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mtblackfrs 02-07-2015 01:12 AM

Valve tick?
 
Can someone please direct me to a thread where I can find something that is related to my issue?
The issue is when I'm driving on the freeway and no music and windows are closed, I could hear the valves ticking kind of like on the passenger side and they get loud when the rpm rises. I'm assuming it's the valve and it sounds like it is low on oil but just had a oil change in the same month. Mileage right now is 20K and it wasnt tickihg like that before. Should I use a heavier oil?


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Loetke 02-07-2015 01:20 AM

Did you change the oil yourself? If not, make sure the shop put in enough oil. Could also be an exhaust leak.

mtblackfrs 02-07-2015 01:21 AM

Done by the dealer. I even checked and the oil is new


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mtblackfrs 02-07-2015 01:22 AM

If the oil is low, the oil indicator on the cluster should come up right?


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Tcoat 02-07-2015 01:26 AM

Take it in and have it checked!
There are many threads on the subject here but not every sound means the same thing.
This may help you a bit.
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...9IYKoIjpfZoKww

Tcoat 02-07-2015 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mtblackfrs (Post 2122222)
If the oil is low, the oil indicator on the cluster should come up right?


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Never ever rely on the light!

Ultramaroon 02-07-2015 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mtblackfrs (Post 2122222)
If the oil is low, the oil indicator on the cluster should come up right?


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That oil light should be called the "you've just blown your engine" light. By the time it comes on the damage is done.

mtblackfrs 02-07-2015 01:32 AM

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Attachment 102024this is the dipstick right now. I guess the oil is too thin, you can barely see where the level is at.


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UtahSleeper 02-07-2015 01:35 AM

Wipe and dip again. But, if its making new noises I would take it in.

mtblackfrs 02-07-2015 01:38 AM

I did. That is actually the 3rd time to make sure what I was looking at. Yea I may have to do that tomorrow.. The tick noise is kind of similar to the miata HLA noise. I used to drive one that's why I'm familiar with the noise.


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Tcoat 02-07-2015 01:49 AM

It's not injector noise is it?
These things make sounds that would have had me cringing in terror with my old V8s!

mtblackfrs 02-07-2015 01:50 AM

No not the injector. The tick noise is rapid. I'll try to take a video in a bit.


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N1rve 02-07-2015 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mtblackfrs (Post 2122246)
No not the injector. The tick noise is rapid. I'll try to take a video in a bit.


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Listen to my ticking noise...and compare it to mine.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81496

mtblackfrs 02-07-2015 02:57 AM

I have that tick too.. Lol.. So actually there are 3 kind of noises I'm hearing and that's one of them. The others are the chirp and the other is somewhere around the passenger but inside under the hood.. Can hear more when you're actually driving and inside the car is quiet.


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Ultramaroon 02-07-2015 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by N1rve (Post 2122275)
Listen to my ticking noise...and compare it to mine.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81496

Yours sounds like a single noisy lifter. I'll say that's my "final answer."

N1rve 02-07-2015 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2122304)
Yours sounds like a single noisy lifter. I'll say that's my "final answer."

Mine sounds a need to tear the engine down (not joking).

Ultramaroon 02-07-2015 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by N1rve (Post 2122321)
Mine sounds a need to tear the engine down (not joking).

Oh, I'm with you. Following your thread. Thanks for sharing that.

N1rve 02-07-2015 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2122329)
Oh, I'm with you. Following your thread. Thanks for sharing that.

Just trying to bring awareness!

Ultramaroon 02-07-2015 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by N1rve (Post 2122337)
Just trying to bring awareness!

Knowledge is power. We are all the beta testers. That's the way it's been since the first one rolled off of Henry Ford's line. At least we have the interweb.

(well before Ford but you get my drift...)

N1rve 02-07-2015 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2122950)
Knowledge is power. We are all the beta testers. That's the way it's been since the first one rolled off of Henry Ford's line. At least we have the interweb.

(well before Ford but you get my drift...)

You hunch was right about a noisy lifter. It was a rocker arm. Scarred the engine.

Ultramaroon 02-07-2015 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by N1rve (Post 2122962)
You hunch was right about a noisy lifter. It was a rocker arm. Scarred the engine.

Damn. Here's what I was thinking when I heard your clip. Apparently it's a quality control thing. Not sure if exactly the same but they did tell you it was the rocker. Hmmm...
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73858

Thorpedo 02-07-2015 08:41 PM

OP - use a piece of scotch brite on your dipstick. It will make it a lot easier to read. I can't say why, but it worked great for me.

