BRZ Limited vs Genesis coupe 3.8l v6
 

I saw there was an older thread of a 2014 BRZ vs 2013 Gen coupe, the reviews made sense but now that the 2014 Gen Coupe has an upgraded engine, does this mean the same for the BRZ? Does it still win?
Check Gen Coupe specs here:
http://www.thecarconnection.com/spec...formance-specs

I've narrowed my search down to these 2 cars so far, been really struggling with a decision since this will be my first new car and I don't want to regret it. The power upgrade coming from my current car ('95 corolla) to ANY car will be substantial, nonetheless, I would like some opinions of the members and those of you who have driven it.

About me: If I DO get a BRZ, I will NOT track it, at all. I will most likely get it tuned to e-85 and do a few small upgrades to boost the HP, without voiding warranty. Down the road I will be putting in a JRSC but not until warranty is up and I've done some more research. I am looking for pure power gain and a little bit of sound. What should I do??!:sigh:

I've been comparing the BRZ to a bunch of different cars, and I always end up back on the BRZ.. this is the last car I have it narrowed down to so would like some solid advice on what to do..

TLDR; 2014 Genesis Coupe 3.8l v6 vs 2014 BRZ. need halp.

First off, there's no reason you couldn't have posted this in the other thread, this post will likely be moved there.

Secondly it sounds like you want to stoplight race: get the Gen Coupe.

Thirdly running E85 may result in engine issues if done improperly, if this is the case it is unlikely that Subaru (or Toyota) would repair something you did to the car outside of it's design parameters, gotta pay to play.

1. My bad, couldn't find the other thread.

2. I do not want to stoplight race, I enjoy corners a LOT and the handling on the BRZ is amazing. A supercharger will just make them a lot more fun.

3. Thanks for the tip, when I am ready for that step I will be sure and look on these forums for a how-to guide. Everyone has goals for their car, my goals will be to have a lightweight car that can keep up with some of the "faster" cars out there while not getting myself too many tickets.

I am merely looking for someone to try and convince me to get a Gen Coupe, or "un"convince me from getting a BRZ..

problem is that you're looking for someone else to convince you-- go drive the cars and make your own decision. you already know the pros and cons. i would think that you'd be more likely to regret it if you made your decision based on what random people on the internet told you.

This is what I did drove them both back to back

Gen coupe is a boat.

Get BRZ if straight line speed isn't a priority.

True, I value the opinions on this forum that's why I was asking.

I plan on doing that this week, will update thread on results.

That's what I've heard too. We'll see how the test drive goes.

I drove the gen coupe first (6mt 2014). I thought the interior was nice, hated the shifter, seemed to have good power as well. I then got into a used frs at the Hyundai dealer and test drove it, and man was I sold. I had driven an FRS prior but didn't realize how much more connected and in tune you feel with it until I drove them back to back. It all just felt so right with the Fr-s and so wrong with then gen coupe. Don't get me wrong I think they are both nice cars, but for me the FRS was what I was looking for :)

Thank you for this! I am kind of expecting the same thing, just want to be 100% sure before I pull the trigger. :thanks:

Here's 22 pages of research for ya:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65790

Whatever gets your rocks off is what gets your rocks off. It's been said time and time again: buying a slow car and spending money to make it fast is less efficient than just buying the fast car in the first place.

Dezoris makes a lot of long winded videos about modifying the Toyobaru for 'more', might be worth your time.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40792

Another potential 86 owner that wants more speed. At this price range you can have one or the other.

OP considered the 370z?

A. The engine is not upgraded, they only discontinued the 4 banger. The V-6 had the same hp previously.

B. This right here: Base Curb Weight (lbs)3503, says enough for me to pass on the Genesis. In reality by the time you have one optioned out you are over 3600lbs.

C. Remember the Genesis is a sedan with 2 doors and the FRS/BRZ is a sports coupe with 2 extra seats. Also have you sat in the Genesis? The rear headroom sucks even more then the FRS/BRZ.

Your goal of lightweight car rules out the GC. It is not a light, nor does it drive like one.

Depending on your threshold for "faster" the stock BRZ may be ruled out as well.





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I don't get the Genesis appeal. Mustangs and Camaros do the same job better.

