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0351USMC 02-18-2015 05:01 AM

JDM Cool Oil Filters
 
So while browsing on ft86speedfactory I came upon some oil filters from well known JDM companies (Cusco, Blitz, Greddy and HKS). I know the HKS and Cusco have neodymium magnets to help pull metal out of the oil.

So what's the verdict on these 4?

Please no "just use stock" etc etc etc. Not asking those opinions.

maxjedi 02-18-2015 05:05 AM

I use HKS, because it's pink. Looks good in my engine bay.

0351USMC 02-18-2015 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by maxjedi (Post 2137086)
I use HKS, because it's pink. Looks good in my engine bay.

OK, 2 blue, one white and one pink. Let's factor the cool color factor in!!!

killboy 02-18-2015 05:15 AM

My tuner recommended the HKS for his excellent history with them...great filtering and the magnet is a definite bonus.

AZP Installs 02-20-2015 08:20 AM

I can't speak to those but if you are looking for an upgraded filter the Amsoil Extended life oil filters have served us well over the years. Personally I would look at filters from companies that specialize in filters, rather than companies that re-market other filters. Take a look at the companies you listed above and what their core business is.

-mike

was385 02-20-2015 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 0351USMC (Post 2137085)
So while browsing on ft86speedfactory I came upon some oil filters from well known JDM companies (Cusco, Blitz, Greddy and HKS). I know the HKS and Cusco have neodymium magnets to help pull metal out of the oil.

So what's the verdict on these 4?

Please no "just use stock" etc etc etc. Not asking those opinions.

Asking about oil filters is like asking about oil. You're going to get a lot of opinions based on little more than "well I ran this type and my car didn't blow up so it's good" or "I ran this type and my car had issues so it's bad".

0351USMC 02-20-2015 11:33 AM

Well I ended up buying the HKS so after I change it out I'll do a cutaway and comparison.

Muaddib 02-21-2015 01:28 AM

I would not use aftermarket oil filter under the warranty period.

0351USMC 02-21-2015 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Muaddib (Post 2141579)
I would not use aftermarket oil filter under the warranty period.

Any particular reason?

Koa 02-21-2015 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0351USMC (Post 2142013)
Any particular reason?

isn't it obvious? In case of catastrophic engine failure and you need to get it towed, dealership/corp can pull ANY sort of bs card if you use aftermarket safety parts. Yes, the oil filter is a safety part.

No, the HKS probably isn't worse than stock. But it's just red tape one needs to be cognisant of. Personally I would just keep a stock toyota filter on hand to screw in before the truck arrives if you're really worried about your engine. If it's stock don't worry about it

0351USMC 02-21-2015 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2142075)
isn't it obvious? In case of catastrophic engine failure and you need to get it towed, dealership/corp can pull ANY sort of bs card if you use aftermarket safety parts. Yes, the oil filter is a safety part.

No, the HKS probably isn't worse than stock. But it's just red tape one needs to be cognisant of. Personally I would just keep a stock toyota filter on hand to screw in before the truck arrives if you're really worried about your engine. If it's stock don't worry about it

"Should something go wrong, the warranty provider will need to determine the cause of the problem. The Federal Trade Commission says, “The manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage.” That means if the dealer can prove (the burden is on the dealer) the problem was caused by the wrong viscosity or a poor quality oil filter, your warranty can be denied. Warranty protection would still be in effect for other parts of the cars"

Let them try to prove an HKS filter under performed and caused damage

Muaddib 02-21-2015 07:38 PM

You can try to act tough but if you have a blown motor. You would be at the mercy of your dealership. I work for Toyota and i know what to avoid if i know it could be avoided.

Koa 02-22-2015 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0351USMC (Post 2142202)
"Should something go wrong, the warranty provider will need to determine the cause of the problem. The Federal Trade Commission says, “The manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage.” That means if the dealer can prove (the burden is on the dealer) the problem was caused by the wrong viscosity or a poor quality oil filter, your warranty can be denied. Warranty protection would still be in effect for other parts of the cars"

Let them try to prove an HKS filter under performed and caused damage

lol just trying to give you real advice.

doesn't matter whether or not you think it's a better product.

