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sechs 11-07-2014 02:56 PM

HELP! Got in an accident, car's a write off :(
 
Thanks for everyone's feedback regarding the situation - got things sorted out now!

N1rve 11-07-2014 03:01 PM

Do you have a dash cam to record what happened?

For the lawyer you'll have a better shot at the regional forums.

In the US, it's called Left on Red, red for a reason and yellow does not mean stop or slow down. It means proceed with caution. I'm not sure how that is in Canada.

Also, was the car paid off? If no, do you have GAP insurance?

kchar 11-07-2014 03:02 PM

:brokenheart:

lantsalot 11-07-2014 03:02 PM

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO :(

I'm really sorry to hear this. At least you're still alive!
It's not uncommon to hear that people involved in an accident are ticketed if they were making a left turn. Here in AZ, i believe you are always at fault if you are turning left (which is a bit ridiculous, but it's how it is).

Good luck sorting things out, and hooray for being alright!

khan 11-07-2014 03:03 PM

I am so sorry about the car. Were you hurt? Best thing is you survived through it with your life. :) Hopefully someone can recommended you options. I personally haven't had an experience with accidents/insurance yet.

mfbmike 11-07-2014 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sechs (Post 2014077)
So this is the worst ... Hi I'm new, just got my car from the dealership last week on Thursday and I got in a horrible accident Monday morning on my way to work.


I was turnng left on an amber turning red

Failure to yield = your fault

tough luck

:cheers:

Chimera 11-07-2014 03:06 PM

Dash cam is a must.

Quote:

Originally Posted by N1rve (Post 2014084)
Do you have a dash cam to record what happened?

For the lawyer you'll have a better shot at the regional forums.

In the US, it's called Left on Red, red for a reason and yellow does not mean stop or slow down. It means proceed with caution. I'm not sure how that is in Canada.

Also, was the car paid off? If no, do you have GAP insurance?


lantsalot 11-07-2014 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfbmike (Post 2014093)
Failure to yield = your fault

tough luck

:cheers:

There are situations that are unfortunate exceptions to this, like when youre about to turn left and the guy who WAS going to turn left in the opposite direction decides " oh hey i wanna go straight" and just goes for it as you're turning. Seen it before, and not much you can do about it. Not sure if that's what happened, but there are a few (very few) situations where you couldn't have really yielded...

J_kennington 11-07-2014 03:24 PM

Sorry to hear about the accident sechs. You may have more luck in the regional forum. The laws in the states are not the same as in Canada.

In the states, it would definitely been considered your fault as the turning car never has the right away.

Hopefully you weren't hurt and can get yourself a new car. Does Canada offer gap insurance?

cpafford 11-07-2014 03:26 PM

Unfortunately its sounds like a failure to yield even if the person that hit you was trying to get through the light in the split second before it went red. Hope you are okay

Cope52 11-07-2014 03:29 PM

pics of intersection. did u have a blinker on? what did the guy that hit you say?

Fang 11-07-2014 03:36 PM

holy cow, glad you're okay

hmong337 11-07-2014 03:58 PM

Tough luck. Another reason why if it's busy, I just wait till it is red then go ensuring everybody is slowing down or stopped.

There a ton of FRS for sale in the GTA or Ontario. You shouldn't have any issues getting into one. Especially during this time of year. But to be honest, go for the brz. It just has nicer creature comforts and HID headlights.

Good luck.


Oh, and get a dashcam!

My sister had the same type of accident. She was at fault.

Shedd22 11-07-2014 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sechs (Post 2014077)
So this is the worst ... Hi I'm new, just got my car from the dealership last week on Thursday and I got in a horrible accident Monday morning on my way to work.

I was turnng left on an amber turning red, guy comes flying out of no where and writes off my car. Worst part is the officer comes to the hospital and gives me a ticket for turn not insafety deeming me at fault for the accident my insurance says my premium is going up 75% next year.

So 2 things, can anyone recommend a good traffic lawyer to help me fight this? And any one have luck negotiating with insurance adjusters?
Insurance called be back today and are saying they won't pay the full amount for my car :<

And I suppose does anyone know of any manual white 2013 FRS for sale in the GTA region? I'm looking for a new one .... :'(

Holy damn..glad you're alive.

extrashaky 11-07-2014 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N1rve (Post 2014084)
Do you have a dash cam to record what happened?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chimera (Post 2014095)
Dash cam is a must.

From what she described, I'm not sure a dash cam would help. If I understand correctly, she turned left in front of oncoming traffic. All a dash cam would show is that she turned left in front of oncoming traffic.

Are left turns into oncoming traffic legal in Canada? I doubt it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sechs (Post 2014077)
And any one have luck negotiating with insurance adjusters?
Insurance called be back today and are saying they won't pay the full amount for my car :<

Sure they will. They'll pay the full market value of your used car. Insurance generally doesn't pay for you to get a brand new car if you total the old one. They pay what the car was worth just prior to the accident. Yours was a low-mileage used car at that time, so the value of a low-mileage used car is what you're owed.

Did you finance the car? If so, did you buy GAP insurance?

Leonardo 11-07-2014 04:07 PM

Last time I hired a lawyer for a traffic violation, it cost me $1000. Lawyers are expensive. I am glad you are ok. Good Luck! It sucks, but it may be time to drive a beater. I was paying almost 300$ per month insurance after my accident.

Kimsey47 11-07-2014 04:08 PM

Ow! Glad you're ok...

On a side note I'm really surprised we haven't saw the "It'll buff out" comment yet...

torqdork 11-07-2014 04:19 PM

Brutal. Hope your injuries heal quickly.

Judging from the extent of damage, maybe a lawyer can prove the other driver was speeding. That might help share fault.

Which airbags deployed, front, side, either?

Take care, keep us posted on the outcome.

Ammunition 11-07-2014 04:25 PM

That really sucks - what an awful accident, and at least you're here to tell about it.

Like a few people have said, it was your failure to yield. It sucks that that is how it is, because I've witnessed people turning left on a yellow with the next car being 50m away doing 55+ in a 35mph zone. There should be ample tiem for them to turn with a car being that far away and the designated speed limit, and the fact that at that distance they should not be going through the intersection, but it does happen - probably a lot more often than it should.

There is absolutely nothing justified about the multiple laws that that individual is breaking, and how they're endangering people driving like that, but we unfortunately share the road with more than a handful of people like that.

When I'm in that sort of situation I just pull out into the intersection while I'm waiting to turn - during rush hour traffic there is usually always 2 - 4 cars that run the light on yellow, but that way you can turn when the light goes red because at that point you're stuck in the intersection, and everyone waiting at it can see you at that point, and knows what you need to do - it isn't your fault if you're sitting there respecting the rules of the road, and waiting to make your turn and several asshats run the light instead of stopping.

But anyway - again, I'm really sorry to hear about that. Maybe I played too much video games when I was younger, but I'm just prepared for, and expect that sort of BS to happen whenever I'm driving.

I hope everything works out as well as it can for you, and I'm sorry for the loss of your car :(

Tcoat 11-07-2014 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimsey47 (Post 2014190)
Ow! Glad you're ok...

On a side note I'm really surprised we haven't saw the "It'll buff out" comment yet...

That is just because she made it clear she was a girl! If a guy posted the exact same post with a pic of him with the cars the responses would be radically different. Sexism is alive and well on most "hot" car sites I am afraid.

More on topic...The laws in Ontario are not that different from the U.S. ones already stated. I don't know that there is much a lawyer can do but the first consult is usually free so it is worth a shot.
The only hope you would have is if you could prove beyond a doubt (dash cam would help there if it caught the light) that the other driver ran the red but as OP said it was still yellow.

sechs 11-07-2014 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N1rve (Post 2014084)
Do you have a dash cam to record what happened?

For the lawyer you'll have a better shot at the regional forums.

In the US, it's called Left on Red, red for a reason and yellow does not mean stop or slow down. It means proceed with caution. I'm not sure how that is in Canada.

Also, was the car paid off? If no, do you have GAP insurance?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chimera (Post 2014095)
Dash cam is a must.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantsalot (Post 2014098)
There are situations that are unfortunate exceptions to this, like when youre about to turn left and the guy who WAS going to turn left in the opposite direction decides " oh hey i wanna go straight" and just goes for it as you're turning. Seen it before, and not much you can do about it. Not sure if that's what happened, but there are a few (very few) situations where you couldn't have really yielded...

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpafford (Post 2014122)
Unfortunately its sounds like a failure to yield even if the person that hit you was trying to get through the light in the split second before it went red. Hope you are okay

Quote:

Originally Posted by hmong337 (Post 2014171)
Tough luck. Another reason why if it's busy, I just wait till it is red then go ensuring everybody is slowing down or stopped.

