Why I like Mazda engineers
 

Those dudes are innovative and passionate and even when you ask em to build an electric car they are like "we had this "RE," um "range extender" we can put in it." Rotary bitch! :happyanim:

They are like that guy that wants to do something freaky and their girl says no, but they keep bringing it back around.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...ange-extender/

It's such a dichotomy and it's great.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR2lvUnr3yg"][RX Memo 001] MAZDA Brand New Rotary Engine for range extender 2013 - YouTube[/ame]

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That would make a great engine for my motorcycle. Gotta head over to Mazda parts and see how much one of those things cost. They will be so happy I'm not asking for 24 year old RX7 parts anymore.

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not to mention the rx9, with that ambitious electric turbo rotary. Was just talking to a colleague today that's a total mazdahead, said that their prototypes got wiped out the tsunami a few years ago, including two rotary engineers.. This is all I can find on that info, though.. anyone know what happened? https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mazda-Tv/215948318504593

If you know what you're doing, they're awesome motors in my opinion.

If only they could have one produced that was more efficient and met the required standards.

the most painful irony is that the argument, "communism is a great idea" really isn't a great idea, and has been the nail in the liberal coffin since day 1 since they adopted the 'collective over the individual' paradigm. Humans are inherently flawed, so to try and perfect them into becoming rigid, like a number able to be moved around, is impossible. People in a position of power in communist political systems will have potential for corruption ad continuum. Only the problem of communism compounds the hurt by having these same people be the ones with the final say on who gets what.

Such a bullshit perspective but academia keeps continually championing what a "perfect world" it would be if only "communism worked in reality".. so far away from reality it hurts :offtopic:

I agree, the smoothness and of a rotary, coupled with that hellish 2 stroke type scream is amazing, you really do have to rev the crap out of them to get going...well on the renesis atleast.

I considered buying one, and i know a forum is not the place to look, as only people with issue post about it, while there are thousands of other happy owners out there that are none the wiser....

The Fuel consumption along with having to add 2 stroke oil for engine longivity was kindoff a deal breaker for me....

No time for the mindless bandwagon haters.

Don't like it on the merits, fuel consumption for example, fine. Hate it because someone told you too, good luck going through life making decisions like that.

Communism, no; it's far more "unfair" than the most rapacious capitalism. Socialism, at its most basic, works. It works as long as you don't introduce humans into the system.

"Why I like Mazda engineers"

Now Mad, does anybody truly "like" an engineer? Even engineers frequently don't "like" engineers.
Tolerate, suffer through, put up with or even appreciate I can agree to but "like" is a pretty strong word!

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I wish I could buy another FC3S. I loved that thing. The body styling is beautiful. It was such a maintenance nightmare though. I spent more nights in the garage than I did out driving it. And mine was in really good condition. I am currently in the process of a Turbo II FC3S track car build with a good friend and its so much more stressful than a 4 cylinder build. Parts are hard to come by, have been discontinued, or are super expensive. Tuners are getting scarce too. Regardless of my past experience and the fact that I know their faults, every now and them I do a craigslist search for them...just in case.

LOL at how wrong this post is. And another LOL on how butthurt someone got when a rotary was compared to communism.

That's super funny stuff right there.

If we're going to compare an engine design to an economic philosophy I'd say the Rotary more closely reflects the outcome of Trickle Down. It was adopted in the 80's, didn't work the way it was promised, only benefited a tiny minority at the loss of the majority but yet a certain group of people keep pushing the agenda in the face of overwhelming evidence to its contrary.

Sounds a lot like a reality of the rotary to me.


Please Mazda, let the affair die.. She's an abusive girlfriend and she's no good for you, she never will be.. Just let her go man.. just let her go.

Best metaphor ever!

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You forgot to mention the lasers.

:party0030:


Also, OP that article is 2 years old...

Edit: @rice_classic I think you're being a little unfair in your comparison. The ****bags that push trickle down, voodoo, Reaganomics whatever screw over everyone. The rotary does not screw over other enthusiasts, only helps by diversifying the field and adding competition.

:burnrubber:


Edit2: If I had all the money in the world I'd take one of those little suckers, slap two or three of them together and drop it in a Honda S500-800 chassis (of course a roller with no hope of originality).

I think those engineers should continue their rotary development without pay...

In the meantime the world will continue to fund development of efficient, emissions friendly propulsion systems for vehicles.

Loved it when I was able to drive it without worries. I had a clean FB, I loved it every moment when I drove it, the engine note is unique to anything out there right now. But it was old and has its issues pretty much every time I take it out... I got tired of that and sold it. If I had more time and maybe more knowledge on how to do everything myself then I wouldn't be afraid to get into it again.

OK maybe I am crazy...

I am aware of how unreliable Rotary Engines can be (and are).

But when they are running right...they are soooo smooth and sound great.

I Middle School, a man that I use to babysit for, he had a convertible FC RX-7. He would drop the top and pick me up to babysit his 2 year old...and I will never forget how it sounded with the top down.

He always said you had to treat it like a 2-Stroke engine and he would bitch about Apex Seals about every 2-3 years.