BRZnut 02-22-2015 04:48 PM

The do every thing they can to pass the costs to the owners....There is someone on the board who had rod knock and needed a new engine and the dealer denied his warrantee claim because he changed his own oil. (supposedly had receipts too!)

bababooey 02-22-2015 04:54 PM

Reading things like that doesn't give confidence in a major corp backing up their product. That's horseshit considering some may get warranties with blowers and track laps

OnkelC 02-22-2015 05:05 PM

the JDM TRD Oil filter would be the best of both worlds, then.
http://trdparts.jp/english/86_perfor...rts_other.html

Muaddib 02-22-2015 10:12 PM

For the price of one TRD filter. You could have 10 oem filters.

lazyluka 02-26-2015 09:16 PM

The TRD filter used to cost less than OEM here in NZ.

I think now it's only a tiny bit more expensive.

OkieSnuffBox 02-27-2015 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2142075)
isn't it obvious? In case of catastrophic engine failure and you need to get it towed, dealership/corp can pull ANY sort of bs card if you use aftermarket safety parts. Yes, the oil filter is a safety part.

No, the HKS probably isn't worse than stock. But it's just red tape one needs to be cognisant of. Personally I would just keep a stock toyota filter on hand to screw in before the truck arrives if you're really worried about your engine. If it's stock don't worry about it



Please educate yourself on the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.


As long as the oil/oil filter used meets the requirements they can't deny the warranty because factory parts weren't used unless the are willing to provide the OEM oil/oil filter for the entire warranty period.

malave7567 02-27-2015 10:05 AM

Magnuson-Moss SHOULD protect you.

However, in reality, dealerships deny warranty work for a bunch of stupid reasons that make no sense. Then it is up to the customer to either lawyer up and fight the dealership on the basis of Magnuson-Moss, or try to find a better dealership. Either way, you end up being out time and possibly a nice chunk of money.

adamg 02-27-2015 10:34 AM

We're talking about oil filters right?
What about cabin filters? Is there a TRD version?
http://cinemafanatic.files.wordpress...4/superbad.jpg

Koa 02-27-2015 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 2149390)
Please educate yourself on the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.


As long as the oil/oil filter used meets the requirements they can't deny the warranty because factory parts weren't used unless the are willing to provide the OEM oil/oil filter for the entire warranty period.

Oh man, another 'mag moss warranty act' pass. Brother you don't need to get all high and mighty with me. I am an accounting manager at the corporate level for a billion dollar corporation. I work with more legal codes every week than most do during the whole year.

Don't take our advice and continue to run that oil filter. It's safe to assume nothing will happen. We're just warning to as to what b.s. dealerships can push back with- we never argued that dealerships would be SUCCESSFUL in their contention, nor have we ever argued the merits of your damn overly expensive pink filter. :thanks:

Andrew025 02-27-2015 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2149477)
Oh man, another 'mag moss warranty act' pass. Brother you don't need to get all high and mighty with me. I am an accounting manager at the corporate level for a billion dollar corporation. I work with more legal codes every week than most do during the whole year.

Don't take our advice and continue to run that oil filter. It's safe to assume nothing will happen. We're just warning to as to what b.s. dealerships can push back with- we never argued that dealerships would be SUCCESSFUL in their contention, nor have we ever argued the merits of your damn overly expensive pink filter. :thanks:

It'll all be worth it for that sweet ass-oil filter though.

Koa 02-27-2015 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew025 (Post 2149489)
It'll all be worth it for that sweet ass-oil filter though.

seriously.. some people. "but.. but.. Mag moss says they can't deny me!!"

lmfao. dude obviously never has worked with a dealership on a significant warranty claim with a modded vehicle.

OkieSnuffBox 02-27-2015 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2149477)
Oh man, another 'mag moss warranty act' pass. Brother you don't need to get all high and mighty with me. I am an accounting manager at the corporate level for a billion dollar corporation. I work with more legal codes every week than most do during the whole year.

Don't take our advice and continue to run that oil filter. It's safe to assume nothing will happen. We're just warning to as to what b.s. dealerships can push back with- we never argued that dealerships would be SUCCESSFUL in their contention, nor have we ever argued the merits of your damn overly expensive pink filter. :thanks:



OOohhh, an accounting manager!


And I'm responsible for all documentation for equipment from a $1xx,xxx,xxx company that must comply to all ANSI, OSHA, API, etc, regulations that go on huge industrial equipment, so I'm not particularly impressed.


I don't run that filter and didn't say I did. I hope you pay better attention to your spreadsheets at work. :)

Koa 02-27-2015 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 2149498)
OOohhh, an accounting manager!