If you want a ninja sports car get the 86. If you want a comfy jackhammer Grand Touring machine get the 3.8. The appeal is the interior is ten times better than a Mustang and its NOT a Mustang loaded for $34K OTD.

What do you mean by win? The v6 Genesis was always tons faster than the 86 on a track and in a straight line, but not as fun to drive. The new one is probably just even faster on the track and in a straight line but still not as fun to drive. Its more what do you value more?

Depreciation is the real cost for a Genesis. Plus you look like a dork. Nobody WITH A CLUE says, "Hey, man, nice Genesis!" There is a reason.

You'd be surprised. I know a lot of non-car-people who all think the Genesis is a sports car and like it for the interior... They have no knowledge of it being heavy as hell or having a terrible shifter.

They are the worst people.

You know the pros & cons, ultimately the decision is up to you & only you can decide.

If you posted this thread on the Genesis forums more than likely everyone would say get the Genesis. Its weird how that works huh.

You're still around?

Drove both back to back and never sat in a Genesis again.
At the dealer getting oil change and a guy was dropping off his wife to pick up her Prius. He was driving a 4 month old 14 Genesis coup. He asked me how I liked the FRS and I told him it was the best car I have ever had.
Long story short, he test drove one and by the time I was ready to leave he was sitting with the salesman!
His wife scowled at me and said "thanks a lot" in a very sarcastic manner but then winked at me and gave me a big smile and thumbs up so I guess she actually supported the (possible) change.
OP, the point of this tale is it is your choice but make very sure you choose correctly the FIRST time! Believe me I know it costs you when two years down the road you hate your car so much you will pay anything to get out of it!!!!!!

No phone exchange with the lady?

LoL, yep. I like to peruse the forums at work, its entertaining reading about fantastic stories dreamed up in the minds of children.

What are these "stories" you speak of?

One thing that I didn't like about the Gen Coupe (and most Hyundai's actually) is the choice to illuminate all the interior gauges and buttons BLUE. Blue is the most annoying colour of light you can stare into at night.

Or maybe I'm just weird. But it bothered me so much when I test drove the Gen Coupe.

It's actually very easy on the eyes at night, unlike red which sears into your retinas. My fave is probably green, though.

I picked up the 3.8 for a day while I was down in Florida. It was terrible. Sure it has power, but its a pain to get it to actually use it. It's heavy, the transmission is terrible and they really need to work on the suspension to help it stick a little better. I dropped it off and very excitingly jumped back into my twin. It may be down on power, but it is just so much more fun.

The wife drives a 2013 GenCoupe 3.8 track edition. It's not bad. It just serves an entirely different purpose than the twins. The gencoupe is essentially a korean pony car, a base mustang GT, only no shitty liveaxel, worlds better suspension, and more HP. It's a great car, but it was never intended to be cross-shopped against a small-displacement 200hp import subcompact coupe, so it's odd that you would consider one against the other.

A and B are absolutely correct. C, not so much. The sedan and coupes are based on entirely different chassis platforms, and really only share the Lambda V6 (on the base model sedan) and some interior conventions.

My wife is about the perfect market for the GenCoupe 3.8. She want's a sporty coupe with decent power, good build quality, and decent practicality (for a coupe). I'm willing to bet she would be just as happy in a (albeit, 2015) mustang, a 370z, or maybe a 335i coupe. She really liked the BRZ (it was her favorite to drive when we shopped for her last year) but the gencoupe 3.8 was just so much more car for the money. Once we talked the dealer down from 37k to 28k, it was a no-brainer.

Now we have both a white gencoupe and a white BRZ in our garage. My BRZ looks like a prettier, mini version of her car.

You can't argue the price of a Gen Coupe because it is unbeatable.
Getting a 3.8 for under $30k is just more car than any other brand offers.
Nissan has discounted the 370z pretty heavily this last year but that is still strictly a coupe.

Pretty sure Blue is known to disrupt sleep patterns and affect the ability of the eye to focus. Spot on. I had green interior lights in my shitstang and thought it would be a good idea to go blue. Made the overnight trip from NC to MD absolutely stressful... never again.

It's not just the V6, the gencoupe's got a lot of value added shit.