His was in great shape...and still had its issues...but when it was working...it was pretty sweet.

Because of this, ALL RX7's make me feel nostalgic.

I'm confused.... are you in love with the rotary? Or are you in love with the man you used to baby sit for?

So much rotary hate... I miss mine more everyday. Though I see why new ones cannot be made in today's regulations/MPG. I would pay the premium for it though.

I really wish we could have seen their 16X evolve from more than just concept, but oh well.

We need an FE RX7 so badly. I still love the FD sooo much.

The car...maybe you are confused about your sexuality?

I've always wanted and FD (just never the right time) and I almost bought an RX8 instead of my FRS.

Fuel economy was the concern for me at the time, as well as the overall size of the vehicle (too big).

Some days I wonder what could have been.

If I had more money than I knew what to do with, sure Id buy myself a FD or FC and build it.

I always described my FC like dating a stripper. It will wreck your house, bang your freinds and steal your money, but every now and then it will bang the shit out of you and you almost forget all that shit it put you through.

All the bullshit of taking care of it was worth it when I was ripping down the highway like a rabid chainsaw.

The whole "rotaries aren't reliable" thing is a specious argument. My engine ran like a Swiss watch. All my problems were caused by the sketchy wiring in the FC. The engine itself, when the car's wiring was working halfway correctly never let me down. That is because, ahem, I KNOW HOW TO FUCKING MAINTAIN THE DAMNED THING!

Fire it up, don't let it flood. Again, not an engine problem, that's a computer problem. Flood out an old Chevy V8 and see how that works for you. Not a "rotary thing."

Warm it up before you start pushing on it. Again, start beating on your piston engine when it's cold; not a "rotary thing."

Run non-synthetic oil because the engine oil is also injected into the combustion chambers to lube your rotor seals. What do you think the oil splashed onto your cylinders is doing for your piston rings? True, you need to check your oil regularly, but do you just assume your oil level in your piston engine is adequate between changes? I don't. I check any engine regularly including my rotary and the consumption is negligible. My truck eats more because of aeration and blowing it out through the PCV. Compression is good, the crank just slaps through standing oil and causes problem. THAT is a BS design, but I'm not here to slam Daihatsu.

Premixing, well, that's a subject of much debate within the rotary community. Some say it's not necessary, some say it's all you should run, I'm in the middle. I kept my OMP and added a shot of Motul to the gas. I'm a big 2 stroke lover too, though, so, again, premixing is not some mysterious thing for me. Here's all it is. I have my bottle of oil and my little 100cc graduated cylinder and spend the grand total of an extra minute measuring oil out and dumping that in before filling it up. Ever dump a bottle of octane boost or injector cleaner into the tank of your piston car? It's that damned difficult.

Don't overheat a rotary. Hey, guess what, don't overheat any engine. Duh. :slap:

Don't lean out a rotary. It blows seals. Detonation kills any motor. You know what a blown apex seal is, a broken piston ring. No motor will live forever if you are denying it the correct mixture and timing for the boost you are running.

Rotaries use a lot of fuel, true, oh so true. That's a legit deal breaker for a lot of people.

Rotaries are a different animal than a piston engine and require a person to start at zero and learn a new concept. That is also a legit deal breaker for a lot of people.

In the end, though, it's a machine and it works until you don't do what you are supposed to do then it breaks. It's not the machine's fault if the knucklehead operator abuses it.

Mazda didn't win LeMans in 91 because their car was the fastest, it wasn't. They won because the faster cars broke, the piston cars broke. Now, it was silly things that broke, but using rotary hater "logic" the fact that they broke is all that matters, they broke, they had piston engines so piston engines are unreliable.

I don't actually believe that. I only use it to illustrate the silliness of the bandwagon misinformed hater.

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How can a rotary fan be mad when our main detractors are guys like this? :lol:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3peVDKV6OE"]Parody: Rotary vs Piston Engine Explained for Dummies - YouTube[/ame]

It's more like this, guy. :burnrubber:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOw_3wUmljg"]750hp 3 Rotor RX7 vs GT-R vs Blown Camaro - YouTube[/ame]


Oh, and by the way. How many Japanese manufacturers have won LeMans? Yeah.

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Your entire position on "how to properly operate a Rotary Engine" and the comparisons to a carburated v8 is apples and oranges.

That you disagree only adds weight. Have you met you?

You are a fanboi. Get over it.

I never said you were incorrect. Anything properly maintained and operated will do exactly what its supposed to do.

I said your comparison is apples and oranges.

The fact that you get so defensive when anyone disagrees with you or you THINK they disagree with you proves that you have self esteem problems and are compensating for something.

I've met Hundreds of guys just like you when I served my country. You're nothing to waste time on.

No, just you, You've earned it. Not sure what your serving your country reference is all about, but I'm sure in your mind it's relevant.

Listen, you can take you're thread wherever you want. But Rotary is dead, let it die, move on.

Rotary is, pretty much, dead. Then again, so is the Skyline as far as I'm concerned and cars that just do what you tell them to do.

Its great that somebody invented an alternate combustion engine design.

A turbine is another one.

