Scion FT-86 FR-S
 

This is coming third party, but at yesterday's Toyota Dealer Meeting in Vegas they confirmed that the FT86 was for sure going to be released as a Scion.

Toyota cannot be that dumb.

Debadging it and place with Toyota JDM Badge. I used to do that to my old RX300.
However, A Scion that costs 23K up is very retarded.

Edit: Let's just get Subaru to get out of this stupid idea.

Site your source?

I call bs. Becase ft86 is not the production name.. I am betting your source heard that scion might bring out a rwd hatch... There is a Toyota yaris or echo being developed with a rwd setup, story is on this site somewhere. Can't beleive ppl still post such bs all the time

one hell of a first post bro

As an active Scion owner, I don't see RWD and a pricetag of over $20k fitting into their marketing plan. Scions are entry level cars and IMO are good for learning to actually "drive" on. Especially the tC.

I hate to admit it but as much as I like all the guys and gals I've met at the events and in clubs a lot of them would kill themselves quickly in a car like the ft86. And most of the owners do dumb stuff to their cars anyway IMO. I'd hate to see that happen.

+1000

Come on guys, Toyota might have gotten a little sloppy recently, but they aren't dumb.

I cant imagine going to a Scion Dealership and seeing this...
http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/sc..._52510_717.jpg

Parked next to this..
http://www.carzi.com/wp-content/uplo...Tokyo-2009.jpg

I think this will upset scion sales and Toyota sales in general.

There were two sources that went to the Toyota National Dealer meeting in Vegas this week and on Wednesday they showed them the new 2012 Camry along with the FT86. They did not have the FT86 there; they just watched a video on a huge screen explaining the marketing, engineering, and design of the FT86 and they said that it was being released as a Scion at about $25,000.

heres what i found about it. I doubt its true though

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...102318986.html

It would seem more likely that Scion would get the GRMN hot hatch that is being developed. Lightweight, RWD, and supposedly being around the $16,000 mark.Sounds more like a Scion than the '86 to me.

:D GRMN FCUK i couldnt remember what it was called :D thats what i was reffering to

i love to say this, but its true.... press announcement this week in Vegas. the FT will be a scion.

yeahh the GRMN just looks like a Scion to me lol.

Heres what bugs me about this whole ordeal. The FT86 is said to be sold onto the global market completely by mid-late 2012. While scion still remains a North American sub-corporation of Toyota only, and has not announced that they will be going international. Why would Scion offer the FT86 internationally especially when Scion is only able to crank out less than 2500 units of each line up. Even if Scion is TECHNICALLY Toyota, they are still their own company, and as such probably wouldn't be able to offer the FT86 as to where they stand now, they are still a relatively new corporation.

So whats with all this rumors and press releases and such? Even with my very limited knowlege of business, shares, and partners. In my head this just not make sense.

Im 100% positive that the FT86 will not be sold as a Scion as they have no where near the capacity to maintain a large order, especially since it will indefinitely replace the already high sales of its current coupe the TC which still has 2-3 more years of shelf life.

I too heard that it was officially announced but have not seen the proof so who knows

In response to ^, read below.

I have to agree. Scion can't deliver internationally, where they are supposedly marketing this car. I mean, Scion just hit Canada. They are missing a huge part of the world.

Fixed.

scion Xb is being sold as a toyota rukus here in australia.. point is if the ft86 comes as a scion in north america... well tough, it wont come out as such here in australia OR japan (which is going to more than likely be the primary market..)
looks like there will be a whole bunch of rebadging..
but as matador and wings said... toyota isnt that dumb.. this is just retarded hearsay

Scion does not sell cars that are more than $20k msrp.

outside of the states they do. But of course, all cars have a higher MSRP in Canada, so its not much of an argument lol.

But just so everyone knows, the tC starts at $20,850 in Canada. And if I wanted a Scion I'd have to drive for 12 hours to find a dealer. They aren't common place here, only in major population Centers. " Please note that initial launch dealers are in greater Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver with more to come in early 2011."

I use to worry that the ft-86 would be released as a scion but, after awhile of thinking it through i really don't care if it does or doesn't as long as it looks almost identical to the concept and has the performance specs that it needs to make this car fun to drive.

I'm from canada so i don't know all the stigma behind owning a scion vehicle but, i do know that it's targeted towards the generation y crowd and it's current lineup look like cars that only oompa loompas would drive....i dunno maybe a halo car for scion??

I work at a prominent Toyota / Scion dealership so I am familiar with Scion. Some of the above comments are incorrect. Scion sells way more than 2500 units. They make 2500 of the "Release Series" each year. Also, they can sell a vehicle for whatever they want. Toyota has always been a company of change, if they had an initial idea of not wanting to go over a $20,000 MSRP.....that idea is obviously gone now. The idea that Scion is too small to handle the production is crazy too. Scion is not a seperate company. The vehicles are built in the same production facilities as Toyotas in Japan. On the Titles of the vehicles they are even titled as Toyotas. The reason I am upset they are releasing it as a scion is one: I can't buy it for "cost." Secondly I'm affraid that they will cheapen it up if it is a Scion. Third, I think people will perceive it different and not praise it as much as if it was a Toyota. Maybe if everyone complains that it is being labeled as a Scion they will release it as a Toyota. The thing that gets me is all the pictures have Toyota emblems on the FT86.

These.

The way I see it:
Scion - Cheap/Low-budget
Toyota - Mid-range
Lexus - Luxury/High-budget.

Which would put the FT86 in Scion because of the price, but the fact that it has always been labeled/branded as a Toyota, I'm not sure.

