Turbo version confirmed? (apologize for this if its a re-post)
 

They claim the turbo version could " probably getting in to the high 4 seconds plus range 0-60mph"

Of course a Forced Induction model would of been available 1 day.

200hp was never going to excite the masses needed to develop a car like this in the first place, no matter how good it handles.

As i always thought/suspected forced inducting was always going to be "Turbo-Subaru" and "Toyota-Supercharged"

Who will win the race to get a FI model into the public's hands is another matter.

I'm glad the NA car will always be available, as that's the one I want!

If I wanted a turbo car, I wouldn't get an 86. Just sayin'.

ROFL! that is from December last year... There has been more reports out after this to say no FI will be coming from Factory...

Grain of salt taken from my pile.
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In time but u cant hold of in hope... Go buy ur dream then trade that dream in for the new dream later.... IMO...

The new Subaru liberty, in JDM trim at least, features an FA20T, which is using direct injection only (not port + direct like the n/a fa20) developed by Subaru exclusively. And if you didn't know, the T stands for turbo.

290hp and just under 300ft lb.

Agreed, also the insurance on the turbo may be sky high, so might want to just modify your base model.

Eventually this model will feature Forced Induction one way or the other.

Please belittle me so more I enjoy it :D

oh wait i take it the same way I take the FI article that was released in December before the new liberty articles had come out.

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I thought that the 2012/13 jdm legacy gt dit does have the direct injected only, twin scroll Turbo version of the fa20?
Does it not?
And from memory, trd will sc right? Eventually..

hi everyone, am not trying to debate Turbo vs NA topic.........
I just wanted to share the information that i just read yesterday (i know the article was from DEC last yr:iono:)

honestly guys....if the turbo version (for 86 or BRZ) is available next yr, and the price is few ks more, what would you choose? Still NA ? really?

This is conjecture.

Yes, still N/A.

If there is a factory FI option, and it can be bolted on, then FI
But NA 1st to feel the car. Only of I think it needs it, then FI

really? i have read many reviews (on both 86/brz). I really can't see ppl put up any negative comment on these cars, the only down-side they normally pointed out is lack of torque & power. Honestly...for me, with this money (39.5k drive away for GTS hey?), am totally happy with it.
But.....i wouldn't mind to spend extra $5k for the turbo version (if they really build it next yr).....

So..i dunno what to do.... leave the deposit now and drive the NA 86 in Sept or wait for the turbo version?:slap:

or get a HKS supercharger kit when its ready.

The only reason in saying factory bolt on is warranty

I am being a pedant but it does not lack torque or power. If this were the case it would not be going anywhere. The 86 has a higher power/weight than my existing car (which weighs 1080kgs with me in the car) and the same quoted maximum torque. What some people mean is it doesn't have enough power for them. If you decide to wait you might be waiting a while because a forced induction motor is just speculation at this point in time. If you buy now and and you enjoy driving the n/a would a later forced induction option negate your driving pleasure now?

My 18 cents.

If someone’s opinion is that it lacks power/torque, that is exactly that. Their opinion. It is subjective. I may think the power is perfectly fine for the car, but you may think it needs more.
I for one am not hanging out for a FI model. I am happy to get a natro. I am “benchmarking”, for lack of better term, the performance of this car against my old AE86. It was natro. Had a few power up grades, but still wasn’t a ball tearer. I am not buying this car for traffic light racing, or highway racing or even proper drag racing. I just want a well balanced, capable sports car. Numbers aren’t a priority :)

+1

the S13/180sx is no powerhouse, making only 150kw at the fly from the factory. the reason they are so popular though is that due to the turbo, it is easy to extract a comfortable amount of power with good response.

with a turbo back exhaust, aftermarket side mount IC and an intake filter upgrade and a $20 boost tee I have a heap more power and a much more fun car. if i went up to a larger turbo, even only slightly, i could be seeing another 10-30kw depending how risky I like to run.


with NA engines, you start with the basics (intake, exhaust, headers) but once youve done that, and perhaps a remap, there isnt a lot of modifications you can make that are inexpensive and easy to do. Cams, cam gears and headwork are all very expensive and dont net as much power as the bolt ones you can apply to a turbo engine.


a turbo model will make this much easier to tune and play around with. the NA is just to test the waters to see if the market is there, and it definitely is. watch them release forced induction models next refresh.

yes but there is a market for inexpensive NA sports car and there is also a market for a more expensive higher power sports car.

obviously the higher the price, the smaller the market.

i think the 86/BRZ is a good market segment to start the sports car come back. start at $30-40k then bring a higher powered version between $40-50k.

the success of 86/BRZ sends a strong message to manufacturers, if you build a sports car that is good, fun and cheap, people will buy it.

Nardi you're talking pricing for a market, I think the point is more about what power to weight they could have delivered at what build cost.

I'm with varvs I wish they had given us a real tuner engine and not an eco high compression lump but who knows what options will come up in the next year or 2.

but if they are going to give us a FI engine, it will cost more.

or are you happy to take an engine like the VW 1.4 turbo, which doesn't rev too high and will need to change quite a lot of parts to gain hp?

For the average Joe this donk maybe enough but we all know the masses want/need more.

