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RavSpec 06-02-2012 10:51 PM

GRB Brembo caliper on BRZ
 
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Found this on the new option magazine.

Can anyone translate?

Racelex 06-04-2012 03:16 AM

Nice find!
Now if only someone knows how to read Japanese and translate the text.

yuli8466 06-04-2012 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Racelex (Post 239719)
Nice find!
Now if only someone knows how to read Japanese and translate the text.

http://www.apa3.jp/html/parts_brake.htm
http://www.apa3.jp/img/parts/brake/brake-kit-s.jpg
価格(※) ローター焼入れ有り 420,000円(税込み)
ローター焼入れ無し 378,000円(税込み)

not cheap indeed

mines13 06-04-2012 10:54 AM

Wait for FastBrakes to release a caliper bracket kit if you want to run OEM STi 4 pots.

ESBjiujitsu 06-04-2012 11:14 AM

awesome!!!! :w00t: thank you for the post!

Matt Andrews 06-04-2012 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mines13 (Post 240038)
Wait for FastBrakes to release a caliper bracket kit if you want to run OEM STi 4 pots.

won't the calipers just be upside down? I thought STi calipers were mounted near the drivers compartment while the FR-s were near the bumpers?

mines13 06-04-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Andrews (Post 240113)
won't the calipers just be upside down? I thought STi calipers were mounted near the drivers compartment while the FR-s were near the bumpers?

The Greddy car with the STi calipers had more involved modifications. There may be a caliper that simply requires a spacer however. Just hit me up on Facebook Matt. :D

WingsofWar 06-04-2012 11:49 AM

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http://www.apa3.jp/index.htm

swaping sides might fix the upside down bleed issue, but for the price of late generation OEM brembos id rather get properly sized wilwoods.

Racecomp Engineering 06-04-2012 12:31 PM

When you swap sides to fix the bleeder location, the differentially bored pistons are now backwards. So in short, you can't just slap OEM STI brembos on.

- Andrew

old greg 06-04-2012 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mines13 (Post 240122)
The Greddy car with the STi calipers had more involved modifications. There may be a caliper that simply requires a spacer however. Just hit me up on Facebook Matt. :D

The Greddy car didn't have STI Brembos.

mines13 06-04-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by old greg (Post 240319)
The Greddy car didn't have STI Brembos.

Really? What were they?

old greg 06-04-2012 01:42 PM

They were branded as Greddy, but IDK if Greddy made them or just had them made by a supplier. For all I know, they could have actually been made by Brembo anyway. ;)

ttknf 06-04-2012 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by old greg (Post 240349)
They were branded as Greddy, but IDK if Greddy made them or just had them made by a supplier. For all I know, they could have actually been made by Brembo anyway. ;)

Greddy's brakes are usually made by Alcon.

cyde01 06-04-2012 04:27 PM

Important bits from the text: kit uses oem grb spec c calipers. Rotors are originals based on dixcel rotors with the same slits as the r205 limited edition car. Includes original brake lines, gdb-e oem tie rod for added stiffness in the rear, other parts necessary for conversion like rear buck plate, rear drum shoe. According to the maker of the kit if you're not concerned about quality, it is possible to do this conversion with a small amount of extra parts using the oem brz buck plate, but you will have to do some trimming of the buck plate which will decrease rigidity, which is why he included oem grb buck plate and other necessary parts to use the buck plate.

RavSpec 06-04-2012 06:15 PM

nice, thanks for the translate !!!!

*KID* 06-04-2012 06:46 PM

dammmm that BRZ Sti looks fucking siiickkkkkkkk

Turbowned 06-05-2012 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuli8466 (Post 239784)
http://www.apa3.jp/html/parts_brake.htm
http://www.apa3.jp/img/parts/brake/brake-kit-s.jpg
価格(※) ローター焼入れ有り 420,000円(税込み)
ローター焼入れ無し 378,000円(税込み)

not cheap indeed

420,000 JPY = $5,336USD.... DAT'S A LOTTA MUNIEEEE!!!