There a ton of FRS for sale in the GTA or Ontario. You shouldn't have any issues getting into one. Especially during this time of year. But to be honest, go for the brz. It just has nicer creature comforts and HID headlights.

Good luck.


Oh, and get a dashcam!

My sister had the same type of accident. She was at fault.

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2014186)
From what she described, I'm not sure a dash cam would help. If I understand correctly, she turned left in front of oncoming traffic. All a dash cam would show is that she turned left in front of oncoming traffic.

Are left turns into oncoming traffic legal in Canada? I doubt it.



Sure they will. They'll pay the full market value of your used car. Insurance generally doesn't pay for you to get a brand new car if you total the old one. They pay what the car was worth just prior to the accident. Yours was a low-mileage used car at that time, so the value of a low-mileage used car is what you're owed.

Did you finance the car? If so, did you buy GAP insurance?

Quote:

Originally Posted by torqdork (Post 2014201)
Brutal. Hope your injuries heal quickly.

Judging from the extent of damage, maybe a lawyer can prove the other driver was speeding. That might help share fault.

Which airbags deployed, front, side, either?

Take care, keep us posted on the outcome.

Bought out the car, no GAP insurance. They're low balling me on their settlement, stating that the dealership valued my snows at $1400, they're telling me when I go to pick up my plates I have to swap my all seasons for the snows currently on the car cause that's what they're valuing the car on. It's super bull cause I just called a tireshop to quote my winters and it was $710 mounted and balanced with steelies.

Dash cam is definitely the first thing going in the next car - it likely would save me from getting nailed with beingly fully at fault for the accident because it actuallly was not busy, just me and the guy coming down, he was a long was off so I had no idea it was even about to happen. If I had to guess, he was going 90+ as it was 7 in the morning and he was from being really far off within more than reasonable stopping distance to the side of my car a moment later ... 5 of 6 airbags deployed, all except the driver side curtain.

See below, no skid marks, the only tire marks are from my car getting spun - I find it very hard to believe you could go full throttle into someone without braking or swerving if you were paying attention :/ but lesson learned, never lefting again until people are stopped D: ....



https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...bdd2218823a8ad

sechs 11-07-2014 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2014233)
That is just because she made it clear she was a girl! If a guy posted the exact same post with a pic of him with the cars the responses would be radically different. Sexism is alive and well on most "hot" car sites I am afraid.

More on topic...The laws in Ontario are not that different from the U.S. ones already stated. I don't know that there is much a lawyer can do but the first consult is usually free so it is worth a shot.
The only hope you would have is if you could prove beyond a doubt (dash cam would help there if it caught the light) that the other driver ran the red but as OP said it was still yellow.

Already asked my detailer if it would buff out :'( lol

sechs 11-07-2014 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 2014188)
Last time I hired a lawyer for a traffic violation, it cost me $1000. Lawyers are expensive. I am glad you are ok. Good Luck! It sucks, but it may be time to drive a beater. I was paying almost 300$ per month insurance after my accident.

I'll be looking at closer to $350 I think ... which sucks cause I just got my own policy and had a squeaky clean record D': .... but apparently they don't care what I drive, it's pretty much staying up like that.

sechs 11-07-2014 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khan (Post 2014089)
I am so sorry about the car. Were you hurt? Best thing is you survived through it with your life. :) Hopefully someone can recommended you options. I personally haven't had an experience with accidents/insurance yet.

Yah, I'm pretty bruised up, sore and got some nice cuts from my seatbelt. Mostly I'm just heartbroken and want to cry every time I see an FRS or BRZ ... The day after every single FRS and BRZ at SEMA was on my Instagram feed ......

Tcoat 11-07-2014 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sechs (Post 2014304)
Already asked my detailer if it would buff out :'( lol

Well you retained your sense of humour better than I would under the circumstances!
I was almost in tears when I got a stone dent the size of a dime in my fender after owning the car only a week.

MokSpeed 11-07-2014 05:59 PM

Scrolling down to the second picture made me cringe harder than the Grinch waking up in Santa's lap.

Sorry for your loss, but glad to read that you still have your life.

extrashaky 11-07-2014 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MokSpeed (Post 2014342)
Sorry for your loss, but glad to read that you still have your life.

I'm glad she didn't kill the other driver.

extrashaky 11-07-2014 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sechs (Post 2014302)
Dash cam is definitely the first thing going in the next car - it likely would save me from getting nailed with beingly fully at fault for the accident because it actuallly was not busy, just me and the guy coming down, he was a long was off so I had no idea it was even about to happen.

