Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2219973)

Apple couldn't stop people from jailbreaking iphones.

No way in hell automakers are going to keep people from modifying cars.

Originally Posted by HunterGreene (Post 2220948)

Hey, I posted it first! I can't help that I posted it in the wrong section! :lol:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2220957)

Wasn't a criticism as this is sort of one of those topics that needs a little more coverage than it will get hidden in a tech thread. Just wanted people to know there was more discussion available.
Not like you were posting yet another "the new BRZ is confirmed" or "let's all talk about how beautiful or car is" thread!

Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2221335)

**In for the thread that doesn't suggest hanging people from trees.**
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Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2221335)

While I respect companies wanting to protect what they create, I really don't think laws like what's being proposed are going to stop anyone, all it will do in the end is make criminals out of the lot of us.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2221349)

Holy crap I should have reread that other thread before I linked it! A lot of shit went down last night.

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 2221369)

It may not stop everybody, but it will become much more difficult across the board and stop most people. If it's illegal to access or modify the ECU, then companies won't even try because that opens them up to liabilities. So there go companies like ECUtek and Openflash, two of the most widely used and easiest to use tuning solutions for our cars.

Piggyback chips might squeak in under the law, because they don't modify the ECU itself, only the signals coming in and out of the ECU. But they're not as flexible or user-friendly as the two listed above. A standalone ECU such as MOTEC or Hydra EMS bypasses the law completely, but that's a much higher price tag and is much more complicated for basic users who just want a stage 1 or 2 reflash and maybe launch control.

Look at tuning solutions for the Toyota Tundra. There are a few piggyback chips that are iffy on what you get, and there are complete ECU swaps. There is no middle ground, because the ECU is so tightly locked down.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2221349)

Holy crap I should have reread that other thread before I linked it! A lot of shit went down last night.

Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2221444)

Yea thread could set a land speed record for time taken to go from civil to ugly. I was simultaneously impressed and repulsed. :barf:

Originally Posted by HunterGreene (Post 2221577)

I believe it was mentioned in the other thread as well that if something is encrypted, people will eventually decrypt or break it, with enough demand (think jailbreaking iPhones, rooting android, etc.). There is enough demand in this community that it can and will happen. It will be illegal, but you know that people will do it anyways.

Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2221610)

Also, how would anyone even go around monitoring something like that? I never go to stealerships seeing as how they tried making me pay $100 for a simple oil change. So who's going to be checking that I have an unmodified ECU, are they going to be sending one-time into the field with OBDII cables next to their tazer and handcuffs?

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 2221654)

Again as I stated, this is going to be an issue for future car owners.

They cannot go backwards and claim copyright on something we have not agreed to for current car owners. This is the important part that most articles about this leave out.

-alex

Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2221610)

Also, how would anyone even go around monitoring something like that? I never go to stealerships seeing as how they tried making me pay $100 for a simple oil change. So who's going to be checking that I have an unmodified ECU, are they going to be sending one-time into the field with OBDII cables next to their tazer and handcuffs?

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2221694)

Vehicle inspection varies by state, some states have yearly safety inspections which could hypothetically include the check, many states have regular emissions checks for vehicles which include an OBD scan to verify the emissions equipment, checking that the ECU is protected would be an easy checkbox to add.

So I take it Oregon doesn't give a fuck what you drive around in as long as you don't get pulled over?

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 2221445)

As I mentioned in the other thread, this is only an issue for those flashing the stock ECU.

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 2221817)

That's a lot of people though. Every FI kit that uses an ECUtek, flex fuel kits, all OFT users from the very basic stage 1 users to the guys creating their own custom maps, would all be affected. Would people still drop $5-6K on a turbo kit if it meant they had to spend another $2K+ on a standalone ECU? Out of all the FI cars on this forum, I don't think more than a handful of them use standalones.

Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2221707)

Yea, Oregon has literally ZERO problem with any vehicle with wheels and a motor. You don't even need doors, and in some cases even a seatbelt!

Edit: I do think Portland does biennial emissions checks, but that's city ordinance only.

Originally Posted by Amaya (Post 2221825)

And I thought Texas was pretty open with car regulations. Gonna look into moving to Oregon now. . .

Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2222536)

If you're from Texas you'd fit right in here. Oregon has two types of people, hippies and rednecks. Driving down the road you'll see two types of cars with their respective bumper sticker:
A Prius with

And a Duramax diesel twin stack with

... The kicker is that somehow we all get along quite well! Oregon's state motto is, "Alis Volat Propriis" which I'm pretty sure translates to "Do whatever the hell you want, just don't be a douche."

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2222646)

From what I have seen on here I have sort of come to accept the PNW guys (Oregon and Washington) as demi Canadians! Be that good or bad you can determine for yourselves.

Originally Posted by Amaya (Post 2222765)

Well then whenever I finally take a roadtrip up there (been wanting to for a couple years) I will judge Canadians by the PNW folks.

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 2221817)

That's a lot of people though. Every FI kit that uses an ECUtek, flex fuel kits, all OFT users from the very basic stage 1 users to the guys creating their own custom maps, would all be affected. Would people still drop $5-6K on a turbo kit if it meant they had to spend another $2K+ on a standalone ECU? Out of all the FI cars on this forum, I don't think more than a handful of them use standalones.

Originally Posted by Brick (Post 2223280)

Most people seem to forget that in the US the with good ol EPA tuning your car is technically tampering with emissions equipment and is illegal anyway.

Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2221707)

Originally Posted by Amaya (Post 2222765)

Well then whenever I finally take a roadtrip up there (been wanting to for a couple years) I will judge Canadians by the PNW folks.

Originally Posted by soulreapersteve (Post 2223603)

I dunno if the Canadians want to be grouped into us PNW folks as we are always extremely depressed and even borderline suicidal since it's always dark and rainy here.

Originally Posted by Amaya (Post 2223655)

Yep, definitely moving to the PNW now, it sounds perfect. I love dark and rainy, and I'm often extremely depressed :D

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2223821)