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robo_robb 06-07-2012 09:19 AM

Sound quality of Bluetooth streaming music
 
I have the base head unit in my FR-S, and I'm not sure if this is all in my head or not, but does the sound quality seem to go down with Bluetooth streaming vs. wired connection? This is while using an iPhone.

Any experiences?

otoz 06-07-2012 09:57 AM

I cant get the audio to play with the bluetooth connection at all on my iphone, i've just been using the USB connection.

robo_robb 06-07-2012 10:01 AM

Hmm, what kind of iPhone do you have? I have a 4S, which did not have a problem with pairing up with the headunit--- Although, I did have trouble connecting it with the USB cable the first time I tried. My iPhone gave me the "device is not compatible" dialogue box. The second time I tried, it worked fine.

NRGBalanced 06-07-2012 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by robo_robb (Post 246362)
I have the base head unit in my FR-S, and I'm not sure if this is all in my head or not, but does the sound quality seem to go down with Bluetooth streaming vs. wired connection? This is while using an iPhone.

Any experiences?

I haven't taken the time to do a direct comparison between the AUX IN and the Bluetooth streaming but I've seen a lot of discussion how the codec used for A2DP produces inferior sound quality.

Not sure to what degree though: if you can tell the difference between a 64kbps MP3 and a 256kbps MP3, you'll probably notice a drop in quality.

Here's a description of the protocol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile.

Kimsey47 06-07-2012 10:14 AM

If I have a drop of quality in my BRZ it is very limited... I haven't noticed it when changing between USB and Bluetooth. Maybe it is the difference in headunits?

robo_robb 06-07-2012 10:15 AM

Interesting. I can definitely compare bluetooth audio quality to FM radio quality. In other words, it's lacking.

Kimsey47 06-07-2012 10:40 AM

Oh, and for the record I have the iPhone 4 (non-S) so it doesn't sound to be the phone...

pastuch 06-07-2012 12:50 PM

Bluetooth uses a terrible audio codec with limited dynamic range.... That's why AUX sounds better. The new APT-X compatible phones use a much much better codec for bluetooth streaming but you need an APT-X compatible stereo. Iphones do not have APT-X yet but most of the new Androids do. Apple uses APT-X on the Ipad 3 though so I imagine it will find it's way into Iphone 5. The Galaxy S 3 has the best audio solution to date, Voodoo Sound compatible Wolfson DAC with APT-X Support. It's a little big but I'll probably buy one just for the audio upgrades.

I made a thread all about APT-X audio here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5871

Scooby 06-07-2012 05:37 PM

^^ This post basically tells it all. I cannot for the world understand why people use current SBC coded bluetooth streaming, it's horrible.

eriktherod 06-07-2012 07:05 PM

I have noticed that Bespoke will not allow me to pair a phone while driving. While that's not a problem usually, it can be annoying mid-ride if a, I mean THE passenger decides to.

mattles 06-07-2012 07:10 PM

my audio sounds like dogshit over bluetooth, so I only play via USB.

yayforaddison 06-07-2012 08:33 PM

Make sure your head unit is set for the FRS. Mine wasn't and sounded like poo. This fixed it completely!! I guess they are set for the TC from new.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7578

moniz 06-07-2012 09:37 PM

Bluetooth audio streaming will always sound like crap compared to a wired connection hands down every time. Use the USB as your first/best connection, and AUX and the next best. Either one will sound worlds better than Bluetooth stream regardless of what stereo/manufacturer at this point in this emerging technology.

pastuch 06-08-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by moniz (Post 247579)
Bluetooth audio streaming will always sound like crap compared to a wired connection hands down every time. Use the USB as your first/best connection, and AUX and the next best. Either one will sound worlds better than Bluetooth stream regardless of what stereo/manufacturer at this point in this emerging technology.

No, you're wrong. APT-X Bluetooth audio streaming sounds excellent. I have used it and it's a marked improvement over SBC Bluetooth audio. It's easily comparable to AUX or USB.

The problem with bluetooth has nothing to do with wires or signal strength. The problem is the audio codec (SBC) is total shite which they are correcting by using APT-X. Hopefully Apple gets their shit together and utilizes APT-X in Iphone 5. Bluetooth headphones with APT-X are the future of portable audio. My guess is 3 years before widespread adoption has taken over.

