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Shiv@Openflash 05-05-2015 10:26 PM

PROcede ESC User Software!
 
Hi guys,
The user software for the PROcede ESC controller is now available for download. This software allow you to change ESC activation maps or to modify them yourself. We don't recommend modifying them unless you know what you are doing. But you can certainly try uploading the different off-the-shelf (OTS) ESC maps we have available. I'll outline the whole process here. It's really important that you follow these directions exactly

1) Download and extract (they are compressed when you download them) all three (3) files here: http://openflashtablet.com/Automotiv...ads/index.html

2) Open the USB driver folder and read the Read Me file carefully. Please follow those instructions exactly.

3) If you followed the Read Me file, you should be connected to your Procede. You can confirm this by looking at the bottom of the Procede Programmer screen. It should say "Procede connected" instead of "Procede Offline". If it does not say connected, re-check all your steps. And make sure that ignition is on the ON position. The ESC arming switch can be in the OFF position for now.

4) Select File, then Open and select either one of the two Off-the-shelf ESC maps (ESC GT86 Sport Throttle or ESC GT86 Standard Throttle) you downloaded in Step 1. Once you select and click on OK, you should see it count from 0 to 100%. Confirm that it reaches 100% and finishes. If it doesn't finish or gets stuck partial way, go to COMMS, and go offline and then online again. And then try to upload the map again. If you are unsure which map to select, try the Sport Throttle map first. It's my personal favorite. But feel free to test both in time.

5) Once the map is loaded, you will see something colorful like this:
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k4...screenshot.jpg

The X axis represents engine speed (RPM). And the Y axis represents throttle blade angle.

6) Go ahead and start your engine. When you start your engine, you should see a live RPM reading. If not, you didn't tap into the Crank signal wire correctly When you touch the throttle, the active yellow cell should move left to right. If not, you didn't tap into the Throttle sensor wire correctly

7) Assuming you are seeing a valid RPM and Throttle signal, you can now turn on the ESC arming switch. If you listen carefully with the hood open, you will hear a series of beeps. While you hear the beeps, the Phantom controller is initializing after being turned ON. This takes about 8 seconds. During this time, keep throttle movement to under 25% or else the system won't initialize properly. After that, you should be ready to drive!

ADDENDUM:
Here is an old video showing how to upload new Procede maps. Shown is an old version of the software specific for BMW use. So cosmetics are different but everything else the same.

https://youtu.be/qtAEJTHs7Qk

dpgfunk 05-05-2015 10:51 PM

Cool

swarb 05-05-2015 11:42 PM

Hot

l0aded 05-06-2015 12:33 AM

Anyone try this on Windows 10? Only have one laptop =X

Any of the first batchers get it working yet?

Edit:
- Windows 10 does work.
- RPMs and load registered so looks like the taps are OK.
- Map is loaded.
- Need to check voltage on foot pedal switch at work tomorrow. Chances are the voltage is not going through.


Can someone confirm something for me? For Rev2 versions, the ESC should activate when the foot pedal aux cable is UNPLUGGED correct?

Sojhinn 05-06-2015 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2238726)
Anyone try this on Windows 10? Only have one laptop =X

Any of the first batchers get it working yet?

Edit:
- Windows 10 does work.
- RPMs and load registered so looks like the taps are OK.
- Map is loaded.
- Need to check voltage on foot pedal switch at work tomorrow. Chances are the voltage is not going through.


Can someone confirm something for me? For Rev2 versions, the ESC should activate when the foot pedal aux cable is UNPLUGGED correct?


It's possible the female stereo plug may not be soldered to the correct point. You need the tip of the male end to register the voltage changes. Double check which part of the female end is soldered to.


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l0aded 05-06-2015 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2239342)
It's possible the female stereo plug may not be soldered to the correct point. You need the tip of the male end to register the voltage changes. Double check which part of the female end is soldered to.


