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Hardway 02-18-2015 11:56 PM

FR-S After One Year
 
Sunday February 15th 2015 marked the one year anniversary of owning and driving my FR-S as a daily driver. In that time I have changed jobs twice, purchased my current '71 240z in which I wrote a comparison post about, and spoken with countless people at work, gas stations, and various events about the FR-S. In addition I have met several FR-S and BRZ owners along the way and most of us share the same opinions of the car.


A quick re-cap of the car and how I acquired it. It is a 2013 6MT with the base Pioneer radio, optional spoiler, trunk mat, and front LED accent lights. The car is a lease and therefore the only modification has been replacing the LED lights with projector style fog lights. As of writing this post I have 5,316 miles on the odometer and since the car had 278 miles on it when I started the lease I have covered 5,038 miles. The biggest reason for the low mileage is that I used to work less than 5 miles from my home and I was unemployed for a few months as well. The car also plays second fiddle to my wife's Ford Escape Titanium as we use it to travel just about everywhere since it carries a lot more cargo, more people, and our two dogs. Back to the topic of miles and mileage, as of today the best real MPG I have calculated at fill up is 27.1. This did not happen until recently as my new job 16 miles away and the majority of my drive is on toll ways with a speed limit of 80mph. Prior to this the best I ever saw was around 24 - 25 MPG.


For a daily driver the FR-S is truly a fun car with a good dose of practicality. A few qualities that make it a great daily driver include, it is a hard top, has a real trunk, rides firm but not harsh, has plenty of useable power for all driving scenarios, great brakes, and handles well on all types of dry pavement. On the last item let me add that living in central TX does not afford many opportunities to drive on wet roads and snow or ice has not been an event I have had to deal with. If it was, I worked from home that day. Back to driving and the rewards the FR-S gives for driving it. When driving to work, to the store, or anywhere there is almost always at least one gratifying moment while behind the wheel. This could be taking a corner at an enthusiastic speed, winding the engine out on entrance ramp, or getting a series of great shifts along the way. More often than not I have enjoyed driving the car far more than the destination I arrived at. I know that statement is rather cliché’ but in the FR-S it is true.


The longest trip I took in the car was to Brenham TX which was around 88 miles each way and during the trip the car never felt uncomfortable. I was able to leave the cruise set at 75mph and pretty much cruise along. I am 5’6” and around 170lbs and the seats were surprisingly comfortable on the trip. In fact, the only time the car ever feels uncomfortable is when I have to wear a suit. Maybe it is just me but the car feels smaller on the days I am wearing a suit and tie.


With a lot of positives to talk about there are a few negatives, some known and some just from my personal experience. One of the biggest and annoying part of owning the FR-S is the well-known squeaky direct injection pump affectionately known by owners as “crickets”. It is so noticeable that I now pick up on an FR-S or BRZ rolling nearby when I hear it. The cold 2nd gear is an annoyance and I am seriously thinking about changing my transmission fluid to see if that really helps. For now I have just been shifting from 1st to 3rd and it has been okay but every once awhile I really need 2nd and the transmission has not warmed up enough yet for a smooth engagement. The only other negative I have to report is the cheap feeling of the HVAC function selector or the rotary knob to the far left. I know this is right out of a Corolla but it honestly feels like junk when you turn it. Sure, it’s a cost saving piece but really, it’s just shameful to have it in the FR-S and even in the Corolla, Toyota could do better. Another cost saving & weight saving issue is the lack of sound deadening. If I knew I was going to keep the car it would already have a few layers of Dynamat or equivalent in it. Some better tires would probably help too. As of right now its livable but it does test my nerves sometimes when I am doing 80+ on the toll way. No matter how loud the radio is you can still hear the howl from the tires.


To conclude, I still very much like the FR-S and enjoy driving it. I still have 2 more years on my lease and 29K miles which I doubt I will reach. I will admit, I have toyed around with the idea of putting it up to see if someone would take over the lease and I would just pay cash for something else. At the same time I do question if I would miss driving it and right now that answer is yes. If I could get in to a position where the FR-S could be a toy car like my 240z, that would be perfect. After all, they do look good sitting in the garage together!