For instance, the suspension is really well done. The springrate is obviously high, but manages that without being uncomfortably stiff. (It was better than my STi was). 4-pot brembos up front, staggered 19 inch alloys, factory tower strut bar, factory exhaust is nice and audible. Even little touches like an oil temp gauge, steel valve stems etc. Factor in a 100k factory warranty, and there's a lot of car there for the 28.5k we spent on it.

In my opinion the BRZ is still a better car for all of the reasons that have already been stated, hence why I bought one, but the gencoupe shouldn't be dismissed.

Wife's car and mine. It's pretty surprising just how tiny the 86 is parked next to the already small-ish Korean compact.

http://i.imgur.com/jt5UjXx.jpg?1

My 08 Lancer GTS had all red for everything on the dash and it didn't bother me in the least.
Traded for a 12 and they had really messed up the works as an "improvement".
Stereo and heater controls in the center dash were all still red.
Speedo, tach and gauges now were in bright white.
The "info center" in the middle of the gauges was bright blue and white and I found it completely unbearable for any long drives.
The biggest problem was I could not turn down the intensity of the blue without all the other colours pretty much disappearing!
Point being, I agree the blue is the worst I have had to deal with.

Less efficient how???
 

Surely not dollar wise, not experience gaining wise, and even if it isn't as efficient, it's sure as hell a lot more satisfying...i.e. the whole, I'd rather lose by a mile in a car I built than win by an inch in something someone else built for me...

Jaden

Read the things I linked.

But I feel like pontificating so here it goes, this is all off the cuff and I have zero incentive to back it up so I'll probably blow off any demands for proof and it's all 100% my bullshit and ranting.

Yes your initial investment (car plus mawds) could be less than a used Cayman or Corvette or Mustang GT or Gen Coupe and you could get a package that suits your desires much better.

But that does not include the time invested, I get that it's a hobby, it's not time wasted, you're not tossing $100/hour down the hole doing your own turbo install or putting in a 'stage 3 clutch kit' but it is a cost, a tax on your life to get the car you want.

The Maintenance: you've stepped up to the next level (or 2 or 3 or 4) of performance and you have to keep paying to keep playing: gas, tires, brake pads, oil.

The troubleshooting, plenty of threads here on each modification not going quite right, batteries draining overnight, harsh suspension inducing poor interior panel fitment and noises, axles braking, overheating.

It depends on priorities, if you want that 'blank canvas' and 'form a bond with your car' then nothing I say will change your mind and please, by all means enjoy your car and your experiences it will absolutely be worth it. For most people however, sure they watched Fast and Furious and went 'hell yeah that's awesome!' but really, they want to drive the car and go fast and not worry. This path is not for them, they will get more seat time and more enjoyment out of a car designed for the performance they desire out of the box.

The talking point of 'if you want a fast car, just buy the fast car' applies to most of the hypotheticals "should I buy a FRZ and turbo or Cayman/Corvette/Mustang here's my budget I wanna go fast". For the enthusiast who wants a build, doesn't want a Genesis/Camaro/Whatever they don't even ask this question, the guys who have spent hundreds of hours browsing craigslist for a 240sx or the last un-fucked CRX or the mint FD RX-7 with a blown motor don't usually post up 'how much does lsx swap?'

This all goes before my personal opinion that 90% of owners can't drive this car at 100% as it comes stock off the factory floor today, there are certainly more than 10% of owners rushing to put sticky rubber and coilovers and camber kits on the thing, I don't know just strikes me as foolish. I'd rather steer a guy away from turbo-ing a Toyobaru and buying a Genesis or Mustang with the hope that he stays interested in being a gearhead for life as opposed to having a bad experience, getting in over his head trying to make himself happy and 20 years from now drives a V6 Accord reminiscing about his old sports car to his teenage son to start the cycle all over again.

Edit: It's worth mentioning this site's classified section with dozens of cars that have a laundry list of modifications, whatever the reason is for selling I would gamble that most of the people there have done the math on how much money they're loosing on the mods vs. the handful of months of enjoyment.

Anybody driving this car stock at 100% on the street is insane. I know at least one.

I like you.

Strat you made a new friend!

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That makes 7!

I'll be your friend if you want an even number!