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DookDookDGM 06-15-2012 07:51 PM

Subaru of America BR-Z TechTalk Bulletin May 2012
 
My master technician dropped off the section of May's TechTalk bulletin from SOA for me while I was at work today. There's a couple odds and ends that might prove to be interesting and a few other things that might quell some fears or maybe even raise some concerns. I'm not near my scanner right now, so for now you'll have to deal with me just re-typing everything.

BRZ REPLACEMENT ENGINE INFORMATION

In the event a replacement engine is required for a BRZ, be aware it will not include driver's side crush cover for the fuel injectors as shown in the photo. The left side cover will need to be changed over from the original engine or replaced with a new one if it cannot be reused. The right side cover is included with the replacement engine assembly.


BRZ FUEL INJECTION OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS

You may notice, or customers may question, various sounds that change in volume and character from the engine and direct injection fuel pump at idle. These may be described as "clicking" or "clacking" sounds or a similar description. The sounds described are most commonly noticed at idle during initial engine warm up.

Be aware that BRZ utilizes both port and direct fuel injection systems. These systems are operated in one of three modes: Port Injection Only, Direct Injection Only, and a combination of both together. The transition between these modes of operation will occur automatically based upon inputs to the ECM. As the injection mode changes, there will be associated changes in the volume and character of the sounds coming from the injection system. Upon initial cold start, both direct and port injection systems are functioning. Within a short time (roughly 60 seconds, dependent on many factors), the port injection turns off and only direct injection is active. As a result, there will be a normal increase in injector sound volume. Shortly after that, injection will change from direct only to port only. After additional time, the mode will change back to a combination of both direct and port injection. These mode changes will continue to occur as decided by the various ECM inputs and will vary under changing conditions. Similar actions will also occur during hot start depending upon catalyst temperatures and other factors. These sounds are most likely quite different from what you may have experienced with prior Subaru models and are not a source for concern.


BRZ MANUAL TRANSMISSION SOUNDS

You may notice, or customers may question, a "thump" or "thunk" sound intermittently when placing the new six-speed manual transmission into first or reverse while stopped. This is a characteristic of the transmission operation which occurs when any remaining input shaft rotation is brought to a quick stop by gear selection. If enough time is given for the shaft to stop turning on its own, then no thump will occur. No wear or damage is occurring as a result of this action. This sound may be more noticeable as the gear oil warms and gear selection is able to be accomplished with greater speed.








So this means that most of the noises I have heard so far are considered "normal" - intriguing.

mattles 06-15-2012 07:55 PM

I figured that all of the above was normal -- What I am more concerned about is the damn squeaking/chirping presumably coming from the drive belt tensioner pulley/device.

DookDookDGM 06-15-2012 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mattles (Post 260512)
I figured that all of the above was normal -- What I am more concerned about is the damn squeaking/chirping presumably coming from the drive belt tensioner pulley/device.


I hear that noise occasionally, too, at low RPM, mostly when shifting into 2nd. I dunno if it's actually the tensioner, but it sounds like tensioner chirping.

BigFatFlip 06-15-2012 08:00 PM

This is what I love about this forum. Collectively, we have all noticed, discussed and came up with conclusions with at least the last 2 issues. Its still nice to get some kinds of "official" statement on them though. Thanks!

Draco-REX 06-15-2012 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFatFlip (Post 260529)
This is what I love about this forum. Collectively, we have all noticed, discussed and came up with conclusions with at least the last 2 issues. Its still nice to get some kinds of "official" statement on them though. Thanks!

Thankfully we haven't needed to figure out the first one!

Jayde 06-16-2012 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattles (Post 260512)
I figured that all of the above was normal -- What I am more concerned about is the damn squeaking/chirping presumably coming from the drive belt tensioner pulley/device.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DookDookDGM (Post 260515)
I hear that noise occasionally, too, at low RPM, mostly when shifting into 2nd. I dunno if it's actually the tensioner, but it sounds like tensioner chirping.

It sounds more like the injectors if you ask me.

Subaruwrxfan 06-16-2012 03:17 AM

I'm really curious as to why they're even mentioning replacing engines...it's almost as if they anticipate it, along with the other two complaints of the injectors and transmission.

Dadhawk 06-16-2012 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan (Post 261101)
I'm really curious as to why they're even mentioning replacing engines...it's almost as if they anticipate it, along with the other two complaints of the injectors and transmission.

I don't think there is anything unusual about this. The engines are mechanical devices and when you produce this many even a 99.9% success rate means you are going to have dozens of failures that need to be replaced for some reason.

stateless 06-16-2012 12:27 PM

You'd think in the age of ubiquitous video that car companies would simply release a short video/sound clip demonstrating normal operation sounds and any deviant sounds to be expected. Seems so much simpler than vague descriptions like "thunk" and "click", which could refer to a variety of different sounds.

OrbitalEllipses 06-16-2012 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 261355)
I don't think there is anything unusual about this. The engines are mechanical devices and when you produce this many even a 99.9% success rate means you are going to have dozens of failures that need to be replaced for some reason.

Let's not even talk about hard drives; 10% DOA rate is industry STANDARD. MTTF and MTBF...yeah, I doubt the engines in these cars are near 99%, but they won't be in anything except a boutique supercar.

Mr.Jay 06-16-2012 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan (Post 261101)
I'm really curious as to why they're even mentioning replacing engines...it's almost as if they anticipate it, along with the other two complaints of the injectors and transmission.

I would guess it is because the replacement engine will not look like as orders and rather than wait for someone to need a engine and deal with it then they sent out the information right away.

#87 06-16-2012 09:52 PM

No mention of the rear driver side side clunk. Can you relay that some owners are experiencing this?