Any machine that works as a pump or compressor can be a combustion engine.

In this day and age there is no discernible advantage to a consumer market rotary powered car. Period.

And, I hate Mazda :)

Hmmm... An engine you need to follow maintenance to the letter, then still cross your fingers that the apex seals don't randomly blow because the triangle-pushing fairies were drunk that Tuesday. Versus a shit ton of piston engines which survive with cursory, apathetic maintenance.

Yet both are 'equally' reliable...

I had a coworker that had triangles for brains tell me all the time about the wonders of 12As and 13Bs as he would pull them out and apart on his lunch breaks. I saw him personally replace 5 motors in 3 cars over 3 years. I've examined eccentric shafts, heard about dowel pinning the housings to increase longevity, and how apex seals are unpredictable no matter what you do. All learned from a rotory fan.

Rotaries suck balls everywhere except their compact size.

No finger crossing required. Every rotorhead I know has had the learning curve of a few popped motors. After that they learned how to build, tune and maintain them all was well. I didn't have to do that with mine. I learned by watching their mistakes. Saves a bunch of money and bad feelings.

Economically viable, not at all. The rotary will always be an "also ran" design, same with the turbine engine. That's ok, though. There's something out there for everybody.

Hell, all my Nissan buddies were ready to schedule an intervention when I said I liked the Leaf. To them, me looking at an electric car meant I must be abandoning internal combustion.

No, in the same way I can think outside the box and enjoy a rotary or a 2 stroke, so can I keep an open mind about electric. THAT'S the future, not rotors or pistons.

In 20 years when our gas-burning cars are an anachronism and probably seeing less and less places where they can be operated in first world countries I'll still have at least one because I understand it and like them.

I'll drive an electric, sure, if it looks like this!

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I2b9JhsuVE"]TG drives the Citroen Survolt - BBC Top Gear - YouTube[/ame]

Haha. This is fun. :-)

I couldn't agree more.

One of my best buddies is a rotary fanboy.

I've grown up with him. I've watched him blow up a half dozen engines at least, in the same number of years. He has ZERO appreciation for any other car ever made. Vintage Toyotas, Alfas, Maserati, Aston, TVR, Fiat, Lancia...all are utter s#it as far as he's concerned. He doesn't even like the old NSUs.

I can't help but notice that he's set a new record with the car he currently drives. He hasn't blown the motor yet and it's been like five years. His Fiancé's parent's Camry. :-)

Your friend is silly, then. His inability to appreciate other designs is just as bad. He deserves to drive a Camry, ewww!

Hell, it would have loved to drive a turbine car, but that never really got traction.

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I hear similar BS arguments about diesel. Not fast? ORLY?

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Dirty? Not nearly as bad as in the past.

Um...

So, err... as reliable as a Civic I guess...

:D

As long as reliability is the reason to have it, are Civics reliable anymore? My coworkers new Fit hybrid has been back to the dealer for major corrective action over five times. I'm really shocked. Reliability use to be a given with Hondas. :iono:

This guy went from zero knowledge about rotaries, through several popped motors to this beast. He now knows how to handle them and doesn't have trouble even at over 5 large to the wheels.

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I tried staging behind him on my 600 and the prostart fireballs almost set my legs on fire.

Putting aside the technical gathering that will never be settled by forums.

A rotary is something to be experienced at least once, the reliability is questionable at best, but it's a special engine. Can the problems that cripple them be fixed? Yet again, questionaoble. I'd like to see what Mazda can do, because the skyactive stuff isn't all that interesting.

When i go to Greece i see a ton of RX8's. Now Greek people can be cheap on a lot of things (I know, i am one), so those things are running on those streets some way or another...

Biggest problem with them from a future point of view (assuming you can find the right magical spell for apex seal reliability) is how they are fundamentally restricted on their induction and exhaust event timing, as well as flow efficiency. There is no VVT-i or VTEC available with a rotary. Their 'cams' are based on port shape as it is 'revealed' or 'opened' by the rotor/apex seal passing over it. These shapes are fixed so they can't play with overlap/no overlap like VVT-i or open bigger like VTEC's high lift lobe. The other problem is these ports are shape limited by the thickness of the part that separates the 'barrel' part of the housing. This restricts potential flow by requiring a more significant bend in the tract. And the timing 'reveal' shape is also not ideal from a flow perspective when it comes to turbulence. Finally they are compression limited by geometry.

They're at best 'neat' and typically rebuild time-bombs to Joe Average or maintenance intensive for Joe Rotary.

I wasn't referring to the enthusiasts getting screwed over. you got the metaphor backwards.

"The benefit of a small minority is at the detriment of the majority".

Mazda and its shareholders are the majority and the enthusiast is the minority in that metaphor.

TIL more people work at Mazda and benefit from their business than the hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, that bought Rotary powered vehicles and sports cars that benefitted from Mazda's 'waste of time'.

I'll skip the argument that Mazda benefitted from having a sports car that won motor racing events and hearts because if it were true companies would be producing more sports cars that actually race.
:sigh:

Edit, Actually...

So that's roughly a bit over 2 million rotaries sold by Mazda.