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FT-86 SpeedFactory 03-12-2015 09:41 PM

Who's tired of the "Pedal Dance" and wants to be in real control of their car?
 
So for those of us who track our car's a lot and start pushing the limits with tires and brakes have found out traction may be off on the dash but not inside the brains of the car holding you and your times back.

When Autocrossing who has hit the first turn to realize you forgot to turn the darn traction control off and have now just thrown away a very important run? I know I have.... :bonk::bonk:

Anyway this neat little box plugs into the ODBII port and disables the Traction/VSC completely. Leave it installed full time for the trailer queen race car, or plug in at the beginning of your fun filled day at the track or autocross.

The 86 Traction / VSC Eliminator for the Scion FR-S, Subaru BRZ, and Toyota GT86 is the perfect track accessory. This will fully disable traction and VSC without having to do the famous pedal dance.

This device AUTOMATICALLY places your vehicle into the famed "Pedal Dance" mode (without any dancing required). In this mode both Traction Control and Vehicle Stability Control are fully disabled.

The device plugs into the ODB II port.

To engage the vehicle needs to be stopped and the RPM at normal idle (not warming up) to dis-engage the VSC/TRAC.

When the ignition is off the device draws minimal power and can be left in place.

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/imag...eliminator.jpg

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/imag...iminator-2.jpg

swarb 03-12-2015 09:43 PM

VICTORY! Can you unplug it afterwards and it will stay activated?

FT-86 SpeedFactory 03-12-2015 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2166810)
VICTORY! Can you unplug it afterwards and it will stay activated?

Has to stay connected / plugged in to work.

jvincent 03-12-2015 09:54 PM

Am I correct in assuming that when this is plugged in you lose the ability to datalog?

TRD_Demon527 03-12-2015 09:56 PM

what is the cost of this unit

chas3wba0 03-12-2015 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TRD_Demon527 (Post 2166828)
what is the cost of this unit

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/mig-...ator-2007.html

TRD_Demon527 03-12-2015 10:07 PM

Not a bad price. I'll have to invest in this product for my first track day


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celica73 03-12-2015 10:13 PM

Meh. So much data acquisition is based on OBD input (see data log question above). If this had a pass-through I might jump on it. Even better if it allowed my OBD reader to be hooked up and was a right angle pass though (the BRZ OBD port isn't in a very good spot).

FT-86 SpeedFactory 03-12-2015 10:26 PM

I agree data logging parameters is important but you shouldn't need that every single event/session especially when time matters.

All tuning and everything else should be long sorted out before your important runs or session is made.

cjd 03-12-2015 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FT-86 SpeedFactory (Post 2166871)
I agree data logging parameters is important but you shouldn't need that every single event/session especially when time matters.

All tuning and everything else should be long sorted out before your important runs or session is made.

Uhhh, say what? So this isn't a useful tool unless you're already as good as you can get? I mean, I think it's pretty slick but that's a bit of a stretch.

I wonder of it could share the bus though... Y cable?

C

CSG Mike 03-12-2015 10:46 PM

The elimination of datalogging makes this completely useless to any serious trackday or autocross enthusiast...

Does it eliminate the e-diff and EBD as well?

CSG Mike 03-12-2015 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cjd (Post 2166905)
Uhhh, say what? So this isn't a useful tool unless you're already as good as you can get? I mean, I think it's pretty slick but that's a bit of a stretch.

I wonder of it could share the bus though... Y cable?

C

Most datalogging systems are not compatible with a Y splitter.

cjd 03-12-2015 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 2166910)
Most datalogging systems are not compatible with a Y splitter.

Figured. I think just a bit more wait then... :) I still think the product is cool, just not for the serious enthusiast as you say...

D K 03-13-2015 10:55 AM

This should be able to be configured with a pass through function.

Can this be brought up with the manufacturer?


Furthermore, can this be built into the ecutek software?

glamcem 03-13-2015 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 2166908)
The elimination of datalogging makes this completely useless to any serious trackday or autocross enthusiast...

Does it eliminate the e-diff and EBD as well?

exactly what I thought, if someone can make a BT OBD2 adapter with this feature built in or make it adjustable via one of the datalogging software such as Torque app, I would buy it in a heartbeat

mav1178 03-13-2015 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FT-86 SpeedFactory (Post 2166871)
I agree data logging parameters is important but you shouldn't need that every single event/session especially when time matters.

