The last unmodified BRZ.
 

What do you think my car will be worth in 30 years? Not modifying anything on it. It should be quite rare.

Probably not much, todays cars are not built to last, rather mod it, and enjoy it

Lol it won't be worth much

The last unmodified BRZ.
 

If you don't touch it at all & dealer hasn't even take off all those plastic warps then just store it in a underground garage for 30 years straight. YES.

Look up the untouched AE 86 in Belgium. U can be the 2nd one in the future. It was featured on speed hunter few years back.
http://jalopnik.com/5828381/this-is-...la-looks-like/

About as much as a stock 240sx.

oooh yeah i saw this.... If I was uber rich and had money to burn I would buy an 86 and lock it away like this for shits and giggles.

I love driving my cars, I hate it when people buy cars and then drive around in a beater because ' I dont want to put mileage on it" WTF did you buy it for? its a car, drive it and enjoy the thing!

MY question is will our cars be one of those platforms that everyone does an engine swap on ~15 years down the road? like the 22b STI swaps or 2005 wrx with an STI motor swap. Maybe by then the FA20DIT will be the go to motor for the 86 swap projects

There will be vastly more unmodded BRZs then modded. The mistake is thinking this forum indicates the majority of owners when in fact it is probably someplace around 2% of them. All those folks that bought it because it was pretty or cheap and think that Mod is short for modern will be leaving them stock.

I'd say that number is much higher given the nature of this car and the math. There have been something like 100,000 twins sold worldwide. This forum alone has 75,000 members and it only represents the English speaking community mostly in NA. If only 10% (I'm sure the numbers are much higher) of the membership here own a twin, that's still 7500 owners out of about 45,000 (17%) twins sold in NA.

Mod it and enjoy, but don't lose sight of taking care of the car.

I'm in it for the long haul with mine, which is not a sentiment that a lot of other 86 owners share with me. The 240sx comparison is spot on; finding a bunch of rough 240's in the world isn't difficult, but when you see one out in the wild that's been kept in really good condition with lots of tasteful mods that only nerds like us will notice, it's kind of a special thing.

Miss read your answer and had a long winded response all typed and then went "ah shit we agree"!

Your assumptions look sound but even at 17% we are still the minority and should not be considered the benchmark for the "average" owner.
Now, of course just because a person is not on here does not mean they are not modded but the inverse also applies in that everybody here is not modded either.

Over all, the stock cars should outnumber the modded ones for a long time. This of course could change dramatically if they stop making them early. There are some older, short run cars that to find a stock one now is damned near impossible.

I'd say at least 20% of ownership is at least a member of this site; however, like the OP, not every owner modifies their car. I've spoken with quite a few who thinks it's great as-is.

Additionally, you have to take into consideration the second owners. Will they modify the car if the original owner didn't? Then you'd have even fewer unmolested examples. As they become (even) cheaper, they'll fall into hands of folks who may do really stupid things to them... third owners, fourth owners, etc. Some will become auto-x or track rats. Others will be stanced (yo). In 30 years, I doubt there will be many stock twins running around just like there aren't many stock Eclipses and older tuner cars running around.

I've kept all my stock parts so I can return it to stock when I move on from it and sell it as "unmolested and completely stock." LOL.

yeah probably, just like the MK3 MR2 spyder swap from 1zzfe to 2zzge, common swap, parts are even off the shelf for everything.

I guess a lot of it depends on location as well. I see piles of Eclipses around and to spot one with obvious mods is actually pretty rare.

Depends on how many get made on how hard it will be to find a stock one. Obviously the fewer there are the more impact the mod community will have.

Your last sentence does throw another element into the mix. Just how many cars advertised as "unmolested and completely stock" down the road were actually "totally raped and only appear to be stock again"? (Not saying you were hard on yours but god knows some are). Can't wait to see how many 10 year old cars with pristine "original exhausts" are available in 2023.

About...tree fiddy.

I dont care as long as it does not become like a riced out civic scene

Maybe if I could buy 2, and have fun with one of them... but I don't see cars as an investment, I see them as a hobby! Different strokes for different folks I guess!

On car forums we tend to believe everybody is like us, you know? Everybody who has one of these clearly modifies it! Hah. I'm sure plenty of people have bought one because it's a fun economical car, or because it looks good, or because they think it's perfect out of the box. When those ones turn up used, they'll be the ones to try and buy, I think. Problem is, the subsequent owners may shortly remove their pristine/unmodified status.

