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Keoki 10-03-2014 11:45 AM

Hi Prsr fuel pump fail
 
40,000 miles. Catastrophic fuel pump failure without warning. Left me on the side of a very dark road, at night, in the woods, with limited cell access.

sato 10-03-2014 12:20 PM

Sorry to hear about your experience. Was that diagnostic given by the dealer? Can you provide more information for everybody's benefit... like if you experience the crickets anytime during these 40,000 miles?

J_kennington 10-03-2014 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sato (Post 1970665)
Sorry to hear about your experience. Was that diagnostic given by the dealer? Can you provide more information for everybody's benefit... like if you experience the crickets anytime during these 40,000 miles?

Better questions would be:
how did it fail? Stopped pumping? Exploded?
Type of fuel ran? E85? 93? 91? 89?
Mods to car?

Right now I could say, well he put jet fuel in it for extra ponies, which caused the hpfp to try and go to the moon but nasa wouldn't clear it for space travel so it exploded under the stressful physical

HiredGun 10-03-2014 01:57 PM

HPFP's have had lots of issues in gas cars in general (look at BMW). They are VERY sensitive to fuel contamination, and who here does any testing on their fuel before filling up? I'm guessing none since it's not really possible to do. So the truth is you'll never know if there is an issue until something goes wrong, and if the gas in the tank test bad you are going to foot the bill for the repairs. My recommendation for these cars is to use only one reputable gas station and save all receipts.

frslee 10-03-2014 02:22 PM

Please post update!

extrashaky 10-03-2014 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sato (Post 1970665)
Can you provide more information for everybody's benefit... like if you experience the crickets anytime during these 40,000 miles?

So what if he did? That's not going to tell you anything, since it's a normal sound. It's like seeing a guy drop dead, and you say, "Did he talk at any point in his life?"

GotMunchies? 10-03-2014 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 1970894)
So what if he did? That's not going to tell you anything, since it's a normal sound. It's like seeing a guy drop dead, and you say, "Did he talk at any point in his life?"

Same reason a Doctor asks for a detailed patient history - more information makes a more informed diagnosis.

All of that is relevant, especially in a car model with little to no service history.

J_kennington 10-03-2014 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GotMunchies? (Post 1970932)
Same reason a Doctor asks for a detailed patient history - more information makes a more informed diagnosis.

All of that is relevant, especially in a car model with little to no service history.

He has a point though. Crickets are a known "side effect" of any hpfp. Wouldn't help diagnose anything just knowing that he heard him. Now if he said "my crickets were very quiet but that night it sounded like the bait shop just opened". Might be worth investigating.

extrashaky 10-03-2014 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GotMunchies? (Post 1970932)
Same reason a Doctor asks for a detailed patient history - more information makes a more informed diagnosis.

All of that is relevant, especially in a car model with little to no service history.

Patient: "Doctor, my liver exploded!"

Doctor: "Hmm. Have you ever taken a shower?"

Useless information.

Suppose the OP did have crickets. What will your "diagnosis" be, doctor?

FRSBRZGT86FAN 10-03-2014 08:35 PM

Rumors confirmed:

Crickets attempted to kill driver, crickets failed and destroyed car instead

Recommend going to dealers and filing warranty claims

Tcoat 10-03-2014 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 1971387)
Rumors confirmed:

Crickets attempted to kill driver, crickets failed and destroyed car instead

Recommend going to dealers and filing warranty claims

Lizard heard crickets. Tried to get to them. Destroyed fuel pump in process!

Lonewolf 10-03-2014 10:26 PM

Would love to see a follow-up by op...until then, filed under trolling

Tcoat 10-03-2014 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lonewolf (Post 1971536)
Would love to see a follow-up by op...until then, filed under trolling

Ha didn't notice till you said that but first post ever is fuel pump failure?

I am with you until more is said.

BRZnut 10-03-2014 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Keoki (Post 1970634)
40,000 miles. Catastrophic fuel pump failure without warning. Left me on the side of a very dark road, at night, in the woods, with limited cell access.


Give us some details...maybe picture too?