I would love to hear from other owners at the one year mark and beyond and see if my thoughts are in line with yours. Please do not post up any flack about me leasing the car. It has nothing to do with me not being a serious car person, just ask my wife. It was a financial decision and a good one so far.

N1rve 02-19-2015 12:15 AM

My FRS hit the one year mark back on December 2014. I acquired it December 1st 2013.

I agree that this car is practical and that there is enough useable power for daily driving. By the time I hit around 4-5k RPM I'm already breaking the speed limit.

I've only done a few mods to my car, JDM tips, JDM Spoiler, OEM Fogs, drop in filter, and tint. But I think this car looks great stock.

I don't constantly have crickets oddly, but I did recently have my engine rebuild which was the only fault.

Aside from that, this car has been fun to drive and makes my 20 mile (one way) commute fun. It's fun to make sharp turns and hear the Torsen limit the slip and chirp the tires. I've been averaging 25 MPH in some pretty bad LA Traffic.

I've only spent 50 dollars on maintenance for the past year and that was for my drop in filter.

hanabie 02-19-2015 12:16 AM

o.o

campy 02-19-2015 12:32 AM

I took delivery of my FRS on December 28, 2012. It still feels like a new car to me hahah

8R6 02-19-2015 12:38 AM

my 1yr is coming up this sunday :cool: i just rolled past 16,000 miles today on my way back home. :/ i was averaging about 900/miles a month until i moved to a new place in december... and now my commute doubled in mileage which sucks, but i finally have a private 2 car garage which is totally worth it lol

humfrz 02-19-2015 01:44 AM

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Welp, I've had my FR-S for a bit over a year now.

The granddaughters love the cozy back seat ..... they call it pa-pa's "cool" car!

Mrs humfrz .... not as impressed ..... she does say it "naps" good!

As for me, it gets me up into the mountains ..... for "fun" driving!


humfrz

2much 02-19-2015 02:38 AM

mines been just about 2 years even. I still like mine

funwheeldrive 02-19-2015 03:19 AM

I bought mine on Valentine's Day last year. If anything, I enjoy the car now more than I did in the first couple of months. I've owned plenty of faster cars than the FRS, so initially the torque was pretty disapointing at times. However, the more time I spend behind the wheel, the more I realize just how much this car loves to be pushed. I'm keeping my revs higher, and braking later because I know the car can handle it. I look forward to spending even more time with it and pushing my own limits as a driver.

ToySub1946 02-19-2015 04:56 AM

2015 FRS man trans here. I've owned it just four months.
I'm 68yo and this car just totally rocks !
I've owned over 55 cars in my lifetime...this one rules !
current miles on my FRS 11,280.
Suggest you get in it, put a lot more miles on it...more smiles.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...34#post2128734

Vincenttam 02-19-2015 07:03 AM

Aww man, i had my car for a year and the only thing that happened to me was getting laid... Meh good enough

billyk 02-19-2015 08:52 AM

OP: every time an owner mentions the "shift into 2nd when cold" issue, I feel compelled to offer this fix. Read my post here.

Sure, you can buy new tranny oil (which won't assure a fix btw), or you can just shift your car in a manner that allows it to smoothly shift into 2nd, as it was designed.

In MD right now, we are being "treated" to temps in the single digits with 10-15 degrees below zero wind chill temps. Every single time I start my FRS when it's totally frozen, it shifts flawlessly into 2nd, if I just let that syncro spin-up. Perfect. Simple.

Dadhawk 02-19-2015 08:57 AM

Nice write-up @Hardway thanks for sharing. I'm coming up fast on 3 years with mine and I can say my positive experience is similar to yours, and we could nitpick the negatives, plus I have an AT which doesn't have the 2nd gear issue you mention.