Dave-ROR 06-05-2012 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 240212)
When you swap sides to fix the bleeder location, the differentially bored pistons are now backwards. So in short, you can't just slap OEM STI brembos on.

- Andrew

Man I swear we've had this conversation 5 or 6 times now... :)

ichitaka05 06-05-2012 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 242353)
420,000 JPY = $5,336USD.... DAT'S A LOTTA MUNIEEEE!!!

Less money than TRD ver

Racecomp Engineering 06-05-2012 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 242434)
Man I swear we've had this conversation 5 or 6 times now... :)

Someone's still gonna do it though. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 242652)
Less money than TRD ver

Yes but OEM STI Brembos aren't that good. They're fine, but not $5k good.

- Andrew

Matt Andrews 06-05-2012 03:42 PM

I can't find where my previous post is. I have not looked closely at the STi caliper. Is there any chance that they could be drilled and tapped for a bleeder on the appropriate end? Some calipers are molded with the setting there, just not tapped so the caliper can be used on multiple applications. This isn't one of those is it?

ichitaka05 06-05-2012 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 242676)
Yes but OEM STI Brembos aren't that good. They're fine, but not $5k good.

- Andrew

I never stated it was worth it. I just stated, it cost LESS than TRD ver.

Don't assume things now ;)

Racecomp Engineering 06-05-2012 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 242686)
I never stated it was worth it. I just stated, it cost LESS than TRD ver.

Don't assume things now ;)

True true. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Andrews (Post 242685)
I can't find where my previous post is. I have not looked closely at the STi caliper. Is there any chance that they could be drilled and tapped for a bleeder on the appropriate end? Some calipers are molded with the setting there, just not tapped so the caliper can be used on multiple applications. This isn't one of those is it?

I do need to take a closer look at that. We don't have one in the shop at the moment but I can check with someone who probably does have the answer to this.

- Andrew

ichitaka05 06-05-2012 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 242694)
True true. :)

btw, you guys are expert in these field. I have a question.

Can an old 4/2 Subaru calipers (WRX) can be used? Also possible to rotate the bleeder up?

Racecomp Engineering 06-05-2012 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 242702)
btw, you guys are expert in these field. I have a question.

Can an old 4/2 Subaru calipers (WRX) can be used? Also possible to rotate the bleeder up?

Those are a yes because the calipers are not differentially bored. So you can swap sides to keep the bleeder on top and it should just bolt on.

BUT Scooby South just posted that the OEM wheels didn't clear those calipers though on another subaru, which is very surprising.

Still have a lot of work to do before we can consider ourselves true experts but thanks!

- Andrew

ichitaka05 06-05-2012 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 242715)
Those are a yes because the calipers are not differentially bored. So you can swap sides to keep the bleeder on top and it should just bolt on.

BUT Scooby South just posted that the OEM wheels didn't clear those calipers though on another subaru, which is very surprising.

Still have a lot of work to do before we can consider ourselves true experts but thanks!

- Andrew

Thanks for the info! :clap:

You have giving me good info here. I gonna add that to my mod list :D

OEM stock wheel didn't fit? Like it was too small? Or offset didn't work?

If it's offset, anyone did STi 17's? ('04)

Racecomp Engineering 06-05-2012 04:24 PM

Not entirely sure yet. Maybe Scooby South can chime in if he's around?

- drew

mines13 06-05-2012 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by old greg (Post 240349)
They were branded as Greddy, but IDK if Greddy made them or just had them made by a supplier. For all I know, they could have actually been made by Brembo anyway. ;)

Hmm, well I saw the Greddy car in person and the "Greddy" script appeared to be applied the same as the "Brembo" script would be in an OEM or aftermarket Brembo application, (decal/paint) certainly not embossed in the caliper. They also did not look perfect, appeared refinished to me but this is not a fact, just an opinion. The cast in mounting appears (but may not be) identical to JDM 01-02 STi caliper, which may or may not be the same as an 04 USDM caliper. I am sure a Subaru expert like Drew would know.