All tuning and everything else should be long sorted out before your important runs or session is made.

While true, I use my OBD-II port for two things:
1) Pivot gauge reading oil temp and coolant temp
2) AIM Solo DL configured to read 4 parameters: real-time lap temp, delta vs best previous lap time, coolant temp, and oil temp

The "when time matters" part is ESPECIALLY important to have AIM Solo or other real-time timing in place to help monitor lap times. I can't say how many people have the regular vs DL, but when I'm trying to push a personal best it's very useful to know which parts of the track I'm slower at in real time instead of downloading data in the pits.

As mentioned already, a Y-splitter won't work. I bought one and now have a $20 paperweight in my garage.

The pedal dance takes me about 10 seconds to do, 5 if I'm fast. YMMV.

-alex

Cockatoo 03-13-2015 02:11 PM

cough cough:

https://www.facebook.com/86nannycontroller

ATL BRZ 03-13-2015 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cockatoo (Post 2167763)

coughTHIScough

7thgear 03-13-2015 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FT-86 SpeedFactory (Post 2166871)
I agree data logging parameters is important but you shouldn't need that every single event/session especially when time matters.

All tuning and everything else should be long sorted out before your important runs or session is made.



You're generating a marketing "line" that is just not true.

mav1178 03-13-2015 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cockatoo (Post 2167763)

I'd restrict discussion to products currently available for purchase. This, while great, isn't for sale yet... hell, I don't even know if it's a legit company or not aside from pictures and an email...

-alex

Cockatoo 03-13-2015 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 2167911)
I'd restrict discussion to products currently available for purchase. This, while great, isn't for sale yet... hell, I don't even know if it's a legit company or not aside from pictures and an email...

-alex

Not trying to ruffle any feathers... just letting people know there is a better product planned for the future

kster1 03-13-2015 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cockatoo (Post 2167763)

I'll be watching this product. Being unable to use the Solo DL is a deal breaker for me.

continuecrushing 03-13-2015 05:03 PM

forum begs for device so we dont have to dance on pedals

after 2+ years, device presented.

forum bitches it doesn't make coffee

lol...at least we're going in the right direction

ddeflyer 03-13-2015 05:07 PM

<rant>
Unfortunately, the incompatibility of this product with the most common forms of data logging means that this product is unlikely to be used by the people who are justified and qualified to make use of it. I fear that this product will end up being a tool of the idiot who imagines their street car to be a race car after they slam it to the ground and do other inadvisable things to its suspension and then starts stuntin and splodin it on the streets.
</rant>

fatalelement 03-13-2015 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ddeflyer (Post 2168061)
stuntin and splodin

Best phrase of 2015.

Can we get a "stuntin and splodin" official subforum or maybe just a t shirt

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stugray 03-13-2015 05:55 PM

Very nice device and great price!

However.... countdown to reverse engineering ... 5, 4, 3......
(if I had my hands on one we would be at 0).

There is a unit available in Japan for $350 that was probably rev-engineered for this one (just a guess).

Once we know what OBD commands it sends/responds to, we can make a tactrix do it relatively quickly and would likely be able to continue logging.

CSG David 03-13-2015 06:06 PM

Or you can spend 2 seconds and do the pedal dance. Gawd...I hate moving after working out just my right leg and right arm.

sw20kosh 03-13-2015 06:15 PM

I HAVE to be able to use the solo DL. Can't use this thing.

ddeflyer 03-13-2015 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatalelement (Post 2168101)
Best phrase of 2015.

Can we get a "stuntin and splodin" official subforum or maybe just a t shirt

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Wish I could take credit for the phrase, but it is a common term in Lemons racing. The "splodin" part is sometimes fairly literal...

venturaII 03-13-2015 06:42 PM

Am I correct in understanding this device also still leave ABS functional?

Sleepless 03-13-2015 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG David (Post 2168140)
Or you can spend 2 seconds and do the pedal dance. Gawd...I hate moving after working out just my right leg and right arm.

My problem is waiting for the engine to warm up to do the dance. I like the idea of a device that forces the car into to no nannies mode. While this version does not suit my data logging needs, I'm guessing there are plenty of people that would be quite happy with this one.

