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BRZ_STI 11-14-2014 12:51 AM

350 hp?
 
What would be the best route to get to my brz to my set goal of 350 hp with the car? This would also include bigger tires, etc.

Atropine 11-14-2014 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BRZ_STI (Post 2021900)
What would be the best route to get to my brz to my set goal of 350 hp with the car? This would also include bigger tires, etc.

If you had an FR-S, you would need Toyota emblems.

Since you have a BRZ, you need STi stickers.

On a serious note...

Engine swap or Turbo with ultra perfect tuning.

A supercharger will get you to 250ish and it will be amazing. But you specifically asked for 350.

BTW since you asked...I pretty much assume getting to 350 is out of you range.

The people reasonably getting to 350 don't ask...they share how they got there.

swpbrz 11-14-2014 03:38 AM

Buy a Porsche and put the brz emblem on it for best route.

VacantSky 11-14-2014 06:43 AM

I've always looked at it this way: I just mod and tune my car until I'm happy with how it feels and performs.. numbers are just like peen measuring contests. No one but other ego measurers give a shit.... My $0.02

meeskee2 11-14-2014 10:50 AM

Put a LS motor in it.

aznatama 11-14-2014 10:53 AM

seeing how you can squeeze about 300hp from a 2.0 STi w/o too much engine work... you theoretically could get 350 w/ a larger turbo and extensive internal engine work. However, like others have said, it would be cheaper to just go get a porsche.

tobin 11-14-2014 11:18 AM

The cheapest option would be to trade it for a 370Z.

DarkSunrise 11-14-2014 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tobin (Post 2022224)
The cheapest option would be to trade it for a 370Z.

LOL then the question would be how to lose 500 lbs.

ScoobsMcGee 11-14-2014 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2022229)
LOL then the question would be how to lose 500 lbs.

And the answer would be to buy a BRZ and put Nissan badges on it. The whole thing is a vicious circle, really.

ntron1 11-14-2014 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZ_STI (Post 2021900)
What would be the best route to get to my brz to my set goal of 350 hp with the car? This would also include bigger tires, etc.

At the Flywheel or the Rear Wheel?

extrashaky 11-14-2014 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZ_STI (Post 2021900)
What would be the best route to get to my brz to my set goal of 350 hp with the car?

Based on your question and the way you asked it, your best route would be to pay a shop to build it for you.

Koa 11-14-2014 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ScoobsMcGee (Post 2022230)
And the answer would be to buy a BRZ and put Nissan badges on it. The whole thing is a vicious circle, really.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

full points sir

ashtray 11-14-2014 04:28 PM

Just turn up the boost till you hit 350hp. Or naws.

raven1231 11-14-2014 04:37 PM

Bigger throttle body!!!

Teseo 11-14-2014 04:41 PM

OP bough wrong car

kdmBRZ 11-14-2014 09:38 PM

unicorn blood...yes...that should get you 350hp....

airjonny 11-14-2014 09:41 PM

Some Type R stickers and a RB wing should do it.

Bobblehead 11-14-2014 10:12 PM

You're going to need a lot of money, a lot of patience, a lot of time and 100 shot of NOS and some overnight parts from Japan....

But in all honesty, E85, lots of boost, big turbo, extensive internal work (forged pistons, etc) and a really really good tune.

robr 11-14-2014 10:28 PM

Maybe I missed the memo on responding to threads like this, but 350rwhp on E85 is pretty simple. On pump, no, not gonna happen safely.

We just finished tuning an AVO kit that did 398rwhp/322rwtq at 1 bar. My car makes 363rwhp/279rwtq with an ULTRA-conservative 11psi tune with a 5558bb. Hell, my E85 low boost (read: wastegate) setting is 320-something.

aznatama 11-14-2014 10:33 PM

Simple.... If you have money to upgrade engine internals, but quality parts, tune, etc. Not to mention you must live near e85 station.

nlowell 11-14-2014 11:31 PM

I'm running the base kraftwerks kit on e85 and a dynolicious tune - dyno'd in the 360s

ntron1 11-15-2014 09:25 AM

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nYXkKN1k7M"]Paul Walker Fast and Furious Need NOS scene - YouTube[/ame]

robr 11-15-2014 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by aznatama (Post 2023159)
Simple.... If you have money to upgrade engine internals, but quality parts, tune, etc. Not to mention you must live near e85 station.

No need for internals at the 350 level with E85.

You should buy quality parts regardless of power levels, so that's a moot point.

You should also get a quality tune regardless of power level, so another moot point.

Closest E85 station to me is 20 miles away. I get ~240 miles per tank with E85 and a fair amount of boost usage per tank. After calibrating the mpg indicator for E85, it says an average of 22.3 right now. Doing the maths (usually fill around 11 gallons at 240 gallons), I get an average of 21.8 mpg. I'll see 24.x mpg average on the highway sections. I live in the "country" near DFW and I can get to Dallas, Ft Worth, San Antonio, Kerrville, etc using just E85 with little to no worries. Plus, if you're even remotely intelligent -and by this I mean just smart enough to listen to your tuner- you will have a map for a pump/E85 mix, and a map for pure pump gas for the times you get stuck out somewhere without E85 (if you go anywhere with that being a possibilty).

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aznatama 11-15-2014 11:26 AM

Not arguing. Just don't believe a motor built for 200hp can handle 350 without some internal work.

Quality parts and tune is not a moot point. Many ppl don't think about this when building out for power. About how much did you spend though?

robr 11-15-2014 11:29 AM

Less than a local did for a full NA Nameless setup and tune.

But I work at arguably the best mk2 MR2 shop around, so my cost is an outlier for sure. But like I said, we just finished tuning an AVO kit with Perrin intake, and it did 398rwhp at 1 bar. How much do those kits cost?

extrashaky 11-15-2014 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by robr (Post 2023479)
moot

moot

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Originally Posted by aznatama (Post 2023481)
moot

All of this is moot to someone who just comes on the regular board and asks "how to 350HP."

aznatama 11-15-2014 11:57 AM

Lol true.

giorgi0424 11-15-2014 11:28 PM

Crawford performance has tuned BRZ's to 450whp and more. They haven't been perfectly reliable, but I'm imagining with anything under that, they can make it pretty damn good. Look into them. Matt Farah reviewed one on the Drive Network. check it out on Youtube

BRZ_STI 11-18-2014 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by robr (Post 2023152)
Maybe I missed the memo on responding to threads like this, but 350rwhp on E85 is pretty simple. On pump, no, not gonna happen safely.

We just finished tuning an AVO kit that did 398rwhp/322rwtq at 1 bar. My car makes 363rwhp/279rwtq with an ULTRA-conservative 11psi tune with a 5558bb. Hell, my E85 low boost (read: wastegate) setting is 320-something.


What all have you had done to your car?

gravitylover 11-18-2014 08:56 PM

The service advisor at the dealership I got my car told me today that his buddy is running 525hp at the wheels in his BRZ. All it took was an LS3 and related bits swap :confused0068:

Leonardo 11-18-2014 11:12 PM

random guy has a buddy with a 500hp car, wait I've heard this one...

Dipstik-sportech 11-18-2014 11:32 PM

I have 498whp, how deep are your pockets........?

robr 11-19-2014 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BRZ_STI (Post 2027245)
What all have you had done to your car?

- Scratch made exhaust manifold
- Scratch made 3" downpipe and section leading to 2.75" J2 exhaust (when they were under $400 shipped on eBay over a year ago - when I'm not lazy I will be making a full 3" all the way back to, hopefully, dual tipped mufflars). No cats.
- Billet, ball bearing PTE5558
- 3" compressor inlet/intake pipe
- 2.5" intercooler piping from the turbo all the way to the intake (well, up to where the cold pipe goes to 3") with stock washer tank and all the stuff other kits replaced when turboing these cars was a new idea
- Rather large intercooler (everything was purchased with the idea of running 450rwhp, so it's a bit overkill for only 360)
- ECUTek
- ID1000 port injectors
- Deatschwerks DW65c pump (to my surprise it hasn't failed)
- TiAL MV-S wastegate
- Tial BOV
- Our spec'ed ClutchMaster clutch and their off the shelf light-weight flywheel
- E85. My pump map is basically a limp-mode map to get me to an E85 station and that's it. Don't know, nor care, what the power is on pump gas.
- Full boost is curbed at 11psi until I get a minute to put it back on the dyno and retune it to a nice round 400rwhp, whatever boost that may be (there's a good bit of meat left on the bone timing-wise too)


http://www.guapozx.com/users/dogpile...ockVSboost.JPG

-Dyno is same car (bone stock vs current setup/tune), same dyno, same driver, different day.
-Was our first crack at tuning a twin, and the first time ever with an ECUTek, so I know full well it's a "crap" curve compared to the more experienced players nowadays - we now have a much more firm grasp on the platform (note: I am NOT, in any way, promoting a business, services, or any remotely-related-to-vendor things - we are an MR2 shop)
-You can clearly see there is plenty of power left to be made by how it never levels out or drops off. Like I said before, we bought everything planning for 450rwhp, but were given false info once we were at the tuning stage, so we went ultra conservative on the tune. Now that we know ~400rwhp is considered "safe" enough on stock internals, I will turn the wick up when I get a minute.
-Blackstone oil analysis at 6500 miles (~8400 on car now) was perfect, and that was after about 6000 miles of being at this power level.
-Setup was designed to be 100% removable, so nothing was cut or otherwise permanently modified to fit anything.
-I still average ~24mpg on E85 (highway, ~22mpg mixed) with a good amount of boosting (via calibrated mpg gauge and doing the maths).
-Desperately needs brakes, especially after our group MR2 run in the mountains of Kerrville a couple weekends ago.


At this power level the car is just plain fun. It's not a monster, a killer highway roll racer, or anything to "fear" on the track or streets. It drives like a 100% stock car. Just a tad quicker. So if you expect something else with your 350hp goal, you will probably be disappointed.

humpre 11-30-2014 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by robr (Post 2023152)
Maybe I missed the memo on responding to threads like this, but 350rwhp on E85 is pretty simple. On pump, no, not gonna happen safely.

We just finished tuning an AVO kit that did 398rwhp/322rwtq at 1 bar. My car makes 363rwhp/279rwtq with an ULTRA-conservative 11psi tune with a 5558bb. Hell, my E85 low boost (read: wastegate) setting is 320-something.

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Originally Posted by robr (Post 2023479)
No need for internals at the 350 level with E85.

You should buy quality parts regardless of power levels, so that's a moot point.

You should also get a quality tune regardless of power level, so another moot point.

Closest E85 station to me is 20 miles away. I get ~240 miles per tank with E85 and a fair amount of boost usage per tank. After calibrating the mpg indicator for E85, it says an average of 22.3 right now. Doing the maths (usually fill around 11 gallons at 240 gallons), I get an average of 21.8 mpg. I'll see 24.x mpg average on the highway sections. I live in the "country" near DFW and I can get to Dallas, Ft Worth, San Antonio, Kerrville, etc using just E85 with little to no worries. Plus, if you're even remotely intelligent -and by this I mean just smart enough to listen to your tuner- you will have a map for a pump/E85 mix, and a map for pure pump gas for the times you get stuck out somewhere without E85 (if you go anywhere with that being a possibilty).

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Well shit that's my car! And I can confirm no need for internals to hit 350, just good quality parts, E85 and a good tuner.

Too bad we didn't get a chance to meet Rob I was looking forward to it!

robr 12-02-2014 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by humpre (Post 2038952)
Too bad we didn't get a chance to meet Rob I was looking forward to it!

Yeah, I was bummed when Aaron said you were picking up (and dropping off) the car on a day I was at class. How'd you like the Shiteos loaner car? haha FWIW, your results pretty much gave me the motivation I was looking for to turn mine up to 400rwhp. Your torque curve is actually what I'd like, but that's splitting hairs.

Oh, on another dyno -even another dynojet- you should be making over 400rwhp. Our dyno reads a few hp lower than other locals'. And by "a few" I mean literally 3 or 4 hp. So you can technically claim 400rwhp with a good amount of confidence if you so desire.


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