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FullTuneZN6 12-19-2014 07:42 PM

Catch Can recommendations for FI
 
I'm sorry if this thread already exists but I couldn't find...I'm scouting out all the supporting mods I will need for a FI build and one basic one I want/need is an oil catch can. Anyone have any recommendations/testimonials they can share? I've seen some custom ones and cusco I know is popular, but I value the opinion of the people on this forum so...thanks in advance

Fastbrew 12-20-2014 12:01 AM

I have one. I have an AVO turbo and an AVO catch can. It catches almost nothing. I mean 1/2 thimble full every few thousand miles. I hammer it hard on the street/highway. I am going to be tracking it a bit this next summer so I had it installed. The track is where you are likely to see some more action in the can. I installed it only because I don't want any oil going back into the system. Would it hurt? I doubt that little oil would have a an effect. It was an easy choice for me because it wasn't that expensive compared to my project so I figured what the hell.

Kiske 12-20-2014 12:48 AM

Full Blown Motorsports (their setup that mounts off their included battery tie-down is slick. a bit high $) http://fullblownmotorsports.com/full...attery-tiedown

That or Radium Engineering single (or dual setup if you go mad tracking.) Mishimoto if also in the run if your dedicated funds suck.

Never cared for Cusco's polished offering. Too Univeral and out-of-place/tacky looking in our blacked out engine bays. Crawford is pushing it on high $cost$ being on of the more expensive ones. In all seriousness it is a simply design they they all tend to work relativly the same depending on where/how you mount them.

Fizz 12-20-2014 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Fastbrew (Post 2063040)
I have one. I have an AVO turbo and an AVO catch can. It catches almost nothing. I mean 1/2 thimble full every few thousand miles. I hammer it hard on the street/highway. I am going to be tracking it a bit this next summer so I had it installed. The track is where you are likely to see some more action in the can. I installed it only because I don't want any oil going back into the system. Would it hurt? I doubt that little oil would have a an effect. It was an easy choice for me because it wasn't that expensive compared to my project so I figured what the hell.

Does the AVO catch can allow for 4 fittings (i.e. 2 inlet and 2 outlets) so that it functions like a dual catch can? All pics I've seen only shows 3 fittings on the tank.

whataboutbob 12-20-2014 01:16 AM

+1 for Radium. I've got the dual setup and it works great. Excellent fit and finish on the kit as well.

Fastbrew 12-20-2014 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Fizz (Post 2063096)
Does the AVO catch can allow for 4 fittings (i.e. 2 inlet and 2 outlets) so that it functions like a dual catch can? All pics I've seen only shows 3 fittings on the tank.

This is my version:

http://i.imgur.com/9kPC7Av.jpg

The oil cap also has a little hole in it.

Fizz 12-20-2014 02:20 AM

Never seen that before, only the one that mounts onto the bar.

eric6 12-20-2014 02:10 PM

This one is poised to be released early 2015, just another option out there. This air oil separator uses filters specifically designed and built for filtering oil and oil vapor.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...adad99c956d577

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/...e1&oe=5510E021

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...psb28ce0db.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...psf240a200.jpg

This one was a earlier test mule model and has worked flawlessly. This is after 1500 typical DD miles. Not a single hint of oil in the hose going to the intake manifold.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...ps8a01e85a.jpg

JOSEC 12-20-2014 03:05 PM

I've had the Radium Dual set up for 9 months. And it works great.

GhostOp86 12-20-2014 03:35 PM

+1 for radium dual setup. Using it with works stage 1 kit. No fitment issue. Catch's great.

GT86_PRAGUE 12-20-2014 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric6 (Post 2063413)
This one is poised to be released early 2015, just another option out there. This air oil separator uses filters specifically designed and built for filtering oil and oil vapor.

This one was a earlier test mule model and has worked flawlessly. This is after 1500 typical DD miles. Not a single hint of oil in the hose going to the intake manifold.

Thanks, this looks awesome.

Fizz 12-20-2014 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric6 (Post 2063413)
This one is poised to be released early 2015, just another option out there.

Will this fit on RHD?

eric6 12-20-2014 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fizz (Post 2063661)
Will this fit on RHD?

Does not look like it will. We can work something out though if you their is interest/a need.

sissupr 12-21-2014 05:43 PM

Saikou dual catch can recently installed with my Vortech kit.

asnatlas 05-06-2016 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric6 (Post 2063413)
This one is poised to be released early 2015, just another option out there. This air oil separator uses filters specifically designed and built for filtering oil and oil vapor.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...adad99c956d577

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/...e1&oe=5510E021

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...psb28ce0db.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...psf240a200.jpg

This one was a earlier test mule model and has worked flawlessly. This is after 1500 typical DD miles. Not a single hint of oil in the hose going to the intake manifold.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...ps8a01e85a.jpg

Any update on this ?

solidONE 05-06-2016 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by eric6 (Post 2063413)

Looks like they are using a air oil/water separator element typically used with air compressors in place of the usual metallic mesh or gates to trap the oil. interesting. Which side is the inlet and which is the outlet?

Amputechture 05-06-2016 03:59 PM

I recently purchased a Crawford AOS on the classifieds without taking into account that the top port of the can is plumbed to that port that is on the factory intake tube just south of the throttle body. Problem is I will not have that option very shortly. Does anyone know if the Crawford AOS is even applicable with a turbo setup? And how would it be routed if so? Thanks in advance.

asnatlas 05-17-2016 07:59 PM

I am looking at getting the Radium - Dual Catch Can

VerusEric 05-17-2016 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asnatlas (Post 2644365)
Any update on this ?

