$10k DD
 

I currently daily a completely stock 1999 Civic Si EM1 coupe. It's a good car, but I realized after only a few months of ownership that I want something with 4/5 doors and more torque. It's fun to rev to 8000, but I can already do that in my S2000 with much better results. I've got the car posted on Craigslist right now and it's been getting a ton of hits, but so far no one is willing to get close to my asking price, which is higher than the price of your average hellaflush salvage titled EM1.

Anyways, assuming I can sell it sometime in the next few months, I'll be looking for a used ~$10k DD that meets the following criteria in order of importance:

1) Manual transmission
2) 4/5 door sedan/hatch/wagon/SUV, unless it's a 2-door with a roomy backseat
3) Reliable at 100k+ mileage and relatively easy to work on
4) Better-than-economy-car acceleration
5) Preferably AWD or RWD, but will consider FWD if it has a lot going for it and is still fun to drive
6) Has some swag, aka not a Corolla S or Accord
7) Minimum 20mpg average, premium fuel is fine

Cars I've considered so far:
1) 2002-2007 WRX - These are all over Craigslist, but for sub-$10k they usually have 130k+ miles.
2) G35 sedan - I heard they're not that reliable, and terrible on gas. They also look really bland.
3) Acura TSX/TL - Reliable with nice interiors but FWD.
4) Mk4 GTI 1.8T or VR6 - Not sure on reliability with ~100k miles, only 2 doors.
5) Lexus IS300 - Less powerful compared to G35 with equally terrible gas mileage, but more reliable. Hard to find in manual.

Am I being too picky in my price range? Shoot me with ideas/suggestions!

WRXs have horrid gas mileage too though lol, but they do have swag.

You're picking cars that carry a premium because they're 'swag' so they're marked up from 'enthusiast' demand and usually beat pretty hard.

Based on all your wants and needs I'd suggest a Legacy Wagon or Outback, but they don't get great mileage. If you weren't picky an Accord would be perfect but whatever, an '06 Legacy GT w/ MT will out accelerate a Toyobaru so there you go, saw one in the area for just under $10k and the 2.0L (non-GT, slow) get low 20's for mpg I believe

Try a Mazda3 on for size, supposed to be one of the most fun to drive FWD of the last 20 years or so. Zoom-zoom and all.

Mazda speed3

Well I am an enthusiast, so I tend to lean towards enthusiast cars. A Legacy GT would be amazing, especially the wagon. Kinda forgot about those. But how is the reliability? I would keep it mostly stock with a few bolt-ons, maybe COBB stage 1 at most.

These are usually over $10k with reasonable miles for the previous gen model, but I'll keep an eye out.

Mazda3 and Ford Focus are my go to cars for recommendation.
Mazda3, you can go for the 2.3L S trims, which are all hatchbacks BTW. Speed3s are far more expensive for a reason.
Focus, you can get the SVT, but avoid modded ones, or the super rare 2.3L Duratec ZX3. The '04-'05 ST is nothing but a ZX4 with the 2.3L engine. Don't bother looking at the '08-'11 Focus, it's nothing special. Granted, even a base engine Focus will accelerate rather briskly and the gearing is good for a 5 speed. It's not fast by American standards, but it's quick enough.

The reason why I recommend the Mazda3 and Focus to you is that the Duratec/MZR is almost exactly the same between them. Besides responding well to bolt-ons, it is a torquey engine that can make good power while still revving easily. One of the first mods people do is remove the counter-balance shafts and it improves considerably.

I don't know why you would want swag(which just means useless crap to me :iono:) but these cars have character. Their reliability is only above average compared to the excellent reliability typically given to a Civic or Corolla of the same vintage. But it's better than the WRX and GTI, I can say that much.

I barely know anything about the older Focus SVT models. They seem pretty similar on paper to the EP3 Civic Si hatch, except the Focus has a 5 door option. Basically just an economy hatch with a peppier engine, right?

I've never been a fan of the Mazda3 and probably never will be. It's an intangible thing, lol.

I'm also looking at the older Legacy GT sedans/wagons. Rare but possible to find for around $10k with a little over 100k miles. Thoughts on that compared to the older WRX?

Manual TSX.

Reliable, easy to find unabused(for now), sharp looking, nice clean interior, jdm parts for personalization.

$10k DD
 

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You be safe with the Honda lol

As far as the LGT or WRX, insurance will be cheaper with the LGT.

But here comes a horror story: I came from a 2005 Outback XT, its the same thing as a Legacy GT. I had to rebuild the engine due to a burnt exhaust valve. After that, sensor after sensor kept failing. I personally would not recommend getting one.

My top-5, in order:

- Mazdaspeed 3
- WRX
- Accord Coupe V6
- Forester 2.5 XT
- MK5 GTI

I DD a 2002 WRX currently. Its a nice change from the BRZ, loads more straight line, more practical, AWD for winter drifty, but its also extremely stiff just like the BRZ, creaky, 230000km, a pig on fuel...

+1 for Mazda3, they're underrated IMO, will be a good complement to the s2k, and you should be able to find a nice one for under $10k. I think most of the cars you listed aren't going to be in such great shape for that price….

All of the cars you named get horrible fuel economy for a daily. Not to mention most are just dated luxury sport. The only car I would even recommend from that list is the IS300. However, if you did find a 5 speed IS300 you would definitely be overpaying simply because they're so rare and at that point you might as well mod the car because you've got a standard 2JZ which is a complete waste to daily.

Just get a RSX TypeS or some other newer Honda and call it a day.

To further elaborate on what Bobblehead said, insurance on just about anything in the same price range will be less than a WRX. They are one of the most expensive "sports cars" to insure. The LGT might be a better option.

As for the SVT, the answer is no. The SVT had a lot of work put into the engine, suspension, and even some on the exterior. The '04-'05 pseudo-ST was just a bigger engine and some trim pieces. The first generation Focus was different from the Mazda3 suspension wise. The Mazda3 was using the global platform that wasn't introduced to the USDM Focus until MY2012. So it might be worth a look, it might not. :iono:

The best TSX you can find in that price range. Damn fine cars.

If you don't have a need to go driving over a snowy mountain pass or drifting around a race track, the drivetrain layout of your DD should be somewhat irrelevant. But ultimately, get what you want. The TSX is fun to drive too.

I can't bring myself to recommend anything German without a warranty.

If you want reliability and fuel economy stop looking at the GT and start looking at the i.

Fast, Reliable, Cheap, pick 2, that should have been the first response.

Let me try a different angle and see if it helps my decision:

What are the fastest or most fun cars for $10k that are reliable and have 4/5 doors?

It's been said already but I'd say the TSX still fits the requirements. It's not the fastest but it's still fun and reliable.

I bought a Honda Fit with only 19k miles on it for $10k. I'm guessing the Fit should last for 10+ years. It's not fast, but it's very practical and I actually enjoy driving it just as much as my FRS on the streets.

Put me down as one of the "Get a legacy GT" group.

Ive owned both a 2005 Legacy GT Limited and a 2002 WRX, I much prefer the WRX and costs between them are negligible.

Daily the S2K and wait for the FT-1

:slap:

You may be able to find a 06 audi a3 wagon. I really like the look of those, 200-300hp, the base model had fwd and the top one had awd. 19/29mpg if I remember correctly.

I owned a 2011 A3 sportback 6MT. Had an intake and Stage 1 tune on it. It was fast and hell (when the front tires had traction) and had a great interior, but I sold it at roughly 25k miles. Had cylinder misfires twice and had to replace 3 ignition coils and the intake manifold under warranty. Few months later the owner who bought it from me started complaining about starter and clutch problems, RIGHT after the warranty expired. I was so glad I dumped it.

So no, not looking to get back into one of those. :)

Stay away from high mileage European. MazdaSpeed3 is the best route to go.

I think I'd rather have the TSX than a Mazdaspeed 3.

A couple of people on another forum suggested the E36 M3. They said with a cooling system overhaul and replaced suspension components, it's a reliable car at 100k+ miles. Does anyone here have experience with these?

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The interior quality in those cars is horrible. Pieces fall off left and right. Plus they look very dated, and clean ones will cost a premium.

Have thought about letting go the fr-s for a while to free up some cash for an e36 m3 for a while. A major repair/maintenance can run to 5 g's if your not careful though. There was a nice down-to-earth example a while ago with blown engine for 6-7 g's a while ago.


Integra Type-R is a bit similar to OP's vehicle. Decent back seats, and a major repair isn't all that bad.. Would like to see these things always worth 5g's if taken care of for life?

I can overlook a slightly flimsy interior if I can find a mechanically solid M3. And I think the exterior looks fine.

If I find an M3 I will have it inspected thoroughly. And the ITR is like a 5-horned unicorn here. Pretty much not going to happen, and it's not different enough from my EM1 to justify anyways.

Right now I'm eyeing these cars, all manual:

Subaru Legacy GT sedan/wagon (semi-unicorn status)
Lexus IS300 (semi-unicorn status)
BMW E36 M3 coupe/sedan (likely a money pit but most fun to drive)
Acura TSX/TL (the "safe" choice)
Saab 9-3 Viggen (cool in a really weird way)

I will need to start test driving soon!

Saab 9-3 Viggen. Cool, weird and very difficult to find. Almost as rare as the Subaru Baja saw today.


Would not be surprised the IS300 will not achieve 20mpg. Toyota was trying to create a "clean-burn" engine back then?

Out of all those cars I would easily take the TL. You get a little bit of everything - performance,luxury and looks.

buy my buddys speed 3 http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/4651536774.html

No Toyota was sticking the 2JZ in everything back then. I miss those days.

E36 M3/4/5

Don't discount it until you drive one! It'll win for sure. If you do the small repairs and most of the maintenance yourself then it's not that expensive. The engine is also bulletproof.

E46 330i 4 door. Reliable? Probably not, lol.

Hmmm...


I think you're better off with a Corolla or a Saab 9-3.