#87 06-16-2012 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan (Post 261101)
I'm really curious as to why they're even mentioning replacing engines...it's almost as if they anticipate it, along with the other two complaints of the injectors and transmission.

MT -> Sport Car -> Youthful audience -> aggressive driving -> mis shift -> BOOM

Tainen 06-17-2012 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 261759)
Let's not even talk about hard drives; 10% DOA rate is industry STANDARD. MTTF and MTBF...yeah, I doubt the engines in these cars are near 99%, but they won't be in anything except a boutique supercar.

Holy crap, where do you guys buy hard drives? My DOA rates are less than .1%... Now mean time to failure might not be met by as much as 2 or 3 percent, but... 10? Man, I'd drop that company like a hot potato.

blu_ 06-17-2012 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayde (Post 260883)
It sounds more like the injectors if you ask me.

They actually specifically mention the high pressure fuel pump in the engine bay. I would bet money that is what is "chirping"

Jayde 06-17-2012 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blu_ (Post 262284)
They actually specifically mention the high pressure fuel pump in the engine bay. I would bet money that is what is "chirping"

It probably is, but every time I hear it I want to die a little bit on the inside... :( It sounds so bad.

blu_ 06-17-2012 01:21 AM

The first few days I noticed it, right after I got my car, I felt the same way. It was the top of my list of complaints. I really don't even notice it anymore though.

OrbitalEllipses 06-17-2012 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tainen (Post 262281)
Holy crap, where do you guys buy hard drives? My DOA rates are less than .1%... Now mean time to failure might not be met by as much as 2 or 3 percent, but... 10? Man, I'd drop that company like a hot potato.

It was early in the day. Mixed up RAM and HDD. :( Regardless, RAM industry standard is 10% DOA, but I haven't seen a stick of RAM fail in years. Unless someone did something to it.

Thongpocket 06-17-2012 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DookDookDGM (Post 260504)

BRZ MANUAL TRANSMISSION SOUNDS

You may notice, or customers may question, a "thump" or "thunk" sound intermittently when placing the new six-speed manual transmission into first or reverse while stopped. This is a characteristic of the transmission operation which occurs when any remaining input shaft rotation is brought to a quick stop by gear selection. If enough time is given for the shaft to stop turning on its own, then no thump will occur. No wear or damage is occurring as a result of this action. This sound may be more noticeable as the gear oil warms and gear selection is able to be accomplished with greater speed.








So this means that most of the noises I have heard so far are considered "normal" - intriguing.


Thanks for this. I was curious about that thud. LOL.

Enemies 06-17-2012 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 262363)
It was early in the day. Mixed up RAM and HDD. :( Regardless, RAM industry standard is 10% DOA, but I haven't seen a stick of RAM fail in years. Unless someone did something to it.

Man, I used to buy stuff from OCZ. Those days are gone. So much memory from OCZ and some of their power supplies bit the dust on me.

They remind me of IBM Hard Drives. Man, I had so many of those drives fail on me.

Been buying GSkill Memory recently. That and Western Digital Hard Drives and I've been keeping my sanity because I haven't had to RMA any.

DookDookDGM 06-17-2012 11:14 AM

Here are the real prints of the bulletin..

http://www.dumpyourphoto.com/files4/119225/JOoha1.jpg

http://www.dumpyourphoto.com/files4/119226/c8BLpy45.jpg

Julio86 06-24-2012 08:22 PM

this is my main concern. The high pitched chirp. It doesn't sound normal. This is an FRS btw. http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...s/fefb7143.mp4


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Symbiont 06-24-2012 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio86 (Post 276285)
this is my main concern. The high pitched chirp. It doesn't sound normal. This is an FRS btw. http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...s/fefb7143.mp4


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Sounds like a belt or pulley, to me.

Doesn't happen on my BRZ.

Lighting Red 06-25-2012 12:12 AM

This is the type of information that should be a sticky on the forum. Some of us know what Subaru power plants are, "supposed," to sound like (I fall into this camp). Some of us are completely unaware of the idosnycrasies with Subaru engines. All of us are unfamiliar with this new FA20 and associated drivetrain. Whether we think we know what the engine is supposed to sound like or not.

We are going to hear clicks, whurrs, thumps, and buzzes that will be unknown to us. I for one noticed the transmission thump back when I drove the DGM pre-production car. I wasn't sure if what I heard/felt was okay or not. As it turns out, the car was making normal noises. Go figure.

I would like to see more documentation like this. Much thanks to the OP for the data.

DookDookDGM 06-25-2012 12:16 AM

Not a problem. Thanks for reading :)

I'll post bulletins as I get them. Thankfully it's a 2 minute walk from my building to the Subaru building so it's no trouble delivering this information to you guys. ;)

Lighting Red 06-25-2012 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stateless (Post 261461)
You'd think in the age of ubiquitous video that car companies would simply release a short video/sound clip demonstrating normal operation sounds and any deviant sounds to be expected. Seems so much simpler than vague descriptions like "thunk" and "click", which could refer to a variety of different sounds.

This is actually a fantastic idea. Maybe some of us with the cars would do the forum the honor of providing said data. I would love to, but I kind of need... well, you know... a BRZ for it. Hell, if I knew somebody, I'd even go slumming with those FR-S guys for the video/audio data :D

By the way, DookDookDGM, you're a stand up kind'a feller :D

Dimman 06-25-2012 12:58 AM

Hopefully they don't add 100lbs of sound deadening for next year's model...

BigFatFlip 06-25-2012 01:59 PM

Thanks for the scans! Although I was reading it for my BRZ, you unintentionally gave me some more info on my wife's 2012 Outback window issue, now I know it has a fix for it.


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