I personally only see 2 good things about this FA20 Boxer type N/A engine, it helps keep the cog low and the 12.5-1 compression.

Any real hillclimb, drift or circuit advocate will scream for more power.

But as ive read before, the chassis/basics are there and now its up to us to mod as we need/like for what ever purpose we have for the car.

And god dam it, if i want more hp either thru N/A or F/I then i will get it.

These claims of "why more hp/torque" and "wait till you drive it" are getting real old real quick.

200hp for a 1250kg car and weight of driver still to be added isnt good power for weight ratio and will never really satisfy anyone interested in before mentioned activities.

My rant over.

But remember this thing costs $29,990+ Orc.

U need to pay to play. If power is your biggest concern maybe this is not the car for you.

Could you send a link to the survey/s that back this statement up? Isn't "average Joe" part of the masses?

Have you ever been to a hill climb? I ask this because at the local hill climb here in Canberra some of the vehicles have included Datsun 120Y, Formula Holden, Holden Monaro, Daihatsu Charade,Evo,MX5, Formula Libre, Peugeot. FWD, RWD and AWD. People are doing this for fun in what ever car they have.

I refute this statement. I fully appreciate it's not powerful enough for you but you are not everybody.

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Guess what snooze you're not everybody either.

No one is trying to force you to put an exhaust on your car so try not to be so condescending to people who might want to drive this car hard.

How was I being condescending? I was pointing out gross generalisations made by Ballsak2nv . I quite agree that this car isn't powerful enough for everybody but I am suggesting it will be powerful enough for some. His statement "and will never really satisfy anyone" is factually incorrect.

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Wakie Wakie

If this is true then explain the love for the AE86? Explain why people still drive on 4AGE bluetop motors and love their cars. Snooze said it best. What's desirable for some is not desirable for others.

No-one seems to get that this car is designed as a budget platform car. You buy the platform, and then modify it to fit your needs. Tada-san already stated that the ideal ride height is 20mm lower than stock, and the suspension components are ready to be lowered to that height.

Just enjoy the car for what it is, a drivers car. If all you want to do is go fast in a straight line then go for it. I drifted and drove the shit out of my blue top AE86 for years. I was driving on an open LSD for a while. It was a fun ass car. My FR-S so far feels even more tuned already, and I'm looking forward to many years of driving that NA motor and enjoying learning it's limits without wanting exorbitant amounts of power. It's what I enjoy.

You don't equal everyone.
Everyone doesn't equal you.
I don't equal you.
You don't equal me.

Everyone's needs and desires for their car are different, and that's what makes this platform great. It's easy to get in on, and the possibilities will be almost endless.

lucky i like n/a cars :D

Please don’t explain to me how to produce more power from n/a and turbo engines. I am not an idiot. My first drift car was a turbo s13. My last drift car was an r32 with an rb25det. Neither particularly standard. I have been playing with import cars for the better part of a decade. I know very well how easy it is to produce power from turbo engines.
I would be disappointed getting 10kw out of a turbo upgrade.

My favourite drift car was my ae86. This was natro with alot of engine work. It had a stroker crank, high comp pistons, light weight mods, big cams, alot of headwork, extractors, computer, etc. So I also know how “challenging”/expensive results can be from N/A engines. And some rough plans I had in mind for my 86 were cams, gears, remap, intake, headers.

None of which is relevant to my post? My post was in regards to people saying “it needs more power”. As I said, you may think it does. But I may not. I don’t think it’s fair, or even possible, for any of us to say it does or doesn’t yet, because none of us have driven the car. Saying the N/A model is just to test the waters is a call only TMCA can make. They built it N/A for a reason. There may or may not be FI variations in the future, but it wasn’t built N/A to test the waters.

Balsak - 200hp can be enough to drift with. My AE86 had lower power to weight ratio and I drifted that car often and had a great time in it.

My friend over at VSS has informed me that last month, Inchcape (Subaru Australia) submitted an application for approval to fit compliance plates to a 4 seat rwd car with a 2.0 litre turbocharged engine.

That is all I know.

I wish its for real. If Subaru making a turbocharged version, surely there's a TRD version available next year. Does it make sense?

I think i better hold my deposit for now. i really prefer turbo/super charged version rather than NA. Honestly, i love sports cars, but i'm not that kinda hardcore or think that 86 has to be NA or etc.......if i end up buy one, i will track it probably 4-6 times a yr...so the rest of the 359 days, it will be my daily. SO....wouldn't be gd to have extra power for straight line or open road? :burnrubber:

I think there are a few people being pedantic for the sake of an argument. Hands down, any person serious about drifting this car will be chasing power even if it's just breather mods + reflash. Same as an ae86, s15, whatever.

Who are you referring to specifically?
I said I will be doing exhaust/headers, intake and cams. So i didn't say it will be left standard. I jstu said you don't need turbo for successful drifting. Ala n/a ae86's.

Fair enough, I misinterpreted you. I'll be looking at similar options but holding off the planning stage until the ecu is unlocked, have you looked into cams options yet I've heard up and down reports on em for the fa20.

Not seriosuly I haven't. Because of the ecu. It's probably not really worth it at this stage.I know HKS have cams avaialble, but that is it. Haven't even looked into exu at this stage