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Your suspicion is most likely correct. I tried to measure the signal with a voltmeter for the inside of the female plug and the same ground as the PROcede. Couldn't get anywhere near 1V moving the thing around. Since the plug goes into 1 wire into 1 pin I'm assuming the wires are crossed so it should have measured something anywhere inside.

Update: Ripped the insulation before the female side and took the voltage. It read between 0-5V depending on load (and probably RPM). Looks like a simple fix: going to cut off the 2.5mm female jack which is likely not connected properly and solder on a new 3.5mm jack fusing all 3 wires together since there is only one signal. It SHOULD work after that. Early adopting is painful while rewarding.

l0aded 05-06-2015 11:38 PM

Update:

Soldered on a new female 3.5mm connector. Plugged it in. Now there's a new problem shown here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oppuuaa5a3...83346.mp4?dl=0

When I first turn on the car it looks fine. After giving it gas though this starts to happen and just continues to reset over and over (blank, 35, 28, blank, etc etc). Any idea what's going on?

When I plug in the foot pedal switch it still works fine.

Sojhinn 05-06-2015 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2239927)
Update:

Soldered on a new female 3.5mm connector. Plugged it in. Now there's a new problem shown here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oppuuaa5a3...83346.mp4?dl=0

When I first turn on the car it looks fine. After giving it gas though this starts to happen and just continues to reset over and over (blank, 35, 28, blank, etc etc). Any idea what's going on?

When I plug in the foot pedal switch it still works fine.


Check your power tap. Did it cut the wire?


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l0aded 05-07-2015 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2239929)
Check your power tap. Did it cut the wire?


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I'll try squeezing it a bit more and see.

edit: Yeah power is fine. I'll get a voltmeter tomorrow and check all the connections again. Can someone help me understand what's happening on the foot pedal aux cable? Right now the way it is hooked up all 3 wires are receiving the same 0-5V signal from the PROcede, is this how it is supposed to be? Is there no ground here?


update: Don't know if anyone is working on their install or has finished but for those still debugging and are at this stage do NOT solder the female side connections together. After speaking with Rob, only the GREY wire (tip of the TPS aux connector) should be receiving the 0-5V. This might explain why my controller was resetting itself. Now I need to resolder a new female connector with just the tip (Grey wire) connector in contact with the PROcede. Hopefully the PROcede has not been damaged by this.

Sojhinn 05-07-2015 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2240082)
I'll try squeezing it a bit more and see.

edit: Yeah power is fine. I'll get a voltmeter tomorrow and check all the connections again. Can someone help me understand what's happening on the foot pedal aux cable? Right now the way it is hooked up all 3 wires are receiving the same 0-5V signal from the PROcede, is this how it is supposed to be? Is there no ground here?


update: Don't know if anyone is working on their install or has finished but for those still debugging and are at this stage do NOT solder the female side connections together. After speaking with Rob, only the GREY wire (tip of the TPS aux connector) should be receiving the 0-5V. This might explain why my controller was resetting itself. Now I need to resolder a new female connector with just the tip (Grey wire) connector in contact with the PROcede. Hopefully the PROcede has not been damaged by this.


Yeah I thought I said that... Maybe I wasn't clear?!? Is it all better?


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l0aded 05-07-2015 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2240797)
Yeah I thought I said that... Maybe I wasn't clear?!? Is it all better?


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Sorry my mistake, I didn't read it clearly. I'm going to solder a new connection in a bit.

When I solder it, are the other two connections not connected to anything? As in just cut them off.

Sojhinn 05-07-2015 06:34 PM

PROcede ESC User Software!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2240879)
Sorry my mistake, I didn't read it clearly. I'm going to solder a new connection in a bit.



When I solder it, are the other two connections not connected to anything? As in just cut them off.


