WHAT WILL BE THE BEST TUNING TOOL FOR A NITROUS SETUP
 

HI IM NEW TO THIS FORUM AND THIS IS MY FIRST POST, SAYING THAT I HAD A QUESTION SEE IF ANY OF YOU GUYS WITH MORE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS CARS COULD HELP ME OUT. I HAD MY 2014 SCION FRS FOR 10 MONTHS NOW AND DURING THAT TIME I HAD NOTICED THE CAR HANDLES GREAT AND IS FUN TO DRIVE BUT IS SO SLOOOOOOW LOL. SO I STARTED WITH INSTALLING BORLA UEL HEADERS, TOP SECRET 2.5" UP PIPE AND 2.75" MID PIPE AND CATBACK ALL CATLESS, AND AIRAID COLD AIR INTAKE. THE CAR FELT A LIL QUICKER AFTER THAT AND HAVEN'T TUNE IT YET SO I GET A CHECK ENGINE FROM TIME TO TIME, LAST THING I DID WAS INSTALL A ZEX WET NITROUS KIT AND GAVE IT A TRY UNTUNE AND FELT IN LOVE WITH IT AFTER THAT I REMOVED AND BOUGHT ALL THE OTHER LIL THINGS TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE AND STUFF AND NOW HAVE COME TO THE HARD PART OF CHOOSING WHAT TO TUNE THE CAR WITH? MY FIRST CHOICE WAS TO USE A STANDALONE ECU TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL NITROUS COMPLETELY WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A WINDOWS SWITCH OR PROGRESSIVE CONTROLER, BUT AFTER TALKING TO ONE OF MY TUNER THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING WAS A LIL TOO HIGH FOR ME AND HE TOLD ME FOR JUST NITROUS IT WASN'T WORTH IT REALLY. MY SECOND CHOICE WAS TO TALK TO MY ECUTEK TUNER HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA AND WASNT ALL EXCITED WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY HADN'T DONE ANY FRS OR BRZ ON BOTTLE BEFORE SO THEY COULD NOT HELP ME OUT TO MUCH WITH HOW MUCH I COULD SPRAY SAFELY AND WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED REALLY. SO NOW IM HERE HOPING TO GET SOME HELP FROM YOU GUYS AND SEE WHAT DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH MY SAME CAR RECOMMEND I COULD ALWAYS GET A SEPARATED WINDOWS SWITCH OR PROGRESSIVE CONTROLLER BUT THAT WILL MEAN I HAVE MY ZEX MODULE CONTROLLING THE NITOURS AND FUEL THEN THE WINDOW SWITCH OR PROGRESSIVE CONTROLLING THE ZEX MODULE AND THEN WHICH EVER TUNING DEVICE I GET CONTROLLING THE REST I JUST SEE TO MANY MODULES WORKING TOGETHER AND THAT JUST WORRIES ME CUZ THERE ARE MORE THINGS THAT COULD GO WRONG AND ACTUALLY GO KABOOM!!!! WELL SAYING ALL THAT WHAT YOU GUYS RECOMMEND OH BTW I WILL BE SPRAYING AT LEAST A 100 SHOT AFTER I CHANGE PLUGS AND WILL LIKE TO TUNE ON E85 IF POSSIBLE. AND YES I HAVE SEARCH A LOT AND HAVENT FOUND TOO MUCH INFO IN AN FRS ON BOTTLE LOL

As far as I know only one other thread exists for a nitrous setup and I believe his car blew up.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=31189&page=4

please do not use all caps in your posts.

you should be able to spray 200 shots all day w/o a tune or even without gas just straight NOS (hear modern cars respond well 2 that, do u know how many imperfections are in dinosaurs? and they are literally the main ingredient in oil and gas), dont see what the problem is

This is probably the most important post in the thread. Especially regarding the pump and make sure you run a window switch.

My bad for the CAPS, i work at a Dealership and all the computer paper work is done on CAPS guess im use to it. and yea i read about that other post where the kid blew do to his clutch, thanks for the help!!!

Get it tuned on e85 with a GOOD header (not Borla) before deciding if you need nitrous or not.

You'll easily pick up 30whp or more over what you currently have.