As far as the crickets, well, my car either doesn't have them or they are outside my range of hearing. I can also say I've not been close enough to another one in 3 years "in the wild" to notice if I can hear them. I've passed some but its usually at a distance or the other corner of an intersection.

Not sure I understand the part about the HVAC selector knob, I've never turned it and thought "hmmm, cheap, wonder what Toyota was thinking". I know others have complained about it, but to me its just a selector knob. Straightforward and functional, and I can use it without looking at it. That's my only requirements.

Road noise, yea I guess its there at speed, but I kind of expect that in a sports car.

Tcoat 02-19-2015 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by billyk (Post 2138704)
OP: every time an owner mentions the "shift into 2nd when cold" issue, I feel compelled to offer this fix. Read my post here.

Sure, you can buy new tranny oil (which won't assure a fix btw), or you can just shift your car in a manner that allows it to smoothly shift into 2nd, as it was designed.

In MD right now, we are being "treated" to temps in the single digits with 10-15 degrees below zero wind chill temps. Every single time I start my FRS when it's totally frozen, it shifts flawlessly into 2nd, if I just let that syncro spin-up. Perfect. Simple.

Same here. I have never once had an issue with 2nd regardless of temperature just by using the same technique.

billyk 02-19-2015 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2138724)
Same here. I have never once had an issue with 2nd regardless of temperature just by using the same technique.

I have a growing suspicion that the way syncros work may not be fully understood by all FRS/BRZ owners (I am just a recent convert myself) and that not accommodating for syncro spin-up when cold is really at the root of the dreaded "2nd gear issues" for most, if not all owners.

Ddreder 02-19-2015 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by billyk (Post 2138820)
I have a growing suspicion that the way syncros work may not be fully understood by all FRS/BRZ owners (I am just a recent convert myself) and that not accommodating for syncro spin-up when cold is really at the root of the dreaded "2nd gear issues" for most, if not all owners.

I read your post but I dont think I understand what you're getting at.. Are you saying that when you take of in first that you should just sit in that gear longer? or maybe at a certain speed for 5ish seconds before shifting? I only ask because I think I might try this today and see if it helps. Everytime I go for second gear it is a clunkfest and it feels like a beaten up transmission. For reference my 90 miata isnt even that bad and it has had a long hard life full of clutch kicks and side steps. I am just getting mega frustrated and I even had the dealer "check it out" which they didnt do squat. I think I am going to have to take them for a ride along because I really dont think that it is supposed to do that.. plus constant gear lockouts when up shifting and downshifting are getting on my nerves.. :mad0259:

Koa 02-19-2015 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ddreder (Post 2139119)
I read your post but I dont think I understand what you're getting at.. Are you saying that when you take of in first that you should just sit in that gear longer? or maybe at a certain speed for 5ish seconds before shifting? I only ask because I think I might try this today and see if it helps. Everytime I go for second gear it is a clunkfest and it feels like a beaten up transmission. For reference my 90 miata isnt even that bad and it has had a long hard life full of clutch kicks and side steps. I am just getting mega frustrated and I even had the dealer "check it out" which they didnt do squat. I think I am going to have to take them for a ride along because I really dont think that it is supposed to do that.. plus constant gear lockouts when up shifting and downshifting are getting on my nerves.. :mad0259:

Yes- 'hang' in first for a little longer than normal, sweeping up to around 3k rpm or so. Then shift into second like normal.

Takes a little practice but his advice is sound and I've been enjoying great results so far with the technique. I sometimes get the notch/clunk... but that's due to me being lazy or dropping the gate too quickly/not at the right rpm

gzpermadi 02-19-2015 02:56 PM

My built date is this month so 2 years for me :)

tennisfreak 02-19-2015 02:57 PM

Mine hits the 2 year mark soon.

1st year I was in love with the car and had big plans for it.

(right at the first year mark I bought a 600 supersport bike which changed my plans for the car)

2nd year the small annoyances have started to dwindle my love for the car.