When we were working on it at shivs we had to be careful about the soldering. Just double check that the wire you solder is for only the tip connection. (Voltage )


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l0aded 05-07-2015 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2240881)
When we were working on it at shivs we had to be careful about the soldering. Just double check that the wire you solder is for only the tip connection. (Voltage )


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I will. Going to test the connections before going in. I'm still confused about what to do with the Ring and Shield connections.

http://www.swamp.net.au/Articles/ima...-connector.jpg

If the tip goes to the PROcede, is it correct that the other 2 go to nothing and I should just cut them off on the female side going to the PROcede?

Sojhinn 05-07-2015 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2240886)
I will. Going to test the connections before going in. I'm still confused about what to do with the Ring and Shield connections.



http://www.swamp.net.au/Articles/ima...-connector.jpg



If the tip goes to the PROcede, is it correct that the other 2 go to nothing and I should just cut them off on the female side going to the PROcede?


Leave them there and don't do anything.


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l0aded 05-07-2015 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2240888)
Leave them there and don't do anything.


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http://i.imgur.com/HalCttN.png

This SHOULD work I believe. Black is tip. I cut away the exposted shield portion so it wouldnt catch by accident.

Sojhinn 05-07-2015 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2241075)
http://i.imgur.com/HalCttN.png



This SHOULD work I believe. Black is tip. I cut away the exposted shield portion so it wouldnt catch by accident.


Looks good to me.


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l0aded 05-08-2015 12:34 AM

It worked! Good thing too. I'd be completely out of ideas if this didn't work. I'm sure I need more than 1 minute to judge it but I'm not 100% sure I like it. I've only driven it around my neighborhood but I had clunky shifts because it was active (didn't let go of gas before hitting clutch) and it feels almost unpredictable. The boost kicking in at different times and intensities might take some getting used to. Also it feels like the first kickin is stronger than partial boost so it's like wildly fast at lower throttles than I'm used to. Again I'll likely get used to it and end up loving it or I might need to adjust the mapping to not be so aggressive.

Is the pre-loaded map the sport or regular map?

Sojhinn 05-08-2015 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2241297)
It worked! Good thing too. I'd be completely out of ideas if this didn't work. I'm sure I need more than 1 minute to judge it but I'm not 100% sure I like it. I've only driven it around my neighborhood but I had clunky shifts because it was active (didn't let go of gas before hitting clutch) and it feels almost unpredictable. The boost kicking in at different times and intensities might take some getting used to. Also it feels like the first kickin is stronger than partial boost so it's like wildly fast at lower throttles than I'm used to. Again I'll likely get used to it and end up loving it or I might need to adjust the mapping to not be so aggressive.

Is the pre-loaded map the sport or regular map?


Don't forget you can edit the map for the intensities. I would check to see how it drives tomorrow.


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l0aded 05-08-2015 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2241303)
Don't forget you can edit the map for the intensities. I would check to see how it drives tomorrow.


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Btw thanks again Sojhinn for all your help debugging the issues. You were pretty much right on every step of the away with the incorrect adapter and soldering points. I'm surprised by the lack of posts on this thread; if I ran into this many issues I'm sure other first batchers will too. Maybe no one has started yet?

DAEMANO 05-08-2015 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2241329)
Btw thanks again Sojhinn for all your help debugging the issues. You were pretty much right on every step of the away with the incorrect adapter and soldering points. I'm surprised by the lack of posts on this thread; if I ran into this many issues I'm sure other first batchers will too. Maybe no one has started yet?

Glad you got yours working. Mine goes in this weekend. Will post my impressions.

l0aded 05-08-2015 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2241333)
Glad you got yours working. Mine goes in this weekend. Will post my impressions.

If you run into any problems shoot me a text. I pretty much ran into all of them so yeah can probably be of assistance. Hopefully you don't have to solder but if you do and don't have the tools lmk.

Sojhinn 05-08-2015 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2241329)
Btw thanks again Sojhinn for all your help debugging the issues. You were pretty much right on every step of the away with the incorrect adapter and soldering points. I'm surprised by the lack of posts on this thread; if I ran into this many issues I'm sure other first batchers will too. Maybe no one has started yet?