And I'm responsible for all documentation for equipment from a $1xx,xxx,xxx company that must comply to all ANSI, OSHA, API, etc, regulations that go on huge industrial equipment, so I'm not particularly impressed.


I don't run that filter and didn't say I did. I hope you pay better attention to your spreadsheets at work. :)

So you're an operations manager or fixed asset/QC specialist? Cool. I oversee a whole team for those types of things. Documenting such equipment in such a rigid framework is the hardest thing ever, must come with a lot of decisions you make daily. Things change significantly when you move from medium sized business to a large operator, so come back to me when you guys are pulling 10 digit flows :)

Never tried to impress you by the way. Just saying don't act like I'm not aware what a oft-misquoted or misinterpreted law is. That's all. You seem to skim over the details of people's arguments/suggestions, though. So let me try this one more time:

I'm not saying you do run that filter; just don't be surprised if the dealership gives you shit about a safety part such as your oil filter given an instance where your motor has issues. That is all we are saying, yet you still keep pushing back like you're trying to justify that purchase so bad. Go ahead bud. Hope you don't stress out this much over every single purchase ;)

OkieSnuffBox 02-27-2015 11:41 AM

I have no intention of running a gimmick filter. OEM is fine for me. If I was concerned about the warranty I wouldn't have a bunch of stuff on the car that already voids it.


/threadjack

Koa 02-27-2015 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 2149525)
I have no intention of running a gimmick filter. OEM is fine for me. If I was concerned about the warranty I wouldn't have a bunch of stuff on the car that already voids it.


/threadjack

In my haste, I now realize that you aren't the OP.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

touché, good sir.

PeterFRS 02-27-2015 02:31 PM

just use OEM filters..

Sorry, I'm just trolling..
Use whatever you like they're all reputable companies..
But I guess when time comes to get warranty claim through, might become a hassle

I just like the toyota service department coffee too much to be bothered ordering oil filters online

0351USMC 02-27-2015 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2149533)
In my haste, I now realize that you aren't the OP.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

touché, good sir.

:threadjacked: Pulled out the popcorn for that pissing contest.

That pink JDM filter though....

In all seriousness my dealership can try to pull some BS. Helps that I work with the Feds and childhood friends with several lawyers who love a challenge and can write quite the threatening document if the dealership tries to defy 15 USC § 2301

0351USMC 02-27-2015 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamg (Post 2149448)
We're talking about oil filters right?
What about cabin filters? Is there a TRD version?
http://cinemafanatic.files.wordpress...4/superbad.jpg

:search:
My google-fu has turned up no cool JDM or TRD cabin air filter. My inner fanboy is crying (sarcasm)

OnkelC 03-02-2015 02:42 PM

I want a cabin air filter by K&N.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 03-02-2015 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0351USMC (Post 2142202)
"Should something go wrong, the warranty provider will need to determine the cause of the problem. The Federal Trade Commission says, “The manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage.” That means if the dealer can prove (the burden is on the dealer) the problem was caused by the wrong viscosity or a poor quality oil filter, your warranty can be denied. Warranty protection would still be in effect for other parts of the cars"

Let them try to prove an HKS filter under performed and caused damage


If you've seen what's happened to some of the owners you'd know that statement doesn't mean much. You are at complete mercy of the dealer until things escalate to a much higher level.......

Celadrielas 03-02-2015 06:40 PM

Just to add a small note to this, I will be getting oil changed at the dealership until my 100,000 mile / 7 year warranty expires.

I brought my car into the dealership after I got yet another exhaust leak. They tried to tell me the vehicle hadn't been properly maintained, but lost that due to service records since ownership have all be through the same dealer, and vehicle was bought CPO.

They finally tried to tell me it was clear I "Race the car" because I have aftermarket 225/40/r17 tires wrapped on the stock rims they told me were "aftermarket" at first.

End result, They are replacing my entire exhaust -- Header to muffler -- underwarranty on thursday and gave a stern warning because they had no footing. What was wrong? Bad gaskets. But the vehicle had an aftermarket overpipe (no other exhaust parts).

It sucks, but whatever. I'm not paying a dime for it so, whateves. I know it's not oil based, but it's the sort of crap dealers pull

Dezoris 03-03-2015 07:31 PM

Unless you have a very specific need to switch to a higher end filter the quality of the Tokyo Roki (OEM) is very good. Most every one on here who has tracked or done UOA has had no issues with filtration using them. This same(very similar) filter element was also used in the S2000, RX8 etc.


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