D_Thissen 02-19-2015 04:57 PM

I've had my car for a bit over a year. Picked it up Feb 14 2014. Only have 9500km on it but I love it. Only problem I had was the block heater failing, had it replaced, it failed again lol. So 3rd block heater seems to be holding out so far. No one knows why the others failed (the 2nd failed in a month) oh well. Looking forward to another good year with my 86!

Tcoat 02-19-2015 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by D_Thissen (Post 2139430)
I've had my car for a bit over a year. Picked it up Feb 14 2014. Only have 9500km on it but I love it. Only problem I had was the block heater failing, had it replaced, it failed again lol. So 3rd block heater seems to be holding out so far. No one knows why the others failed (the 2nd failed in a month) oh well. Looking forward to another good year with my 86!

I know why they failed!!!!

D_Thissen 02-19-2015 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2139441)
I know why they failed!!!!

Bahahaha I know man. I'm in Whitby right now for dads bday. Man I miss it down here. I think they have more snow ;)

Hot Lava 02-19-2015 05:41 PM

I've owned mine for a year now. The two things that I've grown to appreciate are surprising because at the time of purchase I didn't even consider them as selling points. First would be the transmission. At first it was a pain to drive. Over revving and stalling it while launching. Jerky gear shifts. This after a many years of driving manuals. Forced me to concentrate on proper shifting techniques. I've grown to appreciate the precise feel and function. With mastery came a pleasant discovery. The trans responds amazing well to aggressive shifting.
The second was the ride quality. I can't over state the sensation of confidence it transmits. Whether just cruising in traffic or pushing it over uneven roads. It just radiates this 'I'm there for you buddy' confidence.

Koa 02-19-2015 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincenttam (Post 2138684)
Aww man, i had my car for a year and the only thing that happened to me was getting laid... Meh good enough

vincent.. I don't always facepalm... but lawd

:barf:

MokSpeed 02-19-2015 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2138708)
Not sure I understand the part about the HVAC selector knob, I've never turned it and thought "hmmm, cheap, wonder what Toyota was thinking". I know others have complained about it, but to me its just a selector knob.

To me this can be seen as an aesthetic preference. I'd be lying if I said I don't prefer the console setup inside the BRZ. It just looks more complete. That being said, it's not a big enough of a difference to make me choose it over the FR-S.

I'm coming up on the 1 year mark and about to hit 20,000 miles. I think I should cool it on the distance driving.

Silver Ignition 02-19-2015 06:46 PM

I rolled over a year just about two weeks ago...21,000 miles :cry:

I love the car more and more every day, still struggling to find a fault in it...



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Originally Posted by MokSpeed (Post 2139579)
To me this can be seen as an aesthetic preference. I'd be lying if I said I don't prefer the console setup inside the BRZ. It just looks more complete. That being said, it's not a big enough of a difference to make me choose it over the FR-S.

I'm coming up on the 1 year mark and about to hit 20,000 miles. I think I should cool it on the distance driving.

I can second this. I have the "BRZ" auto climate control in my 10 and I honestly wouldn't have it any other way. One of the main selling points for me to get the 10 Series over the base FRS.

billyk 02-19-2015 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ddreder (Post 2139119)
I read your post but I dont think I understand what you're getting at.. Are you saying that when you take of in first that you should just sit in that gear longer? or maybe at a certain speed for 5ish seconds before shifting? I only ask because I think I might try this today and see if it helps. Everytime I go for second gear it is a clunkfest and it feels like a beaten up transmission. For reference my 90 miata isnt even that bad and it has had a long hard life full of clutch kicks and side steps. I am just getting mega frustrated and I even had the dealer "check it out" which they didnt do squat. I think I am going to have to take them for a ride along because I really dont think that it is supposed to do that.. plus constant gear lockouts when up shifting and downshifting are getting on my nerves.. :mad0259:

Further to what Koa added, here's a little more detail to make sure you get the concept.