No worries bro. Just trying to help! curious are you on e85?

I'm 90% happy with procede settings on e85. I want to tweak it. But I haven't gotten around to it. Maybe between you and I we can tweak it to meet our needs.


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l0aded 05-08-2015 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2241360)
No worries bro. Just trying to help! curious are you on e85?

I'm 90% happy with procede settings on e85. I want to tweak it. But I haven't gotten around to it. Maybe between you and I we can tweak it to meet our needs.

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Regular pump gas. Honestly I'll probably need to test it outside of residential areas. I'm assuming e85 is even more jerky? Maybe we should have maps uploaded on this thread so we can grow the options, the software looks fairly simple. I'll play with tunes after I have some more time with it.

edit: OK rain and PROcede don't mix well with stock tires. It rained pretty heavily last night and after 5 minutes of driving I realized it was pretty dangerous to drive with the ESC on so I had to turn it off. I was loosing grip at 40% throttle and 15 mph. Pretty much anytime the PROcede kicked the ESC on I would lose grip. Is the stock map supposed to have that much boost at such low throttles? I'm confused and worried I could have damaged the PROcede when the female aux cable was fused together but at the same time it is operating as it should. It just feels way too aggressive to the point of being undriveable in the rain, I'm wondering if the map accounts for the fact that the 86 has max throttle at 80%. I'll open up the mapping after work and try shuffling things around; probably invest in new tires too lol.

l0aded 05-08-2015 10:26 PM

OK now that the road is dry and I've had more time with it I can appreciate it a bit more. There are a few things I would like to note for those considering it or already have it. First is align your expectations. If you are thinking it will feel like a bigger NA engine it will not (at least for me), in fact linearity went completely out the door IMO. For example (made up #s), I can be driving at 35% throttle and I edge my foot a tiny bit and the boost kicks in just a little, then I edge my foot back to 35%. You can feel a clunk of the engine receiving that boost and then it turning off. You can also feel the various points of boost; I've never driven a turbo car for very long but I would imagine it is even less linear than that since the boost on the ESC can cut off 100% immediately.

The car is definitely fun to drive but it will take some getting used to. I would say it is even somewhat dangerous if you don't know what you are doing since you can be mid turn and suddenly you get a surge of power and you spin out. In the rain it made it almost impossible to drive without slipping. This is probably where better than stock tires would help exponentially but if you plan on drifting it would basically be impossible without turning it off since the PID controller will keep correcting and jumping around with your foot throttle. You also need to be aware of when you are lugging your engine too since the boost will do some wacky stuff if you try 38mph at 6th gear.

Some tweaking is definitely necessary and I would say it is a great product but the tune is not quite there. After more users have it or Shiv spends more time polishing the maps it could be great. I'm hoping the sport map is loaded by default and if it is I will try the standard map which looking at the mapping is more suited for DD.

edit: yeah it's sport mode by default. I think I'll enjoy standard much more. Going to report back later.

l0aded 05-09-2015 12:16 AM

I take back everything. Default map is sport which imo is terrible. Switch to standard map and you'll be good. Kicks in much later, ramp up is much more smooth. I see why people describe it as getting a bigger engine now.

Sojhinn 05-09-2015 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2242495)
I take back everything. Default map is sport which imo is terrible. Switch to standard map and you'll be good. Kicks in much later, ramp up is much more smooth. I see why people describe it as getting a bigger engine now.


Let me know what you think tomorrow.


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l0aded 05-09-2015 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2242561)
Let me know what you think tomorrow.


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Sorry for the hyper activity =p. The whole install process has been a mess and unfortunately I think it will be a mess for others but hopefully they can follow the story. I told Shiv yesterday that the aux cable plug can only be connected to the tip of the connector and he was unaware of this as the only car he installed one on was yours which was a mono plug. This probably means a lot of people will need to send the harness back which can be annoying if it's already installed and you can't check if it works without a voltmeter, or make their own connections. The 2.5mm plug that came with mine was not a normal TRS connection and was not soldered correctly at all which turned a 30 minute install to a 3 day one debugging issues left and right <_<.

