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zigzagz94 03-29-2015 05:57 PM

Mid Engined Hyundai Veloster Spied?
 
Last May (2014) Hyundai surprised every one on their home turf at the Busan Motor Show with a wild midship Veloster CONCEPT:
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/29/h...concept-busan/



http://jalopnik.com/holy-crap-this-i...dai-1583197040


Now (2015) Leftlanenews is claiming it has amateur spy shots of a TEST MULE taken in South Korea suggesting that Hyundai is working on a mid-engined version of the Veloster coupe.


"Details are vague at best, but the mid-engined prototype shown in the pictures borrows numerous styling cues from the Veloster Midship concept that was shown last year at the Busan Motor Show. Fitted with only two doors, it features flared fenders all around, large air vents in front of the rear wheels and a full body kit that includes a deep front bumper and a large air diffuser out back.
What the hot-rodded Veloster is powered by is a mystery. The concept shown in Busan nearly a year ago used a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder mill that generated 295 horsepower, nearly 100 more than the top-spec Veloster Turbo"

Read more: http://www.leftlanenews.com/spied-mi...#ixzz3VoXe2wVt




Going mid engine could also suggest a change to the driven wheels as it would be much easier for them to do RWD/AWD with that engine placement. The hot hatch wars are certainly starting to heat up.

Dimman 03-29-2015 06:31 PM

I'd bet money this will be the Korean equivalent to the Ford SHOgun. (Ford SHO V6 mid mounted and RWD in a Festiva.) They built it, it was neat, never intended for production.

hmong337 03-29-2015 06:33 PM

If this comes out and undercuts the FRS/BRZ... bye bye twins!

Tcoat 03-29-2015 07:00 PM

autoblog.com the gold standard in journalistic integrity and accuracy in reporting.

Dadhawk 03-29-2015 07:00 PM

From the articles "The Midship is a concept only to explore possibilities for the Veloster chassis and is currently not related to any future production model."

In the end, I love mid-engine cars, but it still looks like a Veloster so it would be a no go for me.

ronboogieon 03-29-2015 07:58 PM

Didn't Hyundai/Kia "shock" everyone with the GT4 Stinger concept too? A concept is only a concept until it is no longer a concept.

zigzagz94 03-29-2015 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2190252)
autoblog.com the gold standard in journalistic integrity and accuracy in reporting.



The autoblog article I linked to is completely factual. Hyundai did show a midhip veloster concept at the Busan Auto Show. It's the leftlanenews article that claims to have new spy shots of a test mule that's questionable.

xuimod 03-29-2015 09:32 PM

From the article: "This new front-wheel drive flagship sedan will offer quiet and sophisticated driving comfort, while adopting a series of advanced convenience features."

Mid Engine but FWD? Either I read the article incorrectly or Hyundai is really really f-ing stupid.

zigzagz94 03-29-2015 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xuimod (Post 2190414)
From the article: "This new front-wheel drive flagship sedan will offer quiet and sophisticated driving comfort, while adopting a series of advanced convenience features."

Mid Engine but FWD? Either I read the article incorrectly or Hyundai is really really f-ing stupid.



The press release is about two different cars. The first part is about the midship veloster concept the second is about the new FWD sedan.


The paragraph just above the one you quoted says:


"Also receiving its global reveal at the show is the all-new 'AG' large sedan that underlines Hyundai's position as a manufacturer of premium, distinctively-styled vehicles. Displaying an elegant yet simple exterior, 'AG' continues the modern interpretation of Fluidic Sculpture 2.0, with a distinctive long nose, and a refined character-line that runs the length of the wheelbase."




FYI: the autoblog article is from 2014 and was included as context so that people would know what car the new 2015 leftlanenews article is "claiming" to have test mule spy shots of

Dadhawk 03-30-2015 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xuimod (Post 2190414)
From the article: "This new front-wheel drive flagship sedan will offer quiet and sophisticated driving comfort, while adopting a series of advanced convenience features."

Quote:

Originally Posted by zigzagz94 (Post 2190443)
The press release is about two different cars. The first part is about the midship veloster concept the second is about the new FWD sedan.

Don't feel too bad @xuimod I thought the exact same thing when I read it, then read it again and caught the two different car nuance.

DarkSunrise 03-30-2015 08:47 AM

Cool looking concept. Enough with the teasing though. Either Hyundai needs to make this, or Kia needs to make the GT4 Stinger concept.

Levi 04-02-2015 05:03 PM

Hyundai RM15 Concept @ 2015 Seoul Motor Show
 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tYiyahQKlG...-Concept-2.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZzyU8lSPaV...-Concept-4.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UwA7LAVARJ...-Concept-5.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Gdbysac2UR...-Concept-1.jpg

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=635DF_iwri0&feature=player_embedded"][TEASER] HYUNDAI RM15 CONCEPT - YouTube[/ame]

Bye bye Twins!



















Again just another concept.
:(

Sideways&Smiling 04-02-2015 05:19 PM

Wow, those are some impressive specs.

gramicci101 04-02-2015 05:24 PM

It looks like fun. Hopefully it has more steering feel than the current Veloster. I can't imagine what the price would be if all the panels really are CFRP as it suggests.

Dimman 04-02-2015 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2196852)
Wow, those are some impressive specs.

Meh. The Genesis has "impressive specs". Hyundai still doesn't understand vehicle dynamics.

Once they do though, it'll be like Happy Gilmore learning to putt...

Sideways&Smiling 04-02-2015 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 2197126)
Meh. The Genesis has "impressive specs". Hyundai still doesn't understand vehicle dynamics.

Once they do though, it'll be like Happy Gilmore learning to putt...

Not really. The Genesis is an overweight "sporty" Korean G35 knockoff.

This is rear-weight-biased 2750 pound mid-engine, RWD sports car with 300hp and double wishbone suspension. Pretty significant difference.

Tcoat 04-02-2015 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2197139)
Not really. The Genesis is an overweight "sporty" Korean G35 knockoff.

This is rear-weight-biased 2750 pound mid-engine, RWD sports car with 300hp and double wishbone suspension. Pretty significant difference.

And a concept!
If they make it at all (which they sort of say they won't) it will be a whole different spec sheet. Weight will go up and power down until it is not nearly as big a difference.
I would still be interested!

Sideways&Smiling 04-02-2015 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2197151)
And a concept!
If they make it at all (which they sort of say they won't) it will be a whole different spec sheet. Weight will go up and power down until it is not nearly as big a difference.
I would still be interested!

A very good concept, indeed, though.

Dimman 04-02-2015 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2197139)
Not really. The Genesis is an overweight "sporty" Korean G35 knockoff.

This is rear-weight-biased 2750 pound mid-engine, RWD sports car with 300hp and double wishbone suspension. Pretty significant difference.

Still don't know how to tune suspension is what I'm getting at...

Tcoat 04-02-2015 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2197152)
A very good concept, indeed, though.

But we know what happens between concept and reality if concept even becomes reality.
The Veloster turbo and the Genesis were both on my short list when I was shopping and both are actually very decent cars. I agree with Dim (hmmm that doesn't sound flattering when shortened) though that they come up just a little short in the suspension category. Not horrible just not quite there. Could probably take care of that with some mods but once I drove the FRS I never looked back so never checked out what could be done.

Sideways&Smiling 04-02-2015 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2197170)
But we know what happens between concept and reality if concept even becomes reality.
The Veloster turbo and the Genesis were both on my short list when I was shopping and both are actually very decent cars. I agree with Dim (hmmm that doesn't sound flattering when shortened) though that they come up just a little short in the suspension category. Not horrible just not quite there. Could probably take care of that with some mods but once I drove the FRS I never looked back so never checked out what could be done.

It's not just the suspension. It's the entire platform. It's what those cars are. A FWD hatch and a heavy semi-luxury boat coupe/sedan. It's not like either were even remotely close to being intended to be purpose-built sports cars. Just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean they aren't capable of doing it!