If you could see the guy coming from a long way off, why did you turn in front of him?

Leonardo 11-07-2014 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sechs (Post 2014306)
I'll be looking at closer to $350 I think ... which sucks cause I just got my own policy and had a squeaky clean record D': .... but apparently they don't care what I drive, it's pretty much staying up like that.

OUCH! $350 Damn!

Jond63 11-07-2014 06:21 PM

On your next car ask about GAP insurance too -- it is really cheap and would have helped you in this situation to get replacement value for your car. But besides all that, just glad you are still alive!! That looks like one wicked almost head-on crash!

extrashaky 11-07-2014 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jond63 (Post 2014373)
On your next car ask about GAP insurance too -- it is really cheap and would have helped you in this situation to get replacement value for your car.

No it wouldn't. She said she bought the car outright. GAP insurance wouldn't even be available to her. You only buy GAP insurance when you finance a car, and it only pays the difference between what you owe on the car and the car's market value if you're upside down on the loan.

GAP insurance doesn't buy you a new car if you smash the old one. It just protects you against a situation where you're having to pay your lender for a car you no longer have.

jvincent 11-07-2014 07:16 PM

In Canada, depending on your carrier you can get what's called "replacement value" insurance for the first 2 or 3 years you own the car.

If you total the car in that time they give you the full new purchase price. It's a little extra, but well worth it.

I bought my car outright and have this on my policy.

CAMBAM_6 11-07-2014 07:23 PM

"If I had to guess, he was going 90+"


Honestly if he was going that fast you would probably be in the hospital for serious injuries or worse. 90 in a 35 is highly unlikely. Everybody speeds up about 10-20 mph to make that light going from yellow to red I do it all the time, it's normally called "point of no return" and i'd rather not brake hard to stop. That's why when im the one yielding I try and wait til the light turns red then turn if theres traffic coming at me, or atleast wait for them to be obviously slowing to a stop.

sechs 11-07-2014 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2014358)
If you could see the guy coming from a long way off, why did you turn in front of him?

When I saw him he was a long way off and the light was yellow and went red, he had room to stop so I didn't even consider that he wasn't going to :/ my bad for assuming people stop at reds.

sechs 11-07-2014 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2014356)
I'm glad she didn't kill the other driver.

I'm glad too. The other guy was fine, didn't go to the hospital. He was driving an old Buick, a solid hunk of steel made to plow through other cars.

lionbacker54 11-07-2014 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sechs (Post 2014439)
When I saw him he was a long way off and the light was yellow and went red, he had room to stop so I didn't even consider that he wasn't going to :/ my bad for assuming people stop at reds.

true. looks like the officer only looked at the fact that you were turning and he was going straight. he totally could have just run a red light, and the accident pattern would have looked the same.

that said, my advice would been to spare yourself the $350, and just move on. it is very hard to win in the traffic court, especially when the officer has gone against you. i think that the other driver was at fault, but the paperwork trail is against you.

sechs 11-07-2014 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAMBAM_6 (Post 2014436)
"If I had to guess, he was going 90+"


Honestly if he was going that fast you would probably be in the hospital for serious injuries or worse. 90 in a 35 is highly unlikely. Everybody speeds up about 10-20 mph to make that light going from yellow to red I do it all the time, it's normally called "point of no return" and i'd rather not brake hard to stop. That's why when im the one yielding I try and wait til the light turns red then turn if theres traffic coming at me, or atleast wait for them to be obviously slowing to a stop.


90km/h I'm in Canada.

CAMBAM_6 11-07-2014 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sechs (Post 2014458)
90km/h I'm in Canada.


Ohhh my bad....I take that back

sechs 11-07-2014 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2014329)
Well you retained your sense of humour better than I would under the circumstances!
I was almost in tears when I got a stone dent the size of a dime in my fender after owning the car only a week.

I'm mortified and want to cry every time something reminds me of my car, but I don't have that anymore ... still have my sense of humor! :'D .....

sechs 11-07-2014 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jvincent (Post 2014431)
In Canada, depending on your carrier you can get what's called "replacement value" insurance for the first 2 or 3 years you own the car.

If you total the car in that time they give you the full new purchase price. It's a little extra, but well worth it.

I bought my car outright and have this on my policy.


Oh, had I known this a week ago ...


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