CSG David 03-13-2015 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sleepless (Post 2168193)
My problem is waiting for the engine to warm up to do the dance. I like the idea of a device that forces the car into to no nannies mode. While this version does not suit my data logging needs, I'm guessing there are plenty of people that would be quite happy with this one.

If that's one of the cases, I usually go 10% on warm-up lap to make sure everything gets up to temp and pull into the hot pit. Shut off, start up, do pedal dance, and go back out. It also allows some people to get out of the way for me so I can run some cleaner laps. :)

Most of the time I start up the car 5 minutes early and drive around the paddock to make sure everything else is warmed up. I have a LSD too. ;)

continuecrushing 03-13-2015 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venturaII (Post 2168191)
Am I correct in understanding this device also still leave ABS functional?

yes, ABS still works and is untouched(unless you pull the fuse)

zdr93523 03-13-2015 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG David (Post 2168219)
If that's one of the cases, I usually go 10% on warm-up lap to make sure everything gets up to temp and pull into the hot pit. Shut off, start up, do pedal dance, and go back out. It also allows some people to get out of the way for me so I can run some cleaner laps. :)

Most of the time I start up the car 5 minutes early and drive around the paddock to make sure everything else is warmed up. I have a LSD too. ;)

Pulling into the pits is a pretty good idea. I normally start my car 15 minutes early, get it warm, get the pedal dance done, get my harness on (ish), get to grid, start my camera, get my helmet on, get the harness tight... then I'm ready. Those minutes seems to tick by pretty fast.

Captain Snooze 03-14-2015 07:48 AM

For:
1/ Saves time doing pedal dance. Yay! I have an extra 10 seconds to play with!
2/ Reduces weight of wallet therefore increasing power to weight. (Ok, I know strictly speaking it's power to mass.)
3/ Has bragging rights before the prang on the street and automatically disappears from conversation after.

Against:
1/ Can't use Aim OBD connection.
2/ Of limited practical use to me given the expertise I have in pedal dancing. To become as proficient as me just watch some Riverdance clips. Music is optional.
3/ Device doesn't come in colour options so there is little chance of getting it to match my racing underwear. You know the ones? Its the type with the brown racing stripe down the middle at the back.

8686 03-23-2015 01:59 PM

@FT-86 SpeedFactory will it work on AT transmission?

simpleisbest 03-23-2015 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze (Post 2168752)
For:
1/ Saves time doing pedal dance. Yay! I have an extra 10 seconds to play with!
2/ Reduces weight of wallet therefore increasing power to weight. (Ok, I know strictly speaking it's power to mass.)
3/ Has bragging rights before the prang on the street and automatically disappears from conversation after.

Against:
1/ Can't use Aim OBD connection.
2/ Of limited practical use to me given the expertise I have in pedal dancing. To become as proficient as me just watch some Riverdance clips. Music is optional.
3/ Device doesn't come in colour options so there is little chance of getting it to match my racing underwear. You know the ones? Its the type with the brown racing stripe down the middle at the back.

You all know they have OBD2 splitters on the market, right?
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/OBDII-Splitter-J1962M-2-J1962F-145802/dp/B000TMCX72/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1427130290&sr=8-1&keywords=obdii+splitter"]Amazon.com: OBDII Splitter Y Cable, J1962M to 2-J1962F, 1ft (145802): Automotive[/ame]

sstfnv 03-23-2015 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simpleisbest (Post 2181248)
You all know they have OBD2 splitters on the market, right?
Amazon.com: OBDII Splitter Y Cable, J1962M to 2-J1962F, 1ft (145802): Automotive


It was already said in this thread that data loggers don't work with OBD splitters.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 2166910)
Most datalogging systems are not compatible with a Y splitter.


simpleisbest 03-23-2015 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sstfnv (Post 2181252)
It was already said in this thread that data loggers don't work with OBD splitters.

Never heard of that. I can imagine if both accessories needed 12v, that the draw might be too much. They do have dongles with added 12v out there, though...

sstfnv 03-23-2015 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simpleisbest (Post 2181267)
Never heard of that. I can imagine if both accessories needed 12v, that the draw might be too much. They do have dongles with added 12v out there, though...



its not about voltage, its about communication protocols.


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