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vh_supra26 09-13-2014 11:38 PM
Japanese Super GT’s New Regulations Previewed on Toyota GT 86
 
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For racing rookies, the Super GT series, or the All Japan Grand Touring Car Championship (JGTC), is a grand touring racing series that began in 1993, pitting famous cars like the Toyota Supra, Honda NSX and Nissan GT-R against each other on Japanese race tracks like Fuji Speedway, Suzuka and Twin Ring Motegi. The championship rules will apparently change shortly, coming with a rather important new addition.

With increased costs in recent years, the Super GT organizers are considering a new common platform on which all the cars should roll. The new underpinnings suggest a carbon fiber tub-like center platform with integrated rollcage that will act as a cockpit and center pivot for the rest of the car’s construction.

This means that each team is still allowed to add on their engine, drivetrain and suspension as long as they stick with the GT500 and GT300 regulations that limit the power accordingly.

Japanese racecar builder Dome just showed the first images with the new platform being integrated into the structure of the Toyota GT 86, that will be used to race in the GT300 series. Detailed specs have not been revealed though.

Cool or uncool? Despite the new high tech approach, we consider this a bit sad, since the GT300 series was all about cars closely resembling to their road-going versions. With the new structure though, the series will now be another step closer to the all-cars-are-the-same-only-driving-matters DTM style, leaving less “space” for manufacturers to showcase their technology.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ja...-86-85927.html

juliog 09-13-2014 11:39 PM
Nooooo....

dem00n 09-13-2014 11:44 PM
Lame.

I can't give much fucks if it doesn't have our chassis.

Still a cool racecar though...


Even in here in New York i hear quite whispers for NASCAR to have races with cars that actually reassemble what you buy on Monday.

Rampage 09-14-2014 02:42 AM
IMSA, DTM and Super GT signed a deal last year to have uniform rules going forward. This is the result; Formula cars with production looking bodies.

I much prefer watching sports and GT machines in PWC where they run the GT3 machines in the higher categories and what are pretty much enhanced showroom stock cars in the lower tier classes. The Continental Sports Car Series will be moving to GT3 rules soon as well.

Sarlacc 09-14-2014 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dem00n (Post 1945884)
...cars that actually reassemble what you buy on Monday.
So there are cars so clever they can take something broken and put it back together again, but only if it is bought on a Monday? Wow!

juliog 09-14-2014 06:15 PM
These organizations just don't get it. One of the reasons WRC is not as popular these days is the cars raced having little to do with the production models they're based on.

Gunman 09-14-2014 07:14 PM
As a designer, I like the idea. Turning an OEM chassis into a proper race car is a pain. You can do so much more with a purpose built chassis, along with making it safer, and easier to repair.

That said, I can understand the fans wanting to see the same thing they drive, out on the track.

Superhatch 09-14-2014 07:37 PM
"we consider this a bit sad, since the GT300 series was all about cars closely resembling to their road-going versions."

LOLOLOLOL

The GT300 BRZ used a different engine, and a tube chassis.

Look! This closely resembles the BRZ!!

http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...9/AY0F9221.jpg

http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...9/AY0F9174.jpg

Turbowned 09-15-2014 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Superhatch (Post 1946557)
"we consider this a bit sad, since the GT300 series was all about cars closely resembling to their road-going versions."

LOLOLOLOL

The GT300 BRZ used a different engine, and a tube chassis.

Look! This closely resembles the BRZ!!
What, your FR-S doesn't look like this under the clamshells? SHOULDA BOUGHT A BRZ TROLLOLOLOLOL

Superhatch 09-15-2014 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 1947180)
What, your FR-S doesn't look like this under the clamshells? SHOULDA BOUGHT A BRZ TROLLOLOLOLOL

My BRZ shares the same color codes as the GT300 version (maybe) but that's about it. :cheers:

carma143 09-15-2014 05:21 PM
I think it would be an amazing race if the only mods allowed would be "extra tire delete", different tires, different suspension, and an attachment to the stock engine (supercharger, etc). I would be willing to watch that race the whole way through cheering the beloved ft86, and I have never watched a full race before.

tahdizzle 09-15-2014 05:59 PM
I personally think this is a horrible idea. This is going to turn into Japanese NASCAR (Not that NASCAR is a bad thing). Which is probably what they want anyway.

Its going to turn into all the cars looking alike with some sort of vinyl wrap to say "I'm a nissan" or "I'm a toyota"... etc etc.

totopo 09-15-2014 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Rampage (Post 1945997)
IMSA, DTM and Super GT signed a deal last year to have uniform rules going forward. This is the result; Formula cars with production looking bodies.

I much prefer watching sports and GT machines in PWC where they run the GT3 machines in the higher categories and what are pretty much enhanced showroom stock cars in the lower tier classes. The Continental Sports Car Series will be moving to GT3 rules soon as well.
Gt3 rules are pretty lame too with the whole "Balance of performance"

Blu-by-U 09-15-2014 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 1947180)
What, your FR-S doesn't look like this under the clamshells? SHOULDA BOUGHT A BRZ TROLLOLOLOLOL


Your BRZ doesn't look like that under the hood either. The only real difference is the nose and that, like everything else, can be changed. This is why we have GT-86's in the U.S., someone rebadged their twin.


Almost as bad as the original "Plymouth Laser, Eagle Talon, Mitsubishi Eclipse", same car with minor differences. :wrongforum: for TROLLS.


Nice looking body kit, would be fun replicate.

Rampage 09-15-2014 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by totopo (Post 1948000)
Gt3 rules are pretty lame too with the whole "Balance of performance"
BOP or some similar system is the only way you can have competitive multi marque racing. Every successful professional non-spec racing series uses some rules set to balance performance between manufacturers. Without it one make of car dominates and everyone switches to it while spectators and manufacturers leave the series in droves. More or less equalizing the car puts some of the focus on driver ability. It also makes for a good show. That keeps people interested which makes for happy sponsors and manufacturers.

Just consider it a necessary evil and enjoy the show where a Bentley can compete with a Porsche 911 GT3R which can compete with a Ferrari 458 which can compete with a McLaren 12C which can compete with BMWZ4 which can compete with a Corvette C7 etc. etc.

Blu-by-U 09-15-2014 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rampage (Post 1948038)
BOP or some similar system is the only way you can have competitive multi marque racing. Every successful professional non-spec racing series uses some rules set to balance performance between manufacturers. Without it one make of car dominates and everyone switches to it while spectators and manufacturers leave the series in droves. More or less equalizing the car puts some of the focus on driver ability. It also makes for a good show. That keeps people interested which makes for happy sponsors and manufacturers.

Just consider it a necessary evil and enjoy the show where a Bentley can compete with a Porsche 911 GT3R which can compete with a Ferrari 458 which can compete with a McLaren 12C which can compete with BMWZ4 which can compete with a Corvette C7 etc. etc.


NASCAR, the racing of upside down bathtubs.

Gunman 09-15-2014 08:30 PM
BoP, and the threat of BoP adjustments, helps fine tune the art of sandbagging :) Even though IMSA made a rule against sandbagging, lol.

tahdizzle 09-15-2014 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rampage (Post 1948038)
BOP or some similar system is the only way you can have competitive multi marque racing. Every successful professional non-spec racing series uses some rules set to balance performance between manufacturers. Without it one make of car dominates and everyone switches to it while spectators and manufacturers leave the series in droves. More or less equalizing the car puts some of the focus on driver ability. It also makes for a good show. That keeps people interested which makes for happy sponsors and manufacturers.

Just consider it a necessary evil and enjoy the show where a Bentley can compete with a Porsche 911 GT3R which can compete with a Ferrari 458 which can compete with a McLaren 12C which can compete with BMWZ4 which can compete with a Corvette C7 etc. etc.
.... this BOP