Keoki 10-04-2014 09:25 AM

File it wherever you want. Thought my situation might be helpful since it is relatively high milage vehicle. Dealer maintained, no mods, premium fuel. Symptoms were clattering noise (like a bad valve) approx 5 min before fail, engine light, engine to idle, then engine stop. Strong gasoline odor. Eventually towed to dealer who ordered parts and repaired, and provided rental at no cost. I love my car. I have owed similar cars throughout my life beginning with an Alfa Spyder at age 20 (in 1962 if you feel that to be relevant). I don't think the car is under powered. I didn't buy it to drag race I bought it to DRIVE. I don't look forward to changing the plugs. In all fairness to Toyota, the word is Subie is not going to improve the FP situation. I went through this with BMW and they FIXED the pump design. Hope this helps someone

sato 10-04-2014 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 1970894)
So what if he did? That's not going to tell you anything, since it's a normal sound. It's like seeing a guy drop dead, and you say, "Did he talk at any point in his life?"

It might point out that HPFP might have a worse fate after crickets. It might not be directly correlated, but while I have heard of crickets, haven't heard of an actual pump failure. Just wondering if they are related at all...

BRZnut 10-04-2014 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Keoki (Post 1971897)
File it wherever you want. Thought my situation might be helpful since it is relatively high milage vehicle. Dealer maintained, no mods, premium fuel. Symptoms were clattering noise (like a bad valve) approx 5 min before fail, engine light, engine to idle, then engine stop. Strong gasoline odor. Eventually towed to dealer who ordered parts and repaired, and provided rental at no cost. I love my car. I have owed similar cars throughout my life beginning with an Alfa Spyder at age 20 (in 1962 if you feel that to be relevant). I don't think the car is under powered. I didn't buy it to drag race I bought it to DRIVE. I don't look forward to changing the plugs. In all fairness to Toyota, the word is Subie is not going to improve the FP situation. I went through this with BMW and they FIXED the pump design. Hope this helps someone


Thanks for the details and yes it is helpful to hear what these cars do later in life as the miles pile on.


One question..was this the original fuel pump or was it changed in the past because of the crickets??

Keoki 10-04-2014 11:11 AM

It was the original pump. I guess I left out something that would otherwise cause this to be put in the s--t happens file. The mech that wrote it up said there was bolt sheering which could be caused by loose stuff. Might be worth checking periodically for loose bolts, etc. Regarding crickets, my pump never developed a noise like that which could be heard in the cockpit. You could hear a fuel pump noise with the hood up that could probably be traced to the operation of the fuel pump but I would not call this noise "crickets".

extrashaky 10-04-2014 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sato (Post 1971904)
It might point out that HPFP might have a worse fate after crickets. It might not be directly correlated, but while I have heard of crickets, haven't heard of an actual pump failure. Just wondering if they are related at all...

So again I ask, if the OP had crickets, what do you think that would tell you?

Lonewolf 10-04-2014 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keoki (Post 1971897)
File it wherever you want. Thought my situation might be helpful since it is relatively high milage vehicle. Dealer maintained, no mods, premium fuel. Symptoms were clattering noise (like a bad valve) approx 5 min before fail, engine light, engine to idle, then engine stop. Strong gasoline odor. Eventually towed to dealer who ordered parts and repaired, and provided rental at no cost. I love my car. I have owed similar cars throughout my life beginning with an Alfa Spyder at age 20 (in 1962 if you feel that to be relevant). I don't think the car is under powered. I didn't buy it to drag race I bought it to DRIVE. I don't look forward to changing the plugs. In all fairness to Toyota, the word is Subie is not going to improve the FP situation. I went through this with BMW and they FIXED the pump design. Hope this helps someone

Touchy, touchy. We just always have loser trolls who come on here spewing all kinds of garbage, only to leave after a post or two without any evidence or follow-up whatsoever. I am skeptical for a reason.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 10-07-2014 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keoki (Post 1971897)
File it wherever you want. Thought my situation might be helpful since it is relatively high milage vehicle. Dealer maintained, no mods, premium fuel. Symptoms were clattering noise (like a bad valve) approx 5 min before fail, engine light, engine to idle, then engine stop. Strong gasoline odor. Eventually towed to dealer who ordered parts and repaired, and provided rental at no cost. I love my car. I have owed similar cars throughout my life beginning with an Alfa Spyder at age 20 (in 1962 if you feel that to be relevant). I don't think the car is under powered. I didn't buy it to drag race I bought it to DRIVE. I don't look forward to changing the plugs. In all fairness to Toyota, the word is Subie is not going to improve the FP situation. I went through this with BMW and they FIXED the pump design. Hope this helps someone


File under lemon law


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