Previously, this is what I did on a cold morning...
1. Start the car and warm it up a bit.
2. Put it in first, accelerate briskly.
3. Within 2 seconds "try" to shift into 2nd. Doesn't work. I am totally locked out. I shift into 3rd instead.
4. I bitch out loud and wonder why my new FRS has such a horrid defect.
Now, this is what I do on a cold morning...
1. Start the car and warm it up a bit.
2. Put it in first, accelerate slowly. Remain in first gear for about 5 seconds. Yes, this feels like an eternity. This gives the cold syncro time to spin-up to synchronize the shift into 2nd.
3. I shift into 2nd. Smooth, no effort.
5. Smile.
Hope this clarifies things.

NyC Zn6 02-19-2015 07:52 PM

Had my car for 1year and 7 months with only 8000 miles lol..car only comes out in the spring and summer. Other than not driving as much my 86 is awesome. I always had a soft spot for lightweight rwd cars. So she's a keeper. No problems so far (fingers crossed).

Tcoat 02-19-2015 08:06 PM

Only 6 months but at over 17,000 miles (and that is lower then normal) I figure I can chime in anyway!
Not one single issue!

Mini&aVette 02-19-2015 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by billyk (Post 2139676)
Further to what Koa added, here's a little more detail to make sure you get the concept.

Previously, this is what I did on a cold morning...
1. Start the car and warm it up a bit.
2. Put it in first, accelerate briskly.
3. Within 2 seconds "try" to shift into 2nd. Doesn't work. I am totally locked out. I shift into 3rd instead.
4. I bitch out loud and wonder why my new FRS has such a horrid defect.
Now, this is what I do on a cold morning...
1. Start the car and warm it up a bit.
2. Put it in first, accelerate slowly. Remain in first gear for about 5 seconds. Yes, this feels like an eternity. This gives the cold syncro time to spin-up to synchronize the shift into 2nd.
3. I shift into 2nd. Smooth, no effort.
5. Smile.
Hope this clarifies things.

This won't make you feel any better but in my 2008 C6 I had to skip 2nd until my gearbox warmed up and my car was garage kept.

billyk 02-19-2015 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mini&aVette (Post 2139870)
This won't make you feel any better but in my 2008 C6 I had to skip 2nd until my gearbox warmed up and my car was garage kept.

I am 100% fine with accommodating a cold transmission! I am trying to spread the word that there may not be any "2nd gear issue" that warrants return trips to the shop or swapping gear oil. No need to skip 2nd either!

Tcoat 02-19-2015 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by billyk (Post 2139985)
I am 100% fine with accommodating a cold transmission! I am trying to spread the word that there may not be any "2nd gear issue" that warrants return trips to the shop or swapping gear oil. No need to skip 2nd either!

I got your back on this one!

billyk 02-20-2015 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by billyk (Post 2139985)
I am 100% fine with accommodating a cold transmission! I am trying to spread the word that there may not be any "2nd gear issue" that warrants return trips to the shop or swapping gear oil. No need to skip 2nd either!

Unhappy to report wind chill in MD -20/lower degrees when I left for work this AM. Happy to report no issues with 2nd gear. :)

anishb 02-20-2015 10:15 AM

Got mine on August 10, 2013 started working on it at the 1 year mark. I do have that chirping noise, but other than that everything is good.

Timmy_Jones 02-20-2015 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hardway (Post 2138421)
[FONT=&quot] In fact, the only time the car ever feels uncomfortable is when I have to wear a suit. Maybe it is just me but the car feels smaller on the days I am wearing a suit and tie.

I have no idea why, but I completely agree. Like the bolsters wrap around me more?? Car feels fine with my winter coat, but a suit jacket is stifling.

Nice writeup, agree with most of the things you've said.

Ddreder 02-20-2015 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by billyk (Post 2139676)
Further to what Koa added, here's a little more detail to make sure you get the concept.

