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WallsAndFoundations 10-23-2014 03:18 PM

A question to Volk racing TE37SL owners
 
How do the wheels feel compared to stock? I'm looking into getting the 18x8.5 and they're 17.5 pounds, 2.5 pounds less than stock, you like em?

Leonardo 10-23-2014 04:36 PM

I don't have Volks, but have always wanted some. The specs on the wheels you have chosen are perfect. I'm sure I am not the only one that is a little jealous.

As to how they "feel", that will have more to do with your tire choice. 225/40 or 245/35 are the sizes most choose. I am partial to Michelin tires, and would go with MPSS or AS3. Track/AutoX guys will offer other tire suggestions, if that is your intention.

Good Luck!

King Tut 10-23-2014 04:57 PM

I have never been able to "feel" lighter wheels.

CSG Mike 10-23-2014 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WallsAndFoundations (Post 1995492)
How do the wheels feel compared to stock? I'm looking into getting the 18x8.5 and they're 17.5 pounds, 2.5 pounds less than stock, you like em?

You won't really "feel" it. You will, however, notice that if you drag race a stock FRS/BRZ, you'll pull a bit. Not a ton, but enough to matter.

WallsAndFoundations 10-23-2014 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 1995618)
I don't have Volks, but have always wanted some. The specs on the wheels you have chosen are perfect. I'm sure I am not the only one that is a little jealous.

As to how they "feel", that will have more to do with your tire choice. 225/40 or 245/35 are the sizes most choose. I am partial to Michelin tires, and would go with MPSS or AS3. Track/AutoX guys will offer other tire suggestions, if that is your intention.

Good Luck!

Thanks man! Appreciate it!
I have been thinking about the as3. Do you have it or have you just thought about it?

WallsAndFoundations 10-23-2014 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1995647)
I have never been able to "feel" lighter wheels.

Really? I feel like 10 pounds of rotational weight being taken off the wheels would make a difference. .

WallsAndFoundations 10-23-2014 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 1995657)
You won't really "feel" it. You will, however, notice that if you drag race a stock FRS/BRZ, you'll pull a bit. Not a ton, but enough to matter.

How does the torque response feel?

86SPEED 10-23-2014 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by WallsAndFoundations (Post 1995808)
How does the torque response feel?

Another thing to note is not just weight.. your pushing that weight out farther. there have been tests done that shown just because the wheel weighed less, didn't mean it helped and in some cases hurt..

CSG Mike 10-23-2014 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by WallsAndFoundations (Post 1995808)
How does the torque response feel?

No change. You're not changing engine output, only the rotational inertia at every corner.

Leonardo 10-23-2014 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WallsAndFoundations (Post 1995799)
Thanks man! Appreciate it!
I have been thinking about the as3. Do you have it or have you just thought about it?

I had Michelin Pilot Sport AS Plus. The AS3 replaced them. I really liked my AS Plus tires. I have MPSS now. I love them! Great summer tires.

TylerLieberman 10-23-2014 07:10 PM

I have 18x9.5s with 265/35s.

The setup is a bit heavier than the stock setup I'm sure but the car grips and drives much better now between that no the alignment changes.

All I need now is more power lol

WallsAndFoundations 10-23-2014 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fteightysix (Post 1995810)
Another thing to note is not just weight.. your pushing that weight out farther. there have been tests done that shown just because the wheel weighed less, didn't mean it helped and in some cases hurt..

Can you explain please?

WallsAndFoundations 10-23-2014 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 1995816)
No change. You're not changing engine output, only the rotational inertia at every corner.

That's what I meant. Sorry.

WallsAndFoundations 10-23-2014 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 1995817)
I had Michelin Pilot Sport AS Plus. The AS3 replaced them. I really liked my AS Plus tires. I have MPSS now. I love them! Great summer tires.

Not too grippy? I do kind of like a little bit of tail-happynesz

WallsAndFoundations 10-23-2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 1995840)
I have 18x9.5s with 265/35s.

The setup is a bit heavier than the stock setup I'm sure but the car grips and drives much better now between that no the alignment changes.

All I need now is more power lol

Haha time for that 2jz engine swap lolol. But it feels better huh? How do launches feel? And hard turns?

N234 10-23-2014 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WallsAndFoundations (Post 1995891)
Can you explain please?

Rotational inertia increases proportionally with mass, but increases exponentially by the distance from the center of the wheel.
With identical weight,a smaller wheel is easier to spin than a larger one.

You're lightweight 18s need to be lighter to compensate for the larger diameter, and even lighter to reduce rotational inertia.

Someone might correct me but:

I = m × d²

8R6 10-23-2014 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WallsAndFoundations (Post 1995802)
Really? I feel like 10 pounds of rotational weight being taken off the wheels would make a difference. .

yeah it would make a difference if there were no tires involved. wider wheel, wider tire. take weight off wheel, add weight with tire. offset of the wheel matters too along with the width, like someone pointed out.

WallsAndFoundations 10-23-2014 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by N234 (Post 1996054)
Rotational inertia increases proportionally with mass, but increases exponentially by the distance from the center of the wheel.
With identical weight,a smaller wheel is easier to spin than a larger one.

You're lightweight 18s need to be lighter to compensate for the larger diameter, and even lighter to reduce rotational inertia.

Someone might correct me but:

I = m × d²

I kinda understand I suppose. but would an extra inch really matter?

WallsAndFoundations 10-23-2014 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BRGT86 (Post 1996058)
yeah it would make a difference if there were no tires involved. wider wheel, wider tire. take weight off wheel, add weight with tire. offset of the wheel matters too along with the width, like someone pointed out.

Why does offset matter? I'm curious and uneducated so please help me understand.

And that's true, how much do the stock tires weigh anyways?

mfbmike 10-24-2014 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by WallsAndFoundations (Post 1995895)
Not too grippy? I do kind of like a little bit of tail-happynesz

I can kick the rear end out with 18x9.5 volk te37sl's and 265/35 Michelin PSS'

lol. I wouldn't worry about the car losing it's handling characteristics. With that being said, much more grip over stock.

Acceleration will suffer a bit (trivially, really) with such a wide wheel (and heavier tire) but you already mentioned a much more conservative wheel size above.

With that being said, going from the slightly heavier Enkei NT03's I had in the same size, to the TE37's, the weight difference was definitely noticeable in my opinion.

oh and shameless plug, I'm also selling my set. ;)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75768

SkAsphalt 10-24-2014 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WallsAndFoundations (Post 1995895)
Not too grippy? I do kind of like a little bit of tail-happynesz

How much power does your car have? If you like the "tail-happynesz" of the car, you will not be happy with adding that much extra width, weight and grip to the rear.. The rims may be 2 whole pounds lighter /s, but the rubber to properly fit on them will make this set up weigh more than stock.

SkAsphalt 10-24-2014 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by WallsAndFoundations (Post 1996145)
Why does offset matter? I'm curious and uneducated so please help me understand.

And that's true, how much do the stock tires weigh anyways?

Offset is basically what determines how far from the hub your rim will sit. Higher offsets will pull the rim into the car, lower offsets will push it out from beyond the wheel well.

I believe the stock offset is around +48? I forget. and that is on a 17x7 wheel. So that is why the wheels appear sunken inside of the wheel well.

WallsAndFoundations 10-24-2014 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SkAsphalt (Post 1996557)
Offset is basically what determines how far from the hub your rim will sit. Higher offsets will pull the rim into the car, lower offsets will push it out from beyond the wheel well.

I believe the stock offset is around +48? I forget. and that is on a 17x7 wheel. So that is why the wheels appear sunken inside of the wheel well.

Nooo, that's not what I meant, I know what wheel offset is (thank you anyways though!), what I meant is why does wheel offset matter for how a wheel feels while driving.

WallsAndFoundations 10-24-2014 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SkAsphalt (Post 1996550)
How much power does your car have? If you like the "tail-happynesz" of the car, you will not be happy with adding that much extra width, weight and grip to the rear.. The rims may be 2 whole pounds lighter /s, but the rubber to properly fit on them will make this set up weigh more than stock.

Oops, sorry haha, keyboard is messing me up. My car is stock minus a tomei type80r, a lightened crank shaft pulley, and a trd performance air filter. It's not turboed by any means but if I'm throwing down the throttle around a turn I can feel the rear wheels take the car. I don't really wanna get rid of that to be honest. I realize adding more rubber will add to the weight, do you think I just get a tire that isn't stupid grippy so I can still have a bit of tail-happy?

WallsAndFoundations 10-24-2014 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mfbmike (Post 1996406)
I can kick the rear end out with 18x9.5 volk te37sl's and 265/35 Michelin PSS'

lol. I wouldn't worry about the car losing it's handling characteristics. With that being said, much more grip over stock.

Acceleration will suffer a bit (trivially, really) with such a wide wheel (and heavier tire) but you already mentioned a much more conservative wheel size above.

With that being said, going from the slightly heavier Enkei NT03's I had in the same size, to the TE37's, the weight difference was definitely noticeable in my opinion.

oh and shameless plug, I'm also selling my set. ;)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75768

I keep hearing about the Michelin pss! I went to Costco and the dude recommended the AS3s over the pss and upon coming to the forum a lot of people have them and like them, what're your thoughts? it's good to know you still feel the spin! Those wheels you're selling are mint, I just wish they were 18x8.5! ;)

SkAsphalt 10-24-2014 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WallsAndFoundations (Post 1996647)
I keep hearing about the Michelin pss! I went to Costco and the dude recommended the AS3s over the pss and upon coming to the forum a lot of people have them and like them, what're your thoughts? it's good to know you still feel the spin! Those wheels you're selling are mint, I just wish they were 18x8.5! ;)

I would really recommend the AS3 as well.

Leonardo 10-24-2014 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WallsAndFoundations (Post 1995895)
Not too grippy? I do kind of like a little bit of tail-happynesz

Too Grippy? Is that even possible? I have MPSS 245/40/17s. I have a stock engine, and I can still spin em. I have an auto too!


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