MSN.com hating on the twins!
 

I usually visit msn.com once a day to read their links to automotive stories. Today was no exception, and behold on top of the screen I see this: http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/resea...BfYn0p#image=4
I can't get the photo to load correctly, but the picture used for the article is none other than a 10 series fr-s! The version of the frs/brz/86 that I own. Now what they say comes as no surprise to any of us, but still come on man.

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lol.
what do you expect from a non auto enthusiast that only likes mustangs cause bro it's so fast

And further on the list..

"...The Mazda6 can reach 60 mph in the mid to high 7.0-second range and finishes the quarter mile in the mid to high 15.0-second range. The Mazda6 is one of the best handling cars in the segment."

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Yea, okay, MSN. You've been complete shit since... well.. ever. :lol:

Wait, what 4 door full-size sedan handles better for less than $30k brand new? You can walk out the door with a 6 for less than $21k+tax with some incentives and not trying hard at all.

My English 101 class had better writing submitted by students who, by their own admission, had not read a book since grade school.

What is wrong with their statement about the FRS? it's true? Doesn't mean they're hating on it

There is something amusing about this focus on speed. The first sports cars to become really popular in the US were the Austin-Healey, Jaguars straight-sixes and various Triumphs and MG's. None of those went fast compared to the big V-8 cars of the day. In fact, there was a certain pride that the motors were small, but that they didn't have to slow down for curves, unlike the big detroit iron.

The first real pocket hatches, the Rabbit GTi and BMW 2002Ti were in the 10-12 second 0-60 range and were considered fast. Ferraris and Porsches might be faster than 7 seconds. Now a car that is 12 seconds is considered "dangerously slow".

With supercars now in the 2 seconds range and cadillacs in the 4 second range, it is difficult to consider what fast is in the real world. Certainly utilizing those speeds off of the track is borderline sociopathic.

The FR-S requires a different mindset. The car gives an immediacy to driving that is totally missing in contemporary cars. To me, that is far more important that the rush of speed. I've driven a lot of crappy cars that have big engines. But, I don't care to buy one. Give me a real driver's car instead.

I don't really give a rats ass what they think, but as far as the car being slow for how it looks, it is. So what? I didn't buy my BRZ for raw speed. I have his big brother for that. Bro isn't nearly as fun on the twisties, though. I don't try to hammer nails with a screwdriver either.

You're missing the point. The MSN kiddy writer said, "one of the best handling cars in the segment". Look at that selection. It's an obvious no-shit statement. The only real competition is the FRS within that segment.

when truth becomes "hating"... h8rz g0nna h8

by segment, using context, they mean the non-premium midsize sedan segment.

Completely factual and I see no signs of hate anyplace. In fact they actually point out that the cars are not meant for a straight line run. The cars do look faster (in a straight line) then they are.

Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ

With a focus on suspension tuning and handling, the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ are some of the most capable autocross cars straight off the dealer lots. But their straight-line acceleration doesn't quite live up to the exterior's sporty styling.


Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ

With a focus on suspension tuning and handling, the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ are some of the most capable autocross cars straight off the dealer lots. But their straight-line acceleration doesn't quite live up to the exterior's sporty styling. While the pair can deliver a 0-60 mph sprint in the low 6.0-second range and a quarter-mile pass in the high 14.0-second range, their slippery profile would suggest much quicker acceleration.

Top 15 Cars That Look Fast, But Really Aren't

You did read the title correctly, right?

And you do realize a 6-cylinder Camry will smoke you in a straight line, right?

-alex

Mini is probaby a pretty good in the twisties too.

I haven't driven a new mini coupe or a new mazda 6 to give my 2 cents on them, but I can't imagine a mazda 6 being a better than a mini in that department.

Look fast but aren't? I thought that's the whole idea behind the twins?

