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KSpider 02-17-2015 05:05 PM

Story on my old supercharged BRZ (dealer currently still has it for sale)
 
http://rallyways.com/8932/supercharg...anyon-carving/


http://rallyways.com/wp-content/uplo...over_story.jpg

dannythetran 02-17-2015 05:23 PM

Would you parted out the toms :[

KSpider 02-17-2015 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dannythetran (Post 2136193)
Would you parted out the toms :[

Heh dealer bought with all parts. Only parted out the front pipe and smaller pulley since they made the car no longer carb legal

Porcupint 02-17-2015 11:23 PM

What does the audi/apr style badge say?

ashtray 02-18-2015 01:01 AM

How much is the dealer asking? 5,500 miles?! And I thought my 2013 was low at 7,500 miles. Wow.

Very nice looking car. Why did you sell it, and what did you replace it with?

BRZnut 02-18-2015 08:45 AM

Did not read the whole article , but why is you car for sale at the dealer?

pinski 02-18-2015 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ashtray (Post 2136939)
How much is the dealer asking? 5,500 miles?! And I thought my 2013 was low at 7,500 miles. Wow.

Very nice looking car. Why did you sell it, and what did you replace it with?

Looks like they're swinging for the fences and asking over $34k for it:

http://www.subaruelcajon.com/used/Su...vdp-recentCars

grass138 02-18-2015 10:34 AM

Just like the others, I'm curious why you sold it and what you replaced it with. Thanks.

ashtray 02-18-2015 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pinski (Post 2137185)
Looks like they're swinging for the fences and asking over $34k for it:

http://www.subaruelcajon.com/used/Su...vdp-recentCars

Yikes! Yeah, the write up even mentions how people shy away from modified cars bc if they go boom there's no warranty behind it - then they explain the work was done by a great shop. Ok, it seems like every writeup I read says that "install was done by Merlin the Magnificent at Yolo Subaru!", and they still aren't providing a level of comfort for buyer.

Honestly, they'll be lucky to get original MSRP on this car unless they can offer a 3yr warranty to ease the buyer's mind.

Super cool car though.

pinski 02-18-2015 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ashtray (Post 2137397)
Yikes! Yeah, the write up even mentions how people shy away from modified cars bc if they go boom there's no warranty behind it - then they explain the work was done by a great shop. Ok, it seems like every writeup I read says that "install was done by Merlin the Magnificent at Yolo Subaru!", and they still aren't providing a level of comfort for buyer.

Honestly, they'll be lucky to get original MSRP on this car unless they can offer a 3yr warranty to ease the buyer's mind.

Super cool car though.

That's pretty much what I was thinking exactly - if they offered it for the same price as a brand new BRZ, I would have a hard time turning it down, warranty or not. However, at $8k more than what I paid for mine brand new last year, I wouldn't even be tempted.

I wonder how long ago the OP traded it in, I remember seeing it at that dealership before, I think. It is a great example, but I think it's a hard sell over $30k.

KSpider 02-18-2015 01:09 PM

Hey guys, the dealer purchased the car from me May of last year with about 4500 on miles out give or take.

I sold it because it was an extra car that sat in my warehouse more then it should of with the amount of money I put into it. I ended up getting an S4 instead as I can DD it (I have two small children I take to school every morning.)

Porcupint: It is a Supercharged badge

nivek111070 02-18-2015 01:35 PM

34 is way too high, 24 maybe, 34 is almost STI money

Koa 02-18-2015 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pinski (Post 2137416)
That's pretty much what I was thinking exactly - if they offered it for the same price as a brand new BRZ, I would have a hard time turning it down, warranty or not. However, at $8k more than what I paid for mine brand new last year, I wouldn't even be tempted.

I wonder how long ago the OP traded it in, I remember seeing it at that dealership before, I think. It is a great example, but I think it's a hard sell over $30k.

34K is definitely starting to get to "hard sell" range, but.. with the parts (and very apparently love) in that rig, plus the owner right here, it would have tempted me even at that sticker price.

Guarantee the dealer would lower the price in a haggle. Used cars are ticking time bombs and they know it. 0-100 depr real quick

nivek111070 02-18-2015 02:13 PM

well as any dealer will tell you when trading a car in, aftermarket parts do not add value to the car, it would be like me expecting them to pay 3k more for my trade because i put speakers amps and a sub in my car, they just aren't going to do that, so no reason i should expect to pay a markup because it has extras

KSpider 02-18-2015 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nivek111070 (Post 2137621)
well as any dealer will tell you when trading a car in, aftermarket parts do not add value to the car, it would be like me expecting them to pay 3k more for my trade because i put speakers amps and a sub in my car, they just aren't going to do that, so no reason i should expect to pay a markup because it has extras

You can't say the 15K in parts on this car do not add value at 5K miles. Sure you can't add 15K to the resale price of the vehicle itself, but for someone who wants a BRZ with a supercharger, flex fuel, tune, catch cans, exhaust, wheels, STI body kit etc. etc. then it is a steal.

If anyone on here were seriously interested in this car Id be more then happy to discuss with them any details, including what the dealer would probably negotiate to (based on my trade in.)

KSpider 02-18-2015 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nivek111070 (Post 2137621)
well as any dealer will tell you when trading a car in, aftermarket parts do not add value to the car, it would be like me expecting them to pay 3k more for my trade because i put speakers amps and a sub in my car, they just aren't going to do that, so no reason i should expect to pay a markup because it has extras



Oh and by the way, you are incorrect. They bought the car for WELL more then trade in value, in fact more then original MSRP.

nivek111070 02-18-2015 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KSpider (Post 2137669)
Oh and by the way, you are incorrect. They bought the car for WELL more then trade in value, in fact more then original MSRP.