In terms of overall hardware, the Galaxy S III has the best platform for audio fidelity of any phone ever made. Supercurio has already confirmed Voodoo sound for analog volume modification and the phone has a Wolfson DAC + Apt-X. Whether you use Aux, APT-X BT or USB, the phone will sound amazing. I've heard the Line-out is headphone amp compatible too but it's not confirmed yet. If all this sounds like gibberish to you then you need better headphones. Dre Beats don't count.

Audio Technica M50s are the best $100 full sized Can that money can buy.
Sennheiser HD25-IIs are outstanding portables but cost $200+.

denkigrve 06-08-2012 12:14 PM

I just want my damn car to no longer automatically play BT music. I only want it for hands free, but it insists on trying to play music. BT audio is a joke. I use the USB for music only. If I could I'd delete te antenna completely as well. Radio is dead to me.

moniz 06-08-2012 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moniz (Post 247579)
Bluetooth audio streaming will always sound like crap compared to a wired connection hands down every time. Use the USB as your first/best connection, and AUX and the next best. Either one will sound worlds better than Bluetooth stream regardless of what stereo/manufacturer at this point in this emerging technology.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pastuch (Post 248357)
No, you're wrong. APT-X Bluetooth audio streaming sounds excellent. I have used it and it's a marked improvement over SBC Bluetooth audio. It's easily comparable to AUX or USB.

The problem with bluetooth has nothing to do with wires or signal strength. The problem is the audio codec (SBC) is total shite which they are correcting by using APT-X. Hopefully Apple gets their shit together and utilizes APT-X in Iphone 5. Bluetooth headphones with APT-X are the future of portable audio. My guess is 3 years before widespread adoption has taken over.

In terms of overall hardware, the Galaxy S III has the best platform for audio fidelity of any phone ever made. Supercurio has already confirmed Voodoo sound for analog volume modification and the phone has a Wolfson DAC + Apt-X. Whether you use Aux, APT-X BT or USB, the phone will sound amazing. I've heard the Line-out is headphone amp compatible too but it's not confirmed yet. If all this sounds like gibberish to you then you need better headphones. Dre Beats don't count.

Audio Technica M50s are the best $100 full sized Can that money can buy.
Sennheiser HD25-IIs are outstanding portables but cost $200+.


You missed the part where I said "at this point". I'm sure things are getting better but it hasn't gone fully mainstream/full availability so I still say for now hard connect when in doubt unless you know for a fact you have APT-X connectivity.

pastuch 06-08-2012 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by moniz (Post 248487)
You missed the part where I said "at this point". I'm sure things are getting better but it hasn't gone fully mainstream/full availability so I still say for now hard connect when in doubt unless you know for a fact you have APT-X connectivity.

True enough, I just wish cars had better Android integration. I'm never going back to Iphone....

luxmn 06-08-2012 03:07 PM

evo 4g, plays flawlessly, pandora one sounds clear and full through bluetooth, i'm no audiophile but i don't think you should be inside a car, focus on the driving ;)

Deslock 06-08-2012 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denkigrve (Post 248387)
I just want my damn car to no longer automatically play BT music. I only want it for hands free, but it insists on trying to play music. BT audio is a joke. I use the USB for music only. If I could I'd delete te antenna completely as well. Radio is dead to me.

For my first couple drives, I used my Galaxy Nexus for both BT music and handsfree calls. I thought music sounded OK via BT (the BRZ's speakers aren't that great anyway), but I switched to using my iPod via USB (better voice commands and it starts playing more quickly).

It hasn't tried to play from my Galaxy Nexus via BT since, and so far has always started playing from the iPod right away (while connecting to the phone for handsfree).

Spaceywilly 06-08-2012 11:12 PM

I got my car today and driving home I wasn't all that impressed with the radio, just listening to fm radio and my phone via Bluetooth. Them tonight I plugged in my phone and played some stuff on spotify (320kbps) and holy crap it sounded amazing. Having a good source is just as important as having a good setup, so plug those phones in people and get some high bitrate files or else you're missing out.

blu_ 06-08-2012 11:37 PM

I just plugged in a nice size flash drive filled with enough tunes for a year.


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