Are we spoiled?
 

Been about 5 months owning my BRZ now, and I have to say I feel spoiled by our cars. When I'm in my car, I don't notice the good but instead always get reminded of the bad (notchy 2nd gear, how it runs better when it's a bit colder outside, ambiguous clutch, no power).

But then I had a chance to drive a friend's 2014 WRX 5 speed MT. While I admit the boost was REALLY fun and I'll probably get one down the road, it really made me appreciate our cars.

The wrx had a really long and clunky ass shifter, seats were disengaging, pedals were so weird I had a hard time heel toeing in the car (i heel toe just fine in ours) The clutch was a stiff one though and had lots of margin of error and was very forgiving. That was an interesting experience since we have to be pretty accurate/precise with our clutch.

The handling department goes without question, but I didn't think the WRX was that bad seeing as how it wasn't meant to beat our cars in the corners and the boost makes up for it.


What do you think? Are we spoiled by our cars?

Your experience makes me feel better about my car now.
I think we just demand perfection and not spoiled. Perhaps we love our car so much and want the best for it.

I love my car, I don't care about the little quirks..yes i have a tranny issue, but it seems to be going away. yes i ripped off half of my front skirt but that's my fault. yes I can't fit more than 2.5 people in the car - i don't care. I enjoy racking up 100 miles a day on this thing!

*LET THE CIRCLEJERK BEGIN*

My buddy had a 12' wrx that we took to lunch on work break, and we'd switch it up and take mine now and then. It feels like a completely different car. You're much higher up, roofline is a lot taller, seats feel like they're only supporting your ass, shifter has a long throw like you said, clutch was super forgiving and soft - kind of like ours, brakes were meh, tons of body roll. Overall I really wasn't impressed. It really helped me to aid the decision between buying as he purchased his first.


I get back in my car and immediately I'm reminded of the low slunk down seating position.


My roommate has a Boss302 and he calls my brz a go kart. :D

The boost has left me a strong impression though. I will never boost mine since I don't have 10k to invest in the car (i'd rather keep as is and use that 10k for a downpayment towards the STI), but man that shit is fun.





I get the go kart reference for my car all the time too. My dad actually said that exactly when I told him I wanted the BRZ.

Boost up your car and have the best of both worlds

Nah, I'd rather save the 10k for OEM boost and keep my go kart

I dont think the car has too many 'bads' IMO. I had the car for about 3 months now and it only thing i can complain about is the paint. It sucks so bad i get pissed off sometimes.

Other than that, i love the car and driving it, i also get lots of compliments for the car (but this is just a plus)

I don't have any complaints about my BRZ, other than I can't justify owning 2.

I've been convincing myself otherwise...I think of it like a sock or shoe. I need two BRZs to function!

Thin, fragile paint is just part of the Subaru Experience(tm).

people forgot it is a 25k econo sports car. I think it is a damn fine fun toy.

I'm like 200% satisfied with my car.

It's one of the best DD+Track cars ever in my opinion.

Is this another circlejerk thread? Where do I sign in?

No sign-in required.
"The more, the merrier" they say, as they awkwardly stare at you.

It comes down to boost or no boost in the end...

Personally I may have enjoyed the WRX just as much, but I didn't even know it was in the same price range at the time of purchase.

besides, BRZ looks better

If you like the boost part of WRX so much, why don't you just boost your BRZ to have both?

http://img.pandawhale.com/82733-why-...meme-5LvD.jpeg

As stated above I don't want to put 10k into the Brz. I'd rather use that to get another car on top of the Brz

lololol

Pretty sure that's used for racing.

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Why? Because Racecar.

Looks like Russia so god only knows the story behind it!

first time driving a boosted car? The WRX fa20dit is a very weak setup given the pricepoint and what it has to power

Yes, first time. I drove the 2014 hatch actually. Haven't driven the new one

Respectively speaking the power levels of the outgoing EJ and the new FADIT are a wash.. subi reports a 3hp and 14ftlbs crank increase from the switchover, yet the new '15s are around 60 pounds heavier.

drive the WRX for a few weeks and you'll be like.. shoot this thing is slow. :)

boost is fun but the butt dyno goes crazy when one watches the boost gauge flutter upwards, along with all the racket and noise associated. I love FI, love my bugeye pushing the limits of its td04 (18 psi), but good lord how stark are the differences in overall driving feel and characteristic, to me and my e-opinion, strike the 86 as a clear winner in that arena

What if you disregard the price and compare it to the sti? That's my next car probably (hopefully as a 2nd one)

This

Take it from me OP. power is a nice thing to have.. but it will never be enough if you keep going down that road. Why do you need power? to be faster than the next guy? trust me there will always be somebody faster. Are those 3-4 seconds of pulling past the other guy really what you bought a car for?

I agree with OP. I still love my car even after nearly two years of ownership, however over the course of ownership, I have found an issue with my transmission (shit grinds whenever I aggressively shift up or down into 5th) and the thin paint. Other than that, I enjoy driving the car as much as the first time I test drove one. Maintenance on our cars is easy as hell and this is coming from a not mechanically inclined individual!

says the guy driving a GTR :bonk:

lol!

Do what I did and get one for the wife too. :D

LOL I've been actually trying to do this..

I am with the GTR guy, there is ALWAYS some one faster. For a DD this is an outstanding choice. I love to work on cars and drive them. That is both on the track and on the street. The fast cars give you about 3 seconds of WOT then you are looking around for the MAN unless you are at the track. In this car my right foot has intimate knowledge of the floor. I shift at red line a great deal of the time and break and turn hard. I LOVE IT!!! Yes I did add some power but more because I could than really needed. I have less than 5K into tune and hardware, so not sure where the 10K is coming from. Oh, even in pure stock mode a tune will make a world of difference in driving pleasure.

A lot of FI research I've read showed about 5~6k for the kit, and then 4k for install, bigger brakes, new clutch, oil catch/cooler, etc etc.

If you are not tracking the car then all the extras are probably not needed. I was talking a well used and liked DD. I have used this car at the track with no issues. Well I did put on a different set of break pads and tires but that was it. If you are setting up a track car then multiply the 10K by 4 to 10 depending on how badly you want to win. There is a weakest link problem that applies to cars, drive it until it breaks then make that part better you may never need the clutch or the oversized breaks or even the cooling. Start with the critical part and work into it.
I am not trying to discourage but rather encourage your efforts.
I do all most all of my own work so maybe labor is the difference. Or perhaps prices have gone up in the last two years. I found that I could trade computer work for dyno time, be inventive.
Many times there will be a club or individual in your area that will help with your install for a six pack and a good dinner.

Grouped these because I enjoyed your refreshingly candid statements. Thank you.

Truth!

Are you far from IL in WI? I'm not sure if you are a fan of meeting other owners, but we've got a big group here in NW burbs of Chicago.

"It will never have enough power until I can spin the wheels at the end of the straightaway in high gear". Mark Donohue. RIP.

The number of people who don't know that our clutches can be fixed in 10 minutes for $0 is just amazing. Pull the stupid spring and lower it and you'll be in clutch-pedal heaven.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84622
(Useless spring removal)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8040
(Lowering pedal height)

You're welcome :)