I didn't say someone wouldn't be willing to pay more for quality work and parts already done that they may have done to the car anyways. But in 99% of all cases no one "dealers" will pay you anything extra for parts on a car.

I am shocked that they did.

thill 02-18-2015 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KSpider (Post 2137666)
You can't say the 15K in parts on this car do not add value at 5K miles. Sure you can't add 15K to the resale price of the vehicle itself, but for someone who wants a BRZ with a supercharger, flex fuel, tune, catch cans, exhaust, wheels, STI body kit etc. etc. then it is a steal.

If anyone on here were seriously interested in this car Id be more then happy to discuss with them any details, including what the dealer would probably negotiate to (based on my trade in.)

And you have to realize this (heavily modified car with no powertrain warranty) significantly narrows your scope of buyers. And is probably the reason the car has been sitting there since May. It might take that special buyer to come along, but the dealer may also have to lower the price considerably to attract a buyer.

KSpider 02-18-2015 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thill (Post 2137720)
And you have to realize this (heavily modified car with no powertrain warranty) significantly narrows your scope of buyers. And is probably the reason the car has been sitting there since May. It might take that special buyer to come along, but the dealer may also have to lower the price considerably to attract a buyer.



They originally had it listed over $40K... and yes, they need someone that wants those mods already done... a casual buyer going into buy a stock BRZ isn't going to buy it.

pinski 02-18-2015 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KSpider (Post 2137666)
You can't say the 15K in parts on this car do not add value at 5K miles. Sure you can't add 15K to the resale price of the vehicle itself, but for someone who wants a BRZ with a supercharger, flex fuel, tune, catch cans, exhaust, wheels, STI body kit etc. etc. then it is a steal.

That's pretty close to what El Cajon did though! Retail prices of stock 2013 BRZs with that low of mileage are probably $21-23k, right? Add the $15k in modifications and you'd be looking at $36-38k. Of course, that negates labor, which was probably substantial on items like the blower install, but since they're expecting a ~$11k premium over a stock BRZ, they're expecting to recoup about 75% the value of the mods. In my experience with heavily modified cars, that number usually is closer to 50%, which would put it at ~$30k, which I think is saleable.

Secondary problem would be book value. Banks typically will loan up to 120% of value. For this car, that would be about $27500. This means an even further limited pool of buyers as they'd have to have cash or trade equity to make up the difference.

It's an amazingly well-done car and doesn't look like you spared any expense in the build. But, as an enthusiast, if I'm paying that close to full retail for everything, I'd rather do it myself - both for the oversight and the fun/experience of doing it myself.

thill 02-18-2015 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KSpider (Post 2137740)
They originally had it listed over $40K... and yes, they need someone that wants those mods already done... a casual buyer going into buy a stock BRZ isn't going to buy it.

I suspect they are still too high. Think about it, that used car with no powertrain warranty is in the same price range of a brand new STI, Evo, Golf R, Mustang GT, etc with full warranty.

But hey, at the end of the day a car is only worth what someone is willing to pay. I am sure the dealer will figure that out soon enough. Someone may want that car for that price.

ashtray 02-19-2015 04:23 PM

Two problems with finding a buyer: no warranty; and its a project.

The no warranty thing can bite you especially bc of the added power. Something could go boom, or axle break, or trans chewed up, etc and now you're left with an expensive repair. Not only an expensive repair, but...

Its a project. Does it overheat after a couple hours? Does the car have unsorted issues? The dealer can say its perfect, but then you get home and realize the computer screen doesn't read mpg correctly and never will bc of the mods. (I don't know, it might work fine - just throwing out an example of something.) Then the issue of say breaking axles every 7k miles. (again - just an example, this car might be fine for life) The dealer wouldn't know anything about that, but the owner would need to find upgraded parts to handle the added power. Its a project.


On the flip side, it LOOKS well done, and lots of people are interested in a higher hp BRZ. There's definitely people out there that will find added value in the mods that were done. Now its just a matter of finding people in that subset that can afford the car and are in the market to buy it.

BRZBlack 02-21-2015 01:59 PM

Great looking car. What was the suspension setup? I like how she sits.

MikeM7 02-21-2015 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSpider (Post 2137666)
You can't say the 15K in parts on this car do not add value at 5K miles. Sure you can't add 15K to the resale price of the vehicle itself, but for someone who wants a BRZ with a supercharger, flex fuel, tune, catch cans, exhaust, wheels, STI body kit etc. etc. then it is a steal.

I know this is probably a pointless question but.. why do people by a 25-30 thousand dollar car, put 15k of mods into it, and then sell it after 5 thousand miles for a massive loss?

I just can't wrap my mind around that.

Turbowned 02-21-2015 06:02 PM

Heh, that's funny. I had a B8 S4 and went to a BRZ. I missed the S4 but couldn't afford it and the BRZ so I got a C5 RS6. Maybe in the future I can get another B8. They're such great cars!

Agent 86 02-24-2015 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZBlack (Post 2141981)
Great looking car. What was the suspension setup? I like how she sits.

The itemized price list photo in the article says that the car has STi front and rear springs.

I really like the overall look of this car. Clean, and classy.

Pickleahoy 02-24-2015 06:47 PM

That dealer is gonna have a hard time selling it for more than 25k. I guess you sweetened their ear saying you would post online about it to draw potential buyers, but I dont think anyone in their right mind other than a spoiled younger dude would consider that thing.


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