Obviously, that doesn't mean they will build it either, but the specs alone make it more interesting than almost anything else shown by anyone recently. A 2750 pound mid-engine rwd turbo car with double wishbone suspension styled like a rally car makes for a pretty unique concept right now.

Dimman 04-02-2015 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2197181)
It's not just the suspension. It's the entire platform. It's what those cars are. A FWD hatch and a heavy semi-luxury boat coupe/sedan. It's not like either were even remotely close to being intended to be purpose-built sports cars. Just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean they aren't capable of doing it!

Obviously, that doesn't mean they will build it either, but the specs alone make it more interesting than almost anything else shown by anyone recently. A 2750 pound mid-engine rwd turbo car with double wishbone suspension styled like a rally car makes for a pretty unique concept right now.

Yes because there are no good handling performance hatches. Ever. Especially not ones with upgraded performance features like turbocharged engines.

My bad.

DAEMANO 04-02-2015 09:05 PM

I love her as a comedienne still...


Rachel Dratch might maybe could fuck like Asa Akira but she still looks like Rachel Dratch.

Dimman 04-02-2015 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2197207)
I love her as a comedienne still...


Rachel Dratch might maybe could fuck like Asa Akira but she still looks like Rachel Dratch.

To complete the analogy properly, Rachel Dratch would also just kinda lie there and put out a soft moan every 5 minutes while you did all the work.

Levi 04-03-2015 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 2197157)
Still don't know how to tune suspension is what I'm getting at...

First your ignorance doesn't know that former BMW M Chief Engineer, Biermann, is now at Hyundai.


Second, you think your FR-S > World, what is no less idiotic than those saying the twins need more power. Think of what Toyota was before the Twins, before the LFA and the IS-F: a laughing stock for car enthusiasts.

Stop being stupid and closed minded.

DohcTor 04-03-2015 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zigzagz94 (Post 2190329)
The autoblog article I linked to is completely factual. Hyundai did show a midhip veloster concept at the Busan Auto Show. It's the leftlanenews article that claims to have new spy shots of a test mule that's questionable.


Don't feed the trolls mate, he's gonna try and argue with you no matter what:popcorn:

Dimman 04-03-2015 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi (Post 2197565)
First your ignorance doesn't know that former BMW M Chief Engineer, Biermann, is now at Hyundai.


Second, you think your FR-S > World, what is no less idiotic than those saying the twins need more power. Think of what Toyota was before the Twins, before the LFA and the IS-F: a laughing stock for car enthusiasts.

Stop being stupid and closed minded.

Levi, not a single performance Toyota has been a laughing stock for anything. MR-S, fantastic handling. Celica GT-S fantastic FWD handling. Supra, with all the power mods people forget how good the handling is. MR2, fantastic handling. Celica GT4, fantastic handling since before Subaru knew what rally was. Etc... Etc...

The problem with 'laughing stock' Toyotas are the commuting appliances. There were no real performance vehicles. Toyota has already forgotten more about handling than Hyundai has ever known.

As for a BMW engineer, great. Good luck to him fighting through a complex, foreign office management to get anything done. He's going to have to reverse (and embarrass by doing so) so decisions by high up Koreans to succeed. Asian business hierarchy are very resistant to that. Especially if they don't feel it's necessary (handling isn't their number one priority).You see the massive committee mindset in a car like the Veloster. It could've/should've been a great hot hatch. But committee design killed any potential by adding too many opposing requirements (a camel is a racehorse designed by a committee...).

Even if he manages that, he will still have to fight through the accounting department that all car companies have. The Killer of Joy Department. And Hyundai is quite cost conscious.

Don't hold your breath. This isn't the same as KIA's design manager where overall cost doesn't get hugely affected by design change.

However... If he does get through to Hyundai it will be a glorious day for car buyers as the rest of the companies will have to step up significantly.


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