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DarrenDriven 06-05-2012 02:20 AM

Blocking Your TPMS Light
 
Blocking Your TPMS Light

OK, you swapped wheels and you didn't swap in your TPMS sensors. This means that you experienced several minutes of glee when your TPMS light didn't illuminate, but then it started flashing in your face. While there may be some fancy technical way to disable the system, I chose to take the shade-tree mechanic route and just block the light. Here is how I did it.

CLARIFICATION: Removing your TPMS sensors from the car will NOT affect the traction control system. You can still disable traction control no matter what. Also, the TPMS sensors need movement to activate, so sealing them in a canister in your trunk (or inside your spare tire) will not work because they won't be rotating.


http://i.imgur.com/Koszn.jpg
Start by removing the single Phillips screw that is above your tach.


http://i.imgur.com/vnnym.jpg
Now you can lift the front edge of the cluster cover while also pulling forward. I placed my palm near the back of the cover while pulling forward, and simultaneously lifted the front edge up.


http://i.imgur.com/JNF11.jpg
Now you have revealed two more screws that have to come out. These fasten the instrument cluster to the dashboard.


http://i.imgur.com/1dFET.jpg
Now over to the left side of the dash. Use your finger to pry the lower part of the cover out toward you.


http://i.imgur.com/qvC7R.jpg
The cover will just pop off.


http://i.imgur.com/NzFGQ.jpg
Now remove the Phillips screw that is near the bottom area revealed when you removed the cover.


http://i.imgur.com/vvck6.jpg
Just above your gas pedal is another Phillips screw that needs to come out.


http://i.imgur.com/82geg.jpg
The lower dash cover will pop out now. Disconnect any plugs. I like to use a small flat-tipped screwdriver to push in the tab, then twist to force the plug out of the socket. NEVER pull on the wires to get the plug out.


http://i.imgur.com/wV5Gr.jpg
With the lower cover off, you need to pry the radio surround out a little. You don't need to remove the entire piece, just get it off enough to slip the cluster surround out from beneath it.


http://i.imgur.com/K9TXI.jpg
You have to firmly pull the top left and right corners of the cluster surround out of the clips. I pried pretty hard and it finally came out without breaking. (whew)


http://i.imgur.com/W02Iy.jpg
Now you should be able to remove the cluster. Oops, did we forget something?


http://i.imgur.com/0KTll.jpg
Don't forget to unplug the cluster! Not too hard.


http://i.imgur.com/beDzj.jpg
We need to get to the cluster dial face, so lets split this sucker open. There are six plastic tabs around the cluster that we need to loosen. Start with these two on the top.


http://i.imgur.com/ssTTT.jpg
Then hit the two on the sides, and lastly the two on the bottom. Use a small flat-tipped screwdriver and LIGHTLY pry the black plastic tab up. Don't go crazy or you could snap it off!


http://i.imgur.com/diuj9.jpg
After attempting to remove the needles to get the cluster face off, I realized I didn't have the skills, so I just gently pried the lower speedometer face away to reveal the light cavity for the TPMS.


http://i.imgur.com/f5VG8.jpg
I used some black electrical tape that I folded over on itself several times. I cut it roughly to the same dimensions as the light cavity, only slightly larger.


http://i.imgur.com/KxtLG.jpg
Finally, I used some long needlenose pliers (or tweezers would work) to slide my black tape piece into the cavity. Follow the instructions in reverse to reinstall everything.


It worked perfectly! The light is now hidden from my view and I will never be annoyed by it again!








MRZ415 06-05-2012 04:30 AM

I wonder wont it be easier to disable TMPS via software ?
on my VW for example I used VCDS and disabled TMPS sensors,
so I can only imagine something similar can be done on Subarus ?

blalor 06-05-2012 06:15 AM

Mods, please sticky this!

Dave-ROR 06-05-2012 07:39 AM

No need for a sticky it's in the directly which is already a sticky.

Darren, can the white housing be separated? If so you can just remove the bulb which would be cleaner IMO.

neutron256 06-05-2012 08:12 AM

Excellent write up. Althought I think I'll just be living Witt the light or buying the sensors.

russv 06-05-2012 11:41 AM

Way too much work for outcome.