Now that I've had at least 2 hours of drive time with the STANDARD map I can confidently say I did not waste my money. Most of my complaints with the SPORT map was addressed: slower ramp up rates, pushed back engagement point, etc. On the sport map you feel like you are going WOT at 60% which essentially takes out 40% of your throttle range and makes for a terrible drive. On the standard map you only have what feels like "partial boost" around 60% which is very controllable and won't clunk your engine when you shift or release the pedal suddenly. I would say it feels like a much upgraded v2 controller with partial boost coming on more naturally and ramping up to full throttle as you push down on the pedal. WOT Lag is mostly removed as this increase is more natural but you can still feel the engagement points slightly as you give it more gas. Linearity is still not as good as NA as to be expected and you do get surges of power. Concluding,
I would say my favorite thing about the PROcede is you forget about having to engage the ESC since the foot pedal is gone; I'm considering hiding the voltbox now so that I'm not constantly checking when it's kicking in. Oh and not having to go WOT to get the benefits is huge too.

IMO standard map should be standard... and there should be a disclaimer on the sports map as I legitimately feel it is borderline dangerous having that much boost at such low throttle. I'm excited to hear what everyone else thinks (about both maps) once they get it installed.

PantsDants 05-10-2015 04:27 AM

So I've got the Procede installed, figured I'd leave some notes here too:

- My harness also had the wrong plug soldered on, so I just bought a 3.5mm, soldered its tip wire to the harness, and covered the rest up.

- Most of my difficulty with the install was around getting the taps onto the wires on the ECU harness. I'm a fairly big dude and I had a really tough time contorting myself into the space down there under the glovebox. I honestly don't know how I would go about getting a soldering iron in there.

- The quick connect terminals do not want to stay in the taps at all. I shoved them in there the best I could and taped them to at least give them some semblance of connection strength. This is the part I'm the least confident about with the install; I'd definitely recommend figuring out some other way of making those connections.

- I ended up installing the Procede such that the USB port is accessible through the side panel that @Sojhinn has you remove in his video for more light. Basically, there's a ledge of sorts behind the dash that the unit can just rest on with a lip to prevent it from falling down. It's easy to reach in through the panel and maneuver the Procede to hook a laptop to it, all without having to remove your glovebox again.

- If you use the location I mentioned above for your install, there's a convenient lip to run your power wire along under where the glovebox goes; feel around, you'll figure it out.

- I agree with @l0aded: The standard mapping is the way to go.

07jazzrs5gt86 05-10-2015 11:44 AM

Any one with v1 kit have this install yet

Sojhinn 05-10-2015 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PantsDants (Post 2243474)
So I've got the Procede installed, figured I'd leave some notes here too:



- My harness also had the wrong plug soldered on, so I just bought a 3.5mm, soldered its tip wire to the harness, and covered the rest up.



- Most of my difficulty with the install was around getting the taps onto the wires on the ECU harness. I'm a fairly big dude and I had a really tough time contorting myself into the space down there under the glovebox. I honestly don't know how I would go about getting a soldering iron in there.



- The quick connect terminals do not want to stay in the taps at all. I shoved them in there the best I could and taped them to at least give them some semblance of connection strength. This is the part I'm the least confident about with the install; I'd definitely recommend figuring out some other way of making those connections.



- I ended up installing the Procede such that the USB port is accessible through the side panel that @Sojhinn has you remove in his video for more light. Basically, there's a ledge of sorts behind the dash that the unit can just rest on with a lip to prevent it from falling down. It's easy to reach in through the panel and maneuver the Procede to hook a laptop to it, all without having to remove your glovebox again.



- If you use the location I mentioned above for your install, there's a convenient lip to run your power wire along under where the glovebox goes; feel around, you'll figure it out.



- I agree with @l0aded: The standard mapping is the way to go.


93/91 or e85?


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PantsDants 05-10-2015 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2243592)
93/91 or e85?


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92, because Washington.

TM 05-10-2015 10:59 PM

Does the procede software run on windows XP? I switched to a mac and want to run the most lightweight Windows possible on it.

DAEMANO 05-10-2015 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TM (Post 2244007)
Does the procede software run on windows XP? I switched to a mac and want to run the most lightweight Windows possible on it.

Windows has gotten lighter, not heavier.

Windows 7's memory footprint is less than Windows XP and Windows 8.1 is less than Windows 7.

TM 05-10-2015 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2244026)
Windows has gotten lighter, not heavier.

Windows 7's memory footprint is less than Windows XP and Windows 8.1 is less than Windows 7.

By lightweight, I really meant to say by file size. I'm not too worried about memory since I'll only ever use it for openflash and procede. But my Macbook Air has a non-upgradable 128gb drive, and I already used up most of it...

I do have PCs I can access at home (in NY), but I'm currently living a minimalistic lifestyle in SF temporarily crashing on my cousin's couch.

DAEMANO 05-11-2015 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TM (Post 2244038)
By lightweight, I really meant to say by file size. I'm not too worried about memory since I'll only ever use it for openflash and procede. But my Macbook Air has a non-upgradable 128gb drive, and I already used up most of it...

I do have PCs I can access at home (in NY), but I'm currently living a minimalistic lifestyle in SF temporarily crashing on my cousin's couch.

Windows XP - 7GB
But needs something closer to 20GB for the pagefile. This is one of the places where XP is inefficient, but later versions (7,8 and 10 are more so) http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...4-0baf3ddd643e

Windows 7 - 9 GB
http://www.techtalkz.com/windows-7/5...-tutorial.html

Windows 8.1 32 bit - 6.6 GB
Windows 8.1 64 bit - 8.2 GB
http://www.softwareok.com/?seite=faq-Windows-8&faq=5

Best of luck!

l0aded 05-11-2015 04:28 AM

I say just go Windows 10 =p. Latest build 10074 has been great and it's about ready for release.

SimplePortal 05-11-2015 10:01 PM

Just receive the right size jack from Shiv, but I'm not sure how I'm suppose solder the wire to it. Is the inner metal part suppose to pop out somehow?

TM 05-11-2015 10:38 PM

I just picked up my procede from the post office. Just in time right before I leave nyc tomorrow. Going on a 7 hour bus ride to Rochester to pick up my car! Debating whether or not I should install the controller before my 3000 mile roadtrip.

My only concern is that, like others, I won't like the default sports map, and that I won't be able to load the standard map with my Mac. I have a trimmed down xp on it that only takes up 1.5gb of space. I downloaded the windows 8.1 trial and Parallel says it needs 20gb, which I don't have...


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l0aded 05-11-2015 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TM (Post 2245468)
I just picked up my procede from the post office. Just in time right before I leave nyc tomorrow. Going on a 7 hour bus ride to Rochester to pick up my car! Debating whether or not I should install the controller before my 3000 mile roadtrip.

My only concern is that, like others, I won't like the default sports map, and that I won't be able to load the standard map with my Mac. I have a trimmed down xp on it that only takes up 1.5gb of space. I downloaded the windows 8.1 trial and Parallel says it needs 20gb, which I don't have...


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I would highly recommend AGAINST a 3000 mile road trip on the sport map,

Stormalong 05-15-2015 11:03 AM

So I installed the Procede yesterday, but it doesn't seem to be working.

When I've got the software running, the yellow cell at the bottom left never moves, which indicates that the throttle tap isn't working. So I re-did the throttle tap, but it still doesn't work. What is confusing me is that there is a cyan cell that DOES move when I rev the engine. Also the numbers for "Throttle" and "Raw Throttle" in the top right panel do change when I rev the engine, which would suggest that the throttle tap is working.

Anyone have any insight here?


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