After about 2 years of development, we're finally going to bring it to market.

Quote:

Originally Posted by solidONE (Post 2644496)
Looks like they are using a air oil/water separator element typically used with air compressors in place of the usual metallic mesh or gates to trap the oil. interesting. Which side is the inlet and which is the outlet?

That is correct, they are desiccant filters technically. They filter particles out of the air stream down to 5 micron and are now on the inlet/outlet of each side of the AOS.

We won't be making many for the first round, we need to gauge reaction and see what people's comments/concerns are about the kit but it is finally coming to market. Probably 2 months out yet :cheers:.

solidONE 05-18-2016 01:27 AM

Man.. I'd love to work with/for Velox simply based on the grade-A products I see you guys put out. Keep up the good work!

brianhj 05-18-2016 05:22 AM

I highly recommend Radium. Very high quality

jeepmor 06-12-2016 03:11 PM

Boy these things are overpriced. It's only an air/oil separator, a basic part. The key engineering aspect of the part is to slow down the incoming air stream and let the oil fall out of suspension into the can while the air keeps moving and heads to your intake. Media of some sort could assist in the separation. $200 price tags on these is a bit over the top. I'm all for capitalism, but these could be crafted from a sturdy solo cup and lid and a few fittings if needed.

shiumai 06-12-2016 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeepmor (Post 2678306)
Boy these things are overpriced. It's only an air/oil separator, a basic part. The key engineering aspect of the part is to slow down the incoming air stream and let the oil fall out of suspension into the can while the air keeps moving and heads to your intake. Media of some sort could assist in the separation. $200 price tags on these is a bit over the top. I'm all for capitalism, but these could be crafted from a sturdy solo cup and lid and a few fittings if needed.

Considering people pay $100 for an injection molded sharkfin antenna that's basically a sturdy solo cup, $200 for a CNC machined/anodized assembly + mount and fittings isn't much of a stretch IMHO.

I do agree, it's a very basic part, but it depends on whether you want something that's made of metal, or just an injection molded piece of plastic (which also won't be cheap as they have to recoup the cost of the mold).

i myself cringe at paying some prices, but i have a decent idea of what it takes to get a part made vs. selling something. if you have the fabrication skills and access to equipment, then that's going to be the cheapest route. paying for shop time with your own design might be next. now, if you want to get into selling your part, then you'll have to mark up your cost to wholesale/retail to cover all your overhead etc. it adds up quick.

i installed the radium this past week: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...48#post2677248

while i wish it'd have cost substantially less, i can see how it can command at $200+ price tag once everything is factored in, and for the company to make a normal profit in it. it's a very basic part, but it's a darn well-made basic part.

solidONE 06-13-2016 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeepmor (Post 2678306)
Boy these things are overpriced. It's only an air/oil separator, a basic part. The key engineering aspect of the part is to slow down the incoming air stream and let the oil fall out of suspension into the can while the air keeps moving and heads to your intake. Media of some sort could assist in the separation. $200 price tags on these is a bit over the top. I'm all for capitalism, but these could be crafted from a sturdy solo cup and lid and a few fittings if needed.

I suppose you can make an effective catch can out of an old soda can, hoses and some RTV if you really wanted. The money goes to the design, materials and construction of these more "expensive" pieces.

pgranberg11 06-13-2016 02:36 AM

to be honest, mishimoto has a really awesome catch can. I believe they have two threads on this forum talking about it. I'm supercharged with tons of track experience and I can definitely say it gets the job done. if you google mishimoto catchcan ft86club on google you'll find the threads i'm talking about. they even have data to prove a dual catch can isn't so necessary.

SoCalArgento 06-19-2016 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pgranberg11 (Post 2678684)
to be honest, mishimoto has a really awesome catch can. I believe they have two threads on this forum talking about it. I'm supercharged with tons of track experience and I can definitely say it gets the job done. if you google mishimoto catchcan ft86club on google you'll find the threads i'm talking about. they even have data to prove a dual catch can isn't so necessary.



I thought their research validating the necessity for just a single catch can was done on an NA vehicle? I may be mistaken though


I have the Dual Radium Catch Cans and have no complaints so far.


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weederr33 06-19-2016 12:28 PM

I have stupid question so bare with me, please.

I am considering the Radium set up, and was confused as to the difference between the PVC and the Crankcase versions. I have a supercharger, but don't track my car. Just occasional spirited drives. What's the difference between the two and which would be better to have?

SoCalArgento 06-19-2016 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 2684584)
I have stupid question so bare with me, please.

I am considering the Radium set up, and was confused as to the difference between the PVC and the Crankcase versions. I have a supercharger, but don't track my car. Just occasional spirited drives. What's the difference between the two and which would be better to have?



Their website has a brief description of how each works, however as to which is best for spirited street driving I'm not sure.

http://www.radiumauto.com/Catch-Can-...RZ86-P374.aspx

I ended getting both since I'm S/C and track


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Vracer111 06-19-2016 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 2684584)
I have stupid question so bare with me, please.

I am considering the Radium set up, and was confused as to the difference between the PVC and the Crankcase versions. I have a supercharger, but don't track my car. Just occasional spirited drives. What's the difference between the two and which would be better to have?

If you are only getting one, the PVC side is the one you should get...it does the majority of the work...like 90% or so.


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