Seems dead on

0-60 in the low/mid 6's is pretty slow these days. But to be fair, they should have also mentioned some other surprisingly slow cars:

- Miata
- BMW 220i
- MB CLA250
- Mini Cooper S
- Honda Civic SI

etc.

A segment is a class of cars ala 4 door sedans. They are comparing the Mazda to other 4 door sedans. They even mention that it is the only one that does not come with a turbo or V6. It is the best handling car in THAT segment.

I'd rather have a good-looking slow car than an ugly fast one.

I notice no one is clamoring for a fast Nissan Leaf or Cube.

In that case. MSN done lost it's mind.

TIL the Mazda6 sedan competes in the same segment as the FRS.

Damn, I didn't even cross shop the two.

???

@strat61caster If the mazda 6 is one of the "Best Handling Cars" in the sub 30k 4 door sedan segment. MSN needs to drive more 4 door sedans.

I asked the question above, what 4 door sub $30k cars handle better? I honestly don't know, I've just seen heaps of praise on the 6.

WRX, Civic SI sedan, etc. But they probably meant the sub-$30k mid-size sedan segment (i.e., Accord, Camry, 200, etc.)

FWIW, I've driven the 6 and thought it handled fairly well for its class.

If the author puts a Scion in his top list he might lose his sophistication and street cred.

Could be.

I have no issue with the article. The twins are not quick comparatively speaking. They are pretty fast though. a lot of guys have had stock ones up to 145-147 mph. The just do not there quickly.

What so many journalist and car people seem to ignore is that fast (actually quickness) is only one performance parameter. Many "fast" cars fail at a lot of other performance parameters such as handling, feel, MPG, braking, fun, level of confidence. So what if the twins are not as "fast" as some. They check a lot of other boxes that the others do not. Dollar for dollar they are still a great "all round performance car".

Some people are just too narrow minded to see that it is all about the whole package.

Our car is slow. So what? I knew that going to buy it. Who cares that they wrote an article saying just what everyone else alreadys knows.

I thought it no more than an underhanded compliment for the twins. They complimented its looks. Mentioned its excellent handing the went on to site other examples of classes of cars none of which had better straight line acceleration than the twins.

I don't think anyone would be surprised a civic is slow. 99.9% of the population sees them as economy box people movers.

Look fast, but really aren't? Don't agree.

Are not as fast as they look? Maybe, but only b/c it looks like it's going 200mph standing still. I don't mind this. :)

Fact is, it's plenty fast and it'll do what the "real fast" cars can't do.
Go around corners.
Really fast.

MSN is still around? Who knew.

My wife has a Mini. The auto box is crap if you aren't banging the shifts manually, but it's quite tossable. I'd say a manual Mini would have a decent shot at your lunch money in a stock FRS. :paddle:

I also don`t see it as hating. They aren`t fast. They are fun and agile yes, but when a stock mini-van full of kids with hockey equipement an watching movies on the on board DVD player can win your pink slip, it`s not a fast car. And I don`t regret for a second buying it :)

As for the segment comments. They aren`t talking about the 6 against that list, they are talking about the 6 in the mid-size family sedan. They are compared to Altimas, and Camrys. Not the FRS, or Civics or Imprezas. It doesn`t look to me like MSN lost their mind.

The Subaru Legacy is in that line-up also the kia optima, honda accord,.....

Like i Said, MSN has lost their mind.

Yeah more than 6 cars in the mid-sized econobox bracket.

I just see it as Merica supporting Merican products because they are losing so much market share here in North America. If you take the rednecks of Merica out of the mix, I don't think anybody WANTS to drive Merican automobiles.

Some people just prefer a horribly inefficient V8 to a properly tuned flat 4. Why? 'cause Merica!

wat

The twins were still the fastest car in that entire list.

Probably just saw the most web traffic in years with all of us looking to at this article...

I'd be willing to bet that in an autocross between all those sedans , the Mazda6 would win. Assuming the same competent driver of course.

That Zoom-Zoom ain't no joke, haha!