I bought mine new because I knew that this car can breed some irresponsible driving behind the wheel, so with a new one that isn't a concern. If I had bought a used one, I would've wanted to have it checked out by my mechanic and talked to the previous owner extensively. That said, when somebody buys mine as a used car, it'll come with what is basically brand new OEM exhaust, taillights, side markers, shift knob, wheels... ;).

Yep! Been preaching the word of "a forum ain't the place to judge a car or determine what is normal" gospel for years across a few different makes.

Mine will be a score for somebody in 3 years. It will be high mileage and will go straight to auction as soon as I trade in so will probably get picked up cheap.
So what somebody will get is a well maintained, highway driven (98% highway on cruise) well TRD optioned, original car for a great price.
The sad part is that it will probably be cheap enough that some kid will go all F&F on it and it will end up in a rice bowl!

You'll prob be dead or in a wheelchair so I wouldn't worry about it.

I think these cars will follow the pattern of the British sports cars from the 60s and 70s. Right now an MG or Triumph in reasonably good driving condition for its age runs about 2 to 3 times its original purchase price. Going with that measure, figure a twin will pull in $50K to $60K in 30 years.

BUT, before you get all excited and start making retirement plans, keep in mind that the long term inflation rate in the United States is 3.22%. If that rate holds in the future, $25K of today's dollars will be worth $62,675 in 30 years. So if you spent $25K today, keep the car for 30 years and sell it for $60K, you'll actually lose $2600 to inflation alone.

In fact, you'll actually lose more than that, because the car will cost you money in the interim. You'll have to maintain it or store it. Even a stored car has to be maintained, and storage isn't free. So you have to factor those costs into your loss. It might also need to be restored, which isn't free and will also add to your loss.

Also keep in mind that the values of the cars goes down before it goes up. When I was a teenager in the 80s, you could pick up roadworthy MGs and Triumphs any day of the week for about half their original purchase prices. So if you were really trying to maximize your return, you would wait until the twins were regularly selling for under $10K and pick up a good used one. Even then it's not likely you'll make any money on it.

There are only two times it makes sense to treat a vehicle as an investment:

First is when you use it as a capital expenditure investment for business purposes, where the use of the vehicle makes you money. When a glass installer buys a glass truck, he makes money from that purchase by using the truck in his business. I'm actually using my own BRZ that way, since I use it for work and make more money off the mileage reimbursement than it costs me to operate the car.

Second is when the vehicle itself is rare and desirable from the outset. The original 2000GT on which the twins are modeled goes for millions at auction because there are very few of them. That's not the case with the twins. They will not be boutique cars now or in 30 years. They will be a lot more rare in 30 years, but no more so than an MGB is today.

As for whether your unmodified car will be worth more than a modded car, that really just depends. It'll be worth more than one with a Rocket Ninny kit on it, because it will cost more money to undo that damage. But one with just a regular stick-on body kit, bolt-on turbo and Tom's tails that can be taken back to stock fairly easily will not be significantly less desirable than one that never had a single mod. What will be the deciding factor is how much damage the mod did, and most mods are easily reversible. Even engine mods won't matter, because by that time most of them will have needed an engine rebuild anyway.

try it and let us know in 30 years.

I mean, it is already orange! ;)

It already has and will continue. This car was praised by the entire car community as the savior of cheap rear wheel drive sports car fun. Many people got caught up in the excitement that the car journalists wrote about, and then was further lost in the wait list to get one. Kind of a mob mentality.

Then they got one and the honeymoon period wore off. They realized they can get much faster cars for the same price. They can get much better handling cars for the same price. They can get this performance and be much more practical or easier to live with daily. After that there was a rush to get rid of the car so used prices plummeted. Now the people who don't have as easy access or don't want to spend as much on their car comes in. This is where you get the hack job suspension mods, the poorly done DIY exhaust, etc. I'm not saying cheap mods can't be done well, because there are a lot of skilled people that could do much better with $500 than I can do with $2000. I'm just saying that if you took the average person and gave them less $ to complete the same type of modifications as a person with more $$$, the end result will typically show.

So to answer your question, will your unmolested car be worth anything, that is impossible to say. Supras and RX-7 were a dime a dozen before fast and furious. Even the Eclipse had a short bump in value for some time. 30 years ago you wanted a Jafuar E-Type, fork up $15k. Now you want a Jaguar E-Type? $500k. There must be some random, out of nowhere, social spotlight that drives that mob mentality and forces everyone to view your car as the one everyone wants. I say drive it however makes you happiest. If in 30 years its worth nothing, at least you got 30 years of amazing driving fun.

LOL, no.

http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/.../jaguar/e-type

Haha, yeah. I was more trying to make a point than give factual buyer information. I guess my "estimation" was an inch or two off :bonk: