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dragonboy221 02-12-2015 06:48 PM
Which Rear Strut Bar is BEST?
 
Hey guys, im still researching and trying to find out which rear strut bar is the best of the best. Money isnt an issue for me, but i do like it to be under $300.

Things im looking for are: quality/material, thickness, well known brand name, performance wise. I do prefer it to be made in Germany, Japan, or USA (since they are better built than the ones in China or Taiwan), but as long as it is a good quality bar and well known brand, then it shouldnt really matter.

Here are some bars im looking at, but im not sure which one is the best. Hopefully my fellow 86'ers can help me out. :thumbup:

thanks!!!


1. GTSPEC Rear Strut Brace

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/gtsp...brace-323.html

2. Beatrush Rear Strut Tower Bar

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/beat...-bar-1355.html

3. Carbing Rear Tower Brace - Steel / Aluminum

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/carb...#ixzz3RZdCIXF7

4. Cusco Rear Strut Bar Carbon

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/cusc...rbon-1076.html

5. Cusco Strut Bar Type OS Rear

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/cusc...-rear-113.html

6. DC Carbon Rear Strut Tower Bar

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/dc-c...-bar-1917.html

swarb 02-12-2015 06:50 PM
none is best.

dragonboy221 02-12-2015 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2130182)
none is best.
please feel free to us. include a link too if possible

thanks

Bobblehead 02-12-2015 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2130182)
none is best.
Rumor has it that they just take up room in the trunk and don't do much for handling.


If you absolutely need to buy one, get the DC Sport one. Its not a hinged design, so because of scientific reasons I can't put in to words right now, its better.

Gunman 02-12-2015 06:57 PM
No struts in the rear to brace, and the floor ties the top of the shock mounts together already.

I vote "none".

dragonboy221 02-12-2015 06:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead (Post 2130200)


If you absolutely need to buy one, get the DC Sport one. Its not a hinged design, so because of scientific reasons I can't put in to words right now, its better.
i was thinking the same thing bro.

i heard a long time ago, that it is better if it is "one" solid piece, rather than hinges.

Bobblehead 02-12-2015 07:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonboy221 (Post 2130208)
i was thinking the same thing bro.

i heard a long time ago, that it is better if it is "one" solid piece, rather than hinges.
Don't forget the first half of what I said. There's been no evidence of them making a lick of difference.

dragonboy221 02-12-2015 07:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead (Post 2130218)
Don't forget the first half of what I said. There's been no evidence of them making a lick of difference.
are you sure it doesnt do anything? ive seen alot of track cars having it.

Bobblehead 02-12-2015 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonboy221 (Post 2130222)
are you sure it doesnt do anything? ive seen alot of track cars having it.
Unless you're taking your car to the track every day, its not worth it.

dragonboy221 02-12-2015 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead (Post 2130224)
Unless you're taking your car to the track every day, its not worth it.
i am going to build my car for canyon runs.


i do know that you need to install more bars into order to feel a difference.

these are the bars im going to get: front strut bar, rear strut bar, and sway bars (front and rear). 4 bars total

i already know which brand (Hotchkis) i am going to buy for the other bars, but havent decided yet on the rear strut bar.

Decay107 02-12-2015 07:42 PM
Another vote for none, it is not an area prone to deflection.

Do bushings.

Bergen23 02-12-2015 07:57 PM
Seems as though the general consensus is none from everything I've read about it. If you must get one, get the prettiest looking one and call it a day. Or spend the money on an OFT. Or spend the money on track days. Or spend the money on cocaine and hookers.

2much 02-12-2015 08:39 PM
more bars = more feels

Tcoat 02-12-2015 09:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonboy221 (Post 2130222)
are you sure it doesnt do anything? ive seen alot of track cars having it.
If those cars were hatchs yes you saw them with bars as the hatch reduces rigidity by quite a bit. That was why they built the FRS with a trunk to maintain that rigidity. You do not need a rear bar on these cars.


Now, if you are going to ask our opinion and then argue when you get it then don't ask in the first place.

ls1ac 02-12-2015 09:20 PM
and not much of an opening. the back end is well boxed.

swarb 02-12-2015 09:23 PM
If you really want bars, look at cusco and gt spec, they make like 10 kinds of bars/reinforcement plates. You can easily drop 2k on those alone.

dragonboy221 02-12-2015 10:11 PM
ok, it looks like i wont get a rear strut bar,


thanks for all the help!

PhantomX 02-12-2015 10:12 PM
Whatever you get, make sure to wash the car often. You don't want it getting stinky.

Tcoat 02-12-2015 10:12 PM
At least get the car, drive the car and then decide if you want/need a bar!

dragonboy221 02-12-2015 10:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhantomX (Post 2130465)
Whatever you get, make sure to wash the car often. You don't want it getting stinky.
lol.

dont worry brah, i always have the windows rolled down when i drive. even in the summer time

fuk A/C windows down crew checking in.

dragonboy221 02-12-2015 10:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2130467)
At least get the car, drive the car and then decide if you want/need a bar!
i will dude, im just doing all of my research and planning right now. i have some BIG plans for this car.

Bergen23 02-12-2015 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dragonboy221 (Post 2130470)
i will dude, im just doing all of my research and planning right now. i have some BIG plans for this car.
Well, we all have big plans. Except @Tcoat since he's too old and if he dropped his car off at the shop for something, he may not be alive to pick it up.

Tcoat 02-13-2015 06:39 AM
http://mmoc.org.uk/mbimage.php?src=1338479093_8463

Lateral G 02-15-2015 11:49 AM
I too had a lot of plans to modify. Once I bought the car, realized there arent many ways to improve it for a canyon carver/daily driver setup. You may or may not find the same. I did add the grim speed front strut tower brace, it makes a difference but wasn't neccessary.

dem00n 02-15-2015 12:03 PM
Why do you believe you need a strut bar?

Is the rear too lose? Excessive oversteer?

Or are you modifying for the sake of modifying?

When it comes to suspension, you always have to question why you are changing a part. What's wrong that you wanna improve? You cannot throw parts on a car and expect a difference, especially one that's a positive difference.

I noticed this part: i do know that you need to install more bars into order to feel a difference

Feel what difference? Get off the internet, do some driving, talk to some people who know their stuff and then start modifying.

Read this, you'll need it.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TGA9eZXcL.jpg

For most people, a set of ST coilovers will let them be happy for the life of the car. Some just want to lower the car.

jeepmor 02-19-2015 07:08 PM
Just because it's made doesn't mean you need it. From this feedback, and knowing it's not a hatchback, I guess it'd be a good base to fastens some sort of box too. This way your groceries won't slide all over in your trunk.

Good pic Tcoat, I've met some of those guys. And been one, admittedly, as a younger lad.

ck-GT86 03-25-2015 03:29 PM
Sorry to bring back an old thread, but questioning the necessity to brace the rear suspension hit me as I changed out to coils over the weekend. The (2) nuts holding in the coils on each end seemed a bit flimsy. I understand the coils are also tightly supported down at the LCA, however wouldn't adding a support brace/bar strengthen the connection to the body?

.ck

Sammakko 03-25-2015 03:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2130182)
none is best.
this. it's a waste of money.

MokSpeed 03-25-2015 05:12 PM
My d*ck is the best strut bar.

Koa 03-25-2015 05:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ck-GT86 (Post 2184695)
Sorry to bring back an old thread, but questioning the necessity to brace the rear suspension hit me as I changed out to coils over the weekend. The (2) nuts holding in the coils on each end seemed a bit flimsy. I understand the coils are also tightly supported down at the LCA, however wouldn't adding a support brace/bar strengthen the connection to the body?

.ck
no because the cross slop between the two shocks is so small that I doubt any performance is affected by even the most extreme tension and flexation. This is due to the shocks being tied together by the floor and chassis/rear subframe to a far greater extent than the front. This is my unempirical assertion though.. need some hard pact data to confirm or deny this


Quote:
Originally Posted by Lateral G (Post 2133166)
I too had a lot of plans to modify. Once I bought the car, realized there arent many ways to improve it for a canyon carver/daily driver setup. You may or may not find the same. I did add the grim speed front strut tower brace, it makes a difference but wasn't neccessary.

uhh there's a ton of worthwhile mods to help with a weekend warrior/dd setup that will crush the OEM if selecting (a) quality part(s)....

- Clutch & FW
- Bushings
- Shifter
- Shift Knob
- Oil Cooler
- Slave cylinder retrofit
- HIDs/LEDs
- tires
- struts
- springs
- sways (fine tuning)
- LCAs
- a good alignment
- audio/stereo stuff
- those sweet jdm clear sidemarkers
- A tune
- E85
- exhaust
- Upgraded brake pads

need I go on sir just ask


rear strut brace shouldn't be one of them

Tcoat 03-25-2015 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MokSpeed (Post 2184892)
My d*ck is the best strut bar.
Your duck?

http://www.salimbeti.com/paperinik/images/gadget88.jpg

MokSpeed 03-25-2015 05:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2184904)
Your duck?
My deck

ck-GT86 03-25-2015 05:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2184897)
no because the cross slop between the two shocks is so small that I doubt any performance is affected by even the most extreme tension and flexation. This is due to the shocks being tied together by the floor and chassis/rear subframe to a far greater extent than the front. This is my unempirical assertion though.. need some hard pact data to confirm or deny this





uhh there's a ton of worthwhile mods to help with a weekend warrior/dd setup that will crush the OEM if selecting (a) quality part(s)....

- Clutch & FW
- Bushings
- Shifter
- Shift Knob
- Oil Cooler
- Slave cylinder retrofit
- HIDs/LEDs
- tires
- struts
- springs
- sways (fine tuning)
- LCAs
- a good alignment
- audio/stereo stuff
- those sweet jdm clear sidemarkers
- A tune
- E85
- exhaust
- Upgraded brake pads

need I go on sir just ask


rear strut brace shouldn't be one of them
You never fail to impress me. Thanks once again.

. ck

Koa 03-25-2015 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ck-GT86 (Post 2184953)
You never fail to impress me. Thanks once again.

. ck
brother just learning & sharing as I go, reading some of the comments (I read after I post ha), a guy already hit the nail on the head.. floor and seams tie 'em

tennisfreak 03-26-2015 10:18 AM
Rear sway bar seems like a better investment to me.

ck-GT86 03-26-2015 03:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tennisfreak (Post 2185873)
Rear sway bar seems like a better investment to me.
Are there any bars that aren't hollow? Im a proponent on all things solid, especially if its steel. Weight doesn't matter much to me

. ck

Decay107 03-26-2015 04:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ck-GT86 (Post 2186331)
Are there any bars that aren't hollow? Im a proponent on all things solid, especially if its steel. Weight doesn't matter much to me

. ck
Lots. Perrin, Whiteline, in fact, I think most sway-bars available are solid.

ck-GT86 03-26-2015 05:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Decay107 (Post 2186420)
Lots. Perrin, Whiteline, in fact, I think most sway-bars available are solid.
Awesome, thanks!

. ck

Sammakko 04-15-2015 08:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ck-GT86 (Post 2184695)
Sorry to bring back an old thread, but questioning the necessity to brace the rear suspension hit me as I changed out to coils over the weekend. The (2) nuts holding in the coils on each end seemed a bit flimsy. I understand the coils are also tightly supported down at the LCA, however wouldn't adding a support brace/bar strengthen the connection to the body?

.ck
no.

the "strut" has a pivot point at the bottom. therefore, virtually zero lateral load is transmitted into the housing at all. a brace at the top does nothing.

reigle jake 04-16-2015 09:49 AM
on my volvo station wagon i just used a rachet strap from side to side it made a difference but i also filled the sides with tuff stuff


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