DarrenDriven 06-05-2012 11:52 AM

I tried to separate the gauge cluster to remove the light, but to do that you need to pull all the needles, pull the dial face off and access the screws underneath it. I gently tugged on one needle to see if it would come off easily and it didn't. I feared that I would damage the cluster by removing the needles, so I went this route instead.

russv: wait until you have that yellow light flashing in your face for a few days and then see if this ten minutes of work is worth it! I think you'll change your mind.

Zaneman 06-07-2012 05:57 PM

The last time I pulled off my needles I used 2 plastic spoons... Just a thought for the next person that tries this.

MTeator 06-08-2012 09:07 AM

bravo for the effort and documenting that. But holy crap I'm not that brave with taking apart my dash :)

Chenslee 06-08-2012 09:12 AM

meh.

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forum...ystem-tpms.jpg

yayforaddison 06-08-2012 11:21 AM

Or just get sensors put in your new wheels. Much easier :)

Dave-ROR 06-08-2012 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chenslee (Post 248182)
meh.


Too bad that won't work. The sensors need to be awake which requires motion, not pressure. This isn't a Toyota Tundra :)

Dave-ROR 06-08-2012 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yayforaddison (Post 248319)
Or just get sensors put in your new wheels. Much easier :)

Yes.. and $400 from Tire Rack plus dealership charge to reprogram them since the ATEQ tools and such don't work yet.

I've been driving on mine since yesterday and the light still hasn't come on, I guess my driving has all been under the threshold for the system to complain, but still, I've driven with CELs for years so the little fishbowl light isn't going to bother me :)

DarrenDriven 06-08-2012 01:15 PM

The mod only took about 10 minutes, was like five screws and is completely reversible. I'm not sure why people are freaking out about it!

Khyron686 06-08-2012 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenDriven (Post 248489)
The mod only took about 10 minutes, was like five screws and is completely reversible. I'm not sure why people are freaking out about it!

I think it looks straightforward enough. Hopefully it can be disabled via software but if not I'll save the 400 dollars on my winter rims and use the tape.

Chenslee 06-08-2012 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 248325)
Too bad that won't work. The sensors need to be awake which requires motion, not pressure. This isn't a Toyota Tundra :)

Rats.

vividracing 06-08-2012 02:26 PM

I'm usually very very adamant about not upsetting safety features, but the TPMS system is designed for people that never check tire pressue. The same type of people that go 3 years without an oil change.

Thanks for the write-up Darren!

DarrenDriven 06-08-2012 06:20 PM

You're welcome!

SCIONFRS 06-08-2012 07:40 PM

Good write up!

Fish 06-08-2012 11:22 PM

You cant switch the sensors over to the new wheels? One of these days when I get new wheels I'll look into that.

feldy 06-08-2012 11:44 PM

When you had that thing out did you see a part number for the clear plastic in front of the tach? I may need to replace mine due to letting my son sit in the car and he scratched it with his baby nails. :mad0259:

Dave-ROR 06-09-2012 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 249417)
You cant switch the sensors over to the new wheels? One of these days when I get new wheels I'll look into that.

You can but that doesn't work for those who have/want/need two sets. They have to be rebuilt as well when moving them I believe.

Fish 06-09-2012 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 249476)
You can but that doesn't work for those who have/want/need two sets. They have to be rebuilt as well when moving them I believe.

Ah, that's right. I completely forgot about that.

They're relatively easy to take apart. I've had to do it numerous times before when I was working at the dealer. But I have access to a tire machine so I guess that doesn't apply to everyone.

DarrenDriven 06-09-2012 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by feldy (Post 249439)
When you had that thing out did you see a part number for the clear plastic in front of the tach? I may need to replace mine due to letting my son sit in the car and he scratched it with his baby nails. :mad0259:

Sorry, I didn't look for the part number. You can probably have your parts department look it up, but good luck getting parts right now. There aren't many in stock yet.

phm14 06-09-2012 11:54 AM

Thanks for that. I'm sure it will save others some time. It took a day for my light to activate, and it's solid, not flashing so far. I'm not too bothered now, but if it does start to flash, I may use some tape on the outside of the cluster lens until a software solution is available. Tire Rack has a database on which states will fail your inspection for a TPMS idiot light. All hail the nanny state.

moniz 06-09-2012 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 248330)
Yes.. and $400 from Tire Rack plus dealership charge to reprogram them since the ATEQ tools and such don't work yet.

YOWSA!! That much, seriously? There will be a cheaper setup/solution down the road I hope!

Darksword0 06-09-2012 06:07 PM

Was it ever confirmed if having a TPMS light on affected the disabling of traction or stability control?

DarrenDriven 06-09-2012 06:50 PM

Like I posted in bold red words at the top of the first post, traction control is unaffected. :)

CzRceCar 06-09-2012 11:34 PM

I have worked for Discount Tire Co. for 4 years now. If you purchased a new set of wheels there are rebuild kits for our FRS/BRZ's sensors. At any DTC we can swap the sensors for much less than a dealer and programming is not necessary from what i have found so far. Like all toyota's,Subaru's unless you are replacing a damaged sensor with a replacement Schrader or Dill sensor they Auto relearn to the vehicle.

So there should be no need for going to any dealer and over paying for this. I had my FRS on a lift today checking clearance to order wheel's and tires and was speaking with our dept on just such a matter.

CzRceCar 06-09-2012 11:35 PM

For example during rotations there is no need to relearn the sensors to the new positions on the vehicle. Just the same when installing new wheels and swaping sensors over there is no need to relearn.

Hope this helps :)

Dave-ROR 06-10-2012 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CzRceCar (Post 250602)
I have worked for Discount Tire Co. for 4 years now. If you purchased a new set of wheels there are rebuild kits for our FRS/BRZ's sensors. At any DTC we can swap the sensors for much less than a dealer and programming is not necessary from what i have found so far. Like all toyota's,Subaru's unless you are replacing a damaged sensor with a replacement Schrader or Dill sensor they Auto relearn to the vehicle.

So there should be no need for going to any dealer and over paying for this. I had my FRS on a lift today checking clearance to order wheel's and tires and was speaking with our dept on just such a matter.

Programming was mentioned for those who want two sets of wheels. Having two sets of sensors will require programming t least once. Hopefully the system will hold two sets of sensors.

chulooz 06-10-2012 11:19 AM

Thanks for the detailed write up! how about some result pics in the day and night, is it 100% perfectly fixed?

Juanito08 06-10-2012 02:15 PM

I wonder if you remove the needles like you do in the TC, have you been able to remove the Ac panel?

DarrenDriven 06-11-2012 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chulooz (Post 251051)
Thanks for the detailed write up! how about some result pics in the day and night, is it 100% perfectly fixed?

Actually, at night there is a BARELY BARELY BARELY glow that escapes around the tape that I inserted. I can only notice it if I stick my nose right in there and focus... so essentially it is a 99% perfect job but the tiny amount of light that escapes isn't enough to be noticed.

chulooz 06-11-2012 01:31 AM

So you think it goes around the tape? could a larger piece fir without interference and was the tape totally stuck onto the bulb side or only wedged in?

ScottyP3821 06-11-2012 01:35 AM

+100000000 for shade tree reference I loved that show as a kid.

DarrenDriven 06-11-2012 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chulooz (Post 252014)
So you think it goes around the tape? could a larger piece fir without interference and was the tape totally stuck onto the bulb side or only wedged in?

Yeah, I didn't really make my tape perfect, but when I say it barely shines through I am talking that it is SO dim that it is almost completely impossible to see it, even in total darkness. The tape was only wedged into the bulb cavity. I'm sure that someone could think of something better to push in there that might fill the cavity a little more perfectly.

DarrenDriven 06-13-2012 01:44 AM

Here is a photo of the cluster after blocking the light.

http://i48.tinypic.com/21a6c4.jpg

Guff 06-13-2012 02:37 AM

Can you reach the LEDs from the back? Or would that require further disassembly? I feel like pulling the light could be a viable solution as well...

DarrenDriven 06-13-2012 07:46 AM

Already asked and answered...

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenDriven (Post 242149)
I tried to separate the gauge cluster to remove the light, but to do that you need to pull all the needles, pull the dial face off and access the screws underneath it. I gently tugged on one needle to see if it would come off easily and it didn't. I feared that I would damage the cluster by removing the needles, so I went this route instead.



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