'01 STi caliper with clearly offset mounting
http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/for...ttach_id=24231
http://www.jdmracingmotors.com/image...2_IMG_9244.jpg

Greddy FR-S caliper with offset mounting as well. Beating a dead horse, but OEM brake hose from... Something. (Maybe FR-S OEM hose) The bottom of the caliper shows some imperfections in the paint, could be a sign of them being refinished.
http://photos.motoiq.com/MotoIQ/Tech.../IMG2542-L.jpg

I do not know if the leading piston is smaller or larger, it may not have been a concern as this car was a show piece. It is possible that the 01-02 STi JDM caliper as I am speculating these calipers are, have the same bore or have been modified? I was hoping you were going to give me something definitive, but this still makes the most sense.

mines13 06-05-2012 05:18 PM

Replying to my self here, but even of the caliper offset was off, they could have machined the rotor or ran a spacer between the rotor and hub to make it functional if not correct.

Matt Andrews 06-05-2012 07:59 PM

those calipers look like they could be tapped on the other side to ensure the proper piston is on the leading edge, and the bleeder was still on top...

RavSpec 06-06-2012 12:48 AM

Wondering if GRB Spec C are the 6 piston brembo ??

cyde01 06-06-2012 04:20 PM

4 pot according to text.

OrbitalEllipses 06-06-2012 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RavSpec (Post 243614)
Wondering if GRB Spec C are the 6 piston brembo ??

R205 I think. Yep, just searched to confirm, the 6pot Brembos are from the R205.

Hanakuso 06-06-2012 04:44 PM

Looks like HKS Kansai put on some GVB brakes for the BRZ

http://www.kansaisv.co.jp/democar/subaru/brz/brz.jpg
http://www.kansaisv.co.jp/democar/subaru/brz/21.jpg

Racecomp Engineering 06-06-2012 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Andrews (Post 243116)
those calipers look like they could be tapped on the other side to ensure the proper piston is on the leading edge, and the bleeder was still on top...

that looks to be the case for those with the ability to do that. :)

- Andrew

FrX 06-07-2012 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Andrews (Post 243116)
those calipers look like they could be tapped on the other side to ensure the proper piston is on the leading edge, and the bleeder was still on top...


From the picture, and what other pictures I could find, it looks like they are already tapped. The caliper appears to be merely plugged on the non-bleeder side. Might be as easy as simply swapping the bleeder and plug.

Matt Andrews 06-07-2012 09:57 AM

Even if it's not drilling an tapping a hole is not hard work. Granted u will want to make sure it is done right considering its your brakes. But pressurize air and some grease on the bit should keep metal shavings out of the caliper.

Coheed 06-07-2012 02:33 PM

Spending that much money on a brake upgrade is a bit much, but then again it covers the front and rear?

I did a Brembo conversion on my sentra. Cost was about $1000 total. Calipers on the front were $200/side. The rears were cheaper. Then rotors were $30/side, and pads are $200 a set from the dealer. I got some cheaper ones, in a factory grade for $35-40. Spending $5k on a brake system is ludicrous.

The STI Brembos may not be that great on the STI, but take away 500lbs and they should be more than sufficient for the lightweight BRZ/FRS. I'm running generic pads/rotors on this 400hp sentra and track days are not an issue, though I only drive about 7/10.

I'm not a cheap bastard by any means, but it seems like their kit is overpriced by about $3000 at least!

OrbitalEllipses 06-07-2012 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 240212)
When you swap sides to fix the bleeder location, the differentially bored pistons are now backwards. So in short, you can't just slap OEM STI brembos on.

- Andrew

Been saying this for TOO long with no one listening.

AzFranz 06-10-2012 02:41 AM

Auto Produce out of Osaka. Been around for years. 441,000Y at an exchange rate of 79.48 Yen to the USD = $5548.56 That's just outrageous for this car and plain unnecessary.


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