If you re-read what brz said, it's the tune and spark plugs, not clutch.

if i remember correctly the thread say he red line do to the clutch slipping but yea like i said spark plugs are gona be change and the car will be tune so thanks anyways!!!

How big of a shot have you used so far untunned? I have a zex kit left over from a previous build on my vette and thought I'd throw it in the frs

Why nitrous set up vs SC, Turbo, E85, All of the above?

Nitrous kits are a couple grand, aren't they? Why not just a Tune (Ecutek, oft, ect) And E85?

on-demand forced injection is very appealing to some. Properly setup, NOS kits are pretty trick for those who only want to shake off would-be ricer racers and some bigger rigs, but rarely race or track. The kit could be a couple grand, but that's still roughly half the price of most FI deals.

Because tthe nitrous if free, it's a left over kit, I wanna see how that feels while I fab my turbo kit

Ok, My question was more specifically why spend a couple of grand. If it's free and you can do it, sure. Why not? But I don't understand the 2-3 grand for a No2 kit when you can you spend ~$3100 and go legit FI if you put the leg work and research in. (one of our local car meet people did a SC kit)

Nitrous Express Kit

Under a grand for the kit.

also remember one can combine NOS and FI for a very potent, dynamic setup.

If your set on running a bottle then do some research on ecutek.

I would try to reach out to the top tuner shops personally and ask them their experience. It seems to be a rare occurrence to include NOS in a build.

NX Stage 2 EFI kit 50 shot E85
 

https://plus.google.com/116431783151...ts/fC7LVnj5y9u

Not running the RPM window switch yet as the tech had some setbacks getting the tach signal but looks like will soon be resolved and is totally wired.

I'm set on running nitrous because I like it don't get me wrong my last car was tirbo and I love it but is play out on the frs already also is supercharge. Most likely because they work really good with the frs. That been said I have talk to my ecu tek tuner but they haven't done any frs on bottle yet so I guess I will be the first one lol I'm just waiting on getting injectors and a pump as the tuner said I needed them to run e85 and the bottle let's see and I will keep you updated on build. And I spray s 75 with my wet zex Kit big difference on performance got me hook!!!

Friendly advice, make sure you have a laptop that will let you know the status of your manifold and when it's danger.

I didn't do that when I had my NOS installed and my floorpan fell out of my car. Major inconvenience

Don't forget to post pics post explosion!

This is also my first post - well, second post, if you count the "hello world" intro I did last week. I ran nitrous at the drag strip on my Camaro for a couple of years. Cars typically "blow up" because there is too much nitrous in the cylinders at low rpm's. If you activate the nitrous when the rpm's are low, each cylinder gets a bigger fill of nitrous. Too much nitrous, too much torque, you end up with bent connecting rods. So a window switch is important, so you don't activate it until you're up at least over 3000 RPM. I also had mine shut it off just before it shifted, and a time delay on activiation. That was to allow the tranny to shift (didn't want to spray through the shifts) but probably doesn't mean much with a manual transmission. You certainly don't want to be spraying if you hit the rev limiter, because then you will have a major lean condition - all nitrous and no gas = boom! In addition to the window switch you need a throttle switch so you spray only at wide-open throttle. And of course you must make sure you don't run lean. I think that's everything - WOT switch, window switch, delay timer (optional), bottle heater (to make sure the nitrous is at a consistent temperature), and some way to measure your AFR so you're not running too lean. Running too lean will cause a backfire and possibly melt your pistons, running too much nitrous will create more torque than your engine can handle & bend your rods.

Properly installed and functioning, nitrous can be a blast and completely safe. Personally, I found it a pain to have to heat up the bottle, open the valve, purge, check, the solenoids, any time I wanted to use it. It was fine for the track, but too much hastle for a daily driver. It is fun, though...

-Mark

Thanks for the nice write up instead of saying stupid comments like post pics of the explosion, my Zex kit has the tps build in I have a window switch and heater also I had used nitrous before and know to set the windows switch to certain rpm and stuff.

Thanks a lot for the stupid response and will do!!! I write a post thinking I get some advised but guess this forum is a joke or the ppl here are :thumbdown:

Can someone tell me how to close down the thread? Tired of dumb stupid response of ppl like supposedly senior members that should help or keep their mouth shut lol!!!