Previously, this is what I did on a cold morning...
1. Start the car and warm it up a bit.
2. Put it in first, accelerate briskly.
3. Within 2 seconds "try" to shift into 2nd. Doesn't work. I am totally locked out. I shift into 3rd instead.
4. I bitch out loud and wonder why my new FRS has such a horrid defect.
Now, this is what I do on a cold morning...
1. Start the car and warm it up a bit.
2. Put it in first, accelerate slowly. Remain in first gear for about 5 seconds. Yes, this feels like an eternity. This gives the cold syncro time to spin-up to synchronize the shift into 2nd.
3. I shift into 2nd. Smooth, no effort.
5. Smile.
Hope this clarifies things.

Hmmm I gave this a shot a few times yesterday and I could get it to behave any differently. I dont get locked out of second while driving normally. I just get a series of clunks while going to second and it just sounds like I have been drifting in second for the whole life of the car.. Anyways I have since parked it and started driving my miata so hopefully when I go back to my FR-S I will love it again. A little change in scenery can clear up a lot of things, at least for me :)

Tcoat 02-20-2015 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ddreder (Post 2140772)
Hmmm I gave this a shot a few times yesterday and I could get it to behave any differently. I dont get locked out of second while driving normally. I just get a series of clunks while going to second and it just sounds like I have been drifting in second for the whole life of the car.. Anyways I have since parked it and started driving my miata so hopefully when I go back to my FR-S I will love it again. A little change in scenery can clear up a lot of things, at least for me :)

HMMMM odd. Works for me every single time even at -28 this morning. I have never once had an issue shifting into 2nd and it is as smooth as the rest of the gears all the time.

Caspeed 02-20-2015 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by billyk (Post 2139676)
Further to what Koa added, here's a little more detail to make sure you get the concept.

Previously, this is what I did on a cold morning...
1. Start the car and warm it up a bit.
2. Put it in first, accelerate briskly.
3. Within 2 seconds "try" to shift into 2nd. Doesn't work. I am totally locked out. I shift into 3rd instead.
4. I bitch out loud and wonder why my new FRS has such a horrid defect.
Now, this is what I do on a cold morning...
1. Start the car and warm it up a bit.
2. Put it in first, accelerate slowly. Remain in first gear for about 5 seconds. Yes, this feels like an eternity. This gives the cold syncro time to spin-up to synchronize the shift into 2nd.
3. I shift into 2nd. Smooth, no effort.
5. Smile.
Hope this clarifies things.

These little "issues" are what gives a car it's character. You learn how to live with the car as it is. All The British and Italian cars I've know have had alot of character. Some of them sucked, but all were fun to drive.

billyk 02-20-2015 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ddreder (Post 2140772)
Hmmm I gave this a shot a few times yesterday and I could get it to behave any differently. I dont get locked out of second while driving normally. I just get a series of clunks while going to second and it just sounds like I have been drifting in second for the whole life of the car.. Anyways I have since parked it and started driving my miata so hopefully when I go back to my FR-S I will love it again. A little change in scenery can clear up a lot of things, at least for me :)

If you followed the instructions closely, maybe the different result could be chalked-up to variation between vehicles.

However, it would be really easy for a driver to actually not stay in 1st for the required time to spin-up the syncro when cold. Next time, consider remaining in 1st, keeping rpm's between 2-3k, for more than the specified 5 seconds - make it 10 seconds - and report back. If it doesn't slip right into 2nd, you've got some other variable(s) affecting the outcome.

haimichaeltran 02-21-2015 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2139761)
Only 6 months but at over 17,000 miles (and that is lower then normal) I figure I can chime in anyway!
Not one single issue!


Glad I'm not the only one driving the heck out of it. 6 months at 14,000 and no issues as well.

Tcoat 02-21-2015 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by haimichaeltran (Post 2141877)
Glad I'm not the only one driving the heck out of it. 6 months at 14,000 and no issues as well.

Oh there are a few of us! I am actually way down from my normal as one of the plants I work at (2 hours away) is down for retooling so I only go once a week instead of twice. @Koa is another high mileage roller.
I chuckle when I see the mileage of some of the guys with the car a year or more.


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