N1rve 02-07-2015 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2122967)
Damn. Here's what I was thinking when I heard your clip. Apparently it's a quality control thing. Not sure if exactly the same but they did tell you it was the rocker. Hmmm...
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73858

http://elementtuning.com/store/wp-co...ockerManuf.jpg

This picture scares me.

Ultramaroon 02-07-2015 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by N1rve (Post 2122962)
You hunch was right about a noisy lifter. It was a rocker arm. Scarred the engine.

can you get a picture of the bad rocker?

Tcoat 02-07-2015 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by N1rve (Post 2123028)

Those were modified deliberately.

Ultramaroon 02-07-2015 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2123033)
can you get a picture of the bad rocker?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/image...ine=1414171653

N1rve 02-07-2015 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2123041)

:lol:

I'll try to get pictures of it.

Tcoat 02-07-2015 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2123041)

Guess I could have been clearer!
The top is stock the bottom was modified to correct the off center issue.
Post 108:


http://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&...23447971883806

Ultramaroon 02-07-2015 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2123044)
Guess I could have been clearer!
The top is stock the bottom was modified to correct the off center issue.

The pair were purchased, one for engine repair, one for testing.
@Element Tuning is showing us the inconsistency in the swaging process. The top one takes less force to back out over the corner where the die struck offcenter.

edit: Upon closer examination of the photo after discovering it was a high-resolution image, (duh), the assembly/joining process appears more complicated than I first concluded. I'm not sure what was smushed into what but the top one doesn't look smushed properly.

Tcoat 02-07-2015 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2123063)
The pair were purchased, one for engine repair, one for testing.
@Element Tuning is showing us the inconsistency in the swaging process. The top one takes less force to back out over the corner where the die struck offcenter.

I totally misread it then!
The top one is a mess though.
Be interested in seeing N1rve's fail one.

Ultramaroon 02-07-2015 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2123065)
I totally misread it then!
The top one is a mess though.
Be interested in seeing N1rve's fail one.

Right?

:popcorn:

ls1ac 02-07-2015 11:02 PM

An easy way to locate a ticking sound like a rocker is to get a stethoscope from an auto store. unlike the Dr. type it will have a rod on the end (about 12in.) that you can place against different parts of the engine. A single loud rocker is easy to find. The same for an injector.

Ultramaroon 02-07-2015 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ls1ac (Post 2123078)
A single loud rocker is easy to find.

Especially if he's Ted Nugent.

mtblackfrs 02-12-2015 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by N1rve (Post 2122275)
Listen to my ticking noise...and compare it to mine.



http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81496


I've been inspecting and listening very careful, even driving around with no music and looks like we have the same issue. "Tapping" is the best way to describe it and like what you said it gets loud when you drive it and somewhere around the passenger side. The thing is idk what my warranty type is.. From what I know, my free maintenance is 20K only and they said something about warranty up to 35K.. My current miles is 21K and I just had my last service and according to them, the noise is "normal"


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N1rve 02-12-2015 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mtblackfrs (Post 2129195)
I've been inspecting and listening very careful, even driving around with no music and looks like we have the same issue. "Tapping" is the best way to describe it and like what you said it gets loud when you drive it and somewhere around the passenger side. The thing is idk what my warranty type is.. From what I know, my free maintenance is 20K only and they said something about warranty up to 35K.. My current miles is 21K and I just had my last service and according to them, the noise is "normal"


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Scion provides this...

Maintenance (Oil Change/Tire Rotation) - 24 months or 25k miles, whichever comes first.

Bumper to Bumper (Everything except wear and tear) - 36 months or 36,000 miles, whichever comes from.

Power Train (Engine & Transmission Only) - 60 months or 60,000 miles, whichever comes first.

What dealer did you take it too?

mtblackfrs 02-12-2015 02:16 AM

Puente Hills Toyota/Scion. Did you get yours fixed?


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N1rve 02-12-2015 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mtblackfrs (Post 2129202)
Puente Hills Toyota/Scion. Did you get yours fixed?


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Currently in the progress. Toyota Engineer will be here tomorrow to inspect the engine and begin reinstalling the engine along with performing tests on it.

Take it to Longo Toyota. Let them know of your concerns and replicate it to them. Record it if you can.

mtblackfrs 02-12-2015 04:08 AM

Ok.. Cool! Thank you!


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