0.27 lbs USD
Aluminum Extrusions 0.89 1.04 lbs USD
Low Copper Aluminum 0.87 1.02 lbs USD
Litho Sheets 0.86 1.01 lbs USD
Cast Aluminum 0.83 0.98 lbs USD
Clean Painted Aluminum 0.22 0.44 lbs USD
Painted Aluminum Insulated 0.08 0.16 lbs USD
Coated Aluminum 0.38 0.76 lbs USD
Used Beverage Cans (UBC loose) 0.28 0.55 lbs USD
Shredded UBC 0.67 0.82 lbs USD
Baled UBC 0.70 0.85 lbs USD
Briquetted UBC 0.72 0.87 lbs USD
New Beverage Can Stock 0.78 0.93 lbs USD
Remelt Aluminum Ingot 0.60 0.75 lbs USD
Remelt Aluminum Sows 0.64 0.79 lbs USD
Mixed Irony Aluminum 0.14 0.27 lbs USD
Low Grade Irony Aluminum 0.04 0.11 lbs USD
Auto Transmissions 0.12 0.24 lbs USD
Aluminum Auto Rads 0.21 0.35 lbs USD
Insulated Aluminum Wire 0.28 0.55 lbs USD
Supported Aluminum Cable 0.32 0.63 lbs USD
Bare Aluminum Wire 0.83 0.98 lbs USD
Aluminum Auto Wheels 0.56 0.76 lbs USD
Aluminum Nodules 1.00 1.20 lbs USD
Alumifoil 0.33 0.65 lbs USD
Paperbacked Alumifoil 0.03 0.11 lbs


One of the most common statistics stated about aluminum recycling is that Americans throw away enough aluminum every three months to rebuild the entire national commercial air fleet.

Um, what are those numbers? Is that what the price per pound of scrap is?

Guessing so. I dunno if he is suggesting that automakers compete with Soda makers for recycled aluminum or that they set up their own recycling infrastructure, neither of which are feasible.

Well demand for Aluminum is at it's highest, the price of Aluminum is high, and the cost to process raw Aluminum is getting higher. The soda can theory fits because they still ain't paying much for soda cans. Somebody doesn't get it :bonk:.

And how did this get off the topic of the supposed new logo anyway? Somebody got on the subject of Aluminum that's how!