I'm sure this car will be marketed almost everywhere, so I can't see it being labeled a Scion just because of that reason. There is no such thing as Scion here in NZ, the xB (I think) is sold here as the Toyota xB, or BB (or something like that), and I don't think there is anything here that is the equivalent of the Genesis, so this car will be the first sporty car in a long while for us here.. The last one would have been the MR-S (MR2).

I could give a fuck about the stigma, there are lots of reasons why it would be dumb to make it a scion.

Then again come to think about it, yeah... lots of fucktards driving scions (no offense to the scion guys on here), who don't really care about what the FT-86 would offer. No thanks.

I drive a Scion, but it's not like I'm proud about what I drive so I take no offense to what you said. It is what it is. A cheap entry level car. I wouldn't buy a second one, that's for sure.

This is my first post so it saddens me that I have some more evidence regarding our beloved FT-86 being badged as a Scion. I don't know if this has already been sourced/posted or not, but here it is.

From another forum:

http://*************/forums/f9/toyota...scion-usa-397/

I'm at a loss of words. I really can only see negative points for this car being badged as a Scion. The only upside would be if they decide to bring the price down like all other models in their lineup, but rumors seem to say otherwise. I guess we'll just have to wait patiently for more information.

Sigh. :(

This still doesn't make sense to me no matter how much i read on.

While the rest of the world gets a Toyota FR-S, the US will have it branded Scion because why? Marketing Ploys? Large Gap/differences in the price range? Should there be a large difference in retail between an internationally sold FT86 vs a North american FT86? Is the US getting something more or less than the rest of the world is getting?

If Scion follows its sales moto of not providing a car over 20k, does this mean that Scion FR-S offers less of a car now? Whats this BS about the North american models receiving a 2.5l boxter vs the proposed 2.0l? Scion FR-S gets a bump in displacement and will cost less than the Toyota badge version? MAKES NO SENSE!

This badging is nonsense especially if the argument is MONEY, and MARKETING. I dunno there is something seriously fishy about this whole ordeal. I wonder if the ft86 production car they talk about is a variant and NOT the actual FT86 concept we have been following since its debut.

With a Rumored Sedan and smaller brother FT also in the mix, if these were come into fruition were would they fit in the equation of Scion vs Toyota?

i still beleive that the GRMN concept is the one thats destined for scion and not the FT86... the source can only get it SO right.. and why would they announce production cars to the dealers meeting NOW if the car is to be released in OVER a year..
so many holes in this story..
why doesnt everyone just msg toyota with flames??

I swear I'll buy the Subaru version just to piss Toyota to fuck off. Scion needs a lot of fixing, the FT-86 isn't the car to do it. The FT-86 was designed to fix the problems the TOYOTA brand has.

Sometimes I wish I was just really cool with Akio Toyoda and could ask him anything about the car :p

The most recent post in that thread states that the article was posted in the Wall Street Journal, which is notorious for providing false information regarding the automotive industry.

In other words, I call BS. I would love it to come to the NY Auto show tho, I want to see it in person finally.

I can second you on this because i went the the OC auto Show this weekend and asked them about the FT-86 and they said the same thing about the 86 being a Scion. Now they werent specific on why but thats what they kept telling me and i asked MULTIPLE reps and they all mentioned the same response. This was my thread about the same topic...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...0517#post20517

While I don't like the idea of it being a Scion (Although I really don't care... There is no Scion here so it will almost certainly be marketed as a Toyota here), I can see why they are doing it...

If this were to happen it would be no surprise. The U.S. tends to get the watered down versions of many cars. Why is it in Europe they get the Focus RS and ST and we don't? Why has it taken so long to get the Skyline(not that I consider that watered down)? The Type R Civic hatch-nope,everybody else except us got that particular model.Do you see an ongoing trend here?

yea i don't like it either. Was hoping for BBC's Top Gear to have a review on it but now that its a Scion I'm not sure they'll bother to look at it. lol jk

BBC Top Gear will review it as a Toyota still
Top Gear America will review it as a Scion if by chance its sold as a Scion..it will be North American Market ONLY.

This car has no business being a scion;

- Too expensive for a scion
- Being a scion means you get everything or nothing (a/c, power, seat material etc), and prepared to get stabbed in the eye on useless options.
- Scion is a failing brand, and a marketing driven brand. Neither of which i'd like to have associated with my light weight sports car, thank you very much.
- Said marketing executives have lost the plot and totally f'ked up what scion was supposed to be, and why it USED to be a cool thing. They are looking for a halo shot to save the brand, but what they don't realize is that It could horribly backfire, in a lot of very nasty ways. Scion can still be saved, but the FT-86 won't do it.
- Don't want the FT-86 sitting around languishing on a 6 year cycle, like they gleefully did to the tC, after saying that they would be doing 3-4 year model cycles.

Ultimately, it doesn't affect me, because Scion isn't sold in my market, so it will get here as a Toyota most likely. That being said, I'm likely to be in Canada/Miami on an extended work project when this car comes out, so I'd be stuck with whatever the US market has to offer. I would seriously buy a Subaru before I buy a Scion. In fact, I'd be rooting for Nissan to bring back the Silvia and prepare to cut all ties with Toyota. I'm not a brand snob, but the thinking behind the positioning of this car worries me a lot.

If sold as a Scion here in the states I wont be getting one.

id also wait for the subaru Variant, a Nissan Silvia, or the next mazda rotary platform.

Lemme tell you guys again, Scion Future Toyota 86 is a retarded name. Are they going to show concept here in the states as a Toyota or a Scion? This car is look too good to be Scion, not to mention Scion in motor sport is nothing but a shell with Toyota engine. ( yeah tC has Camry's0 engine and xB, xD....). Enough of rebadge engineering here in the states!!!

Its had a toyota badge on the concept since day one... :iono: Im just sayin.



Also im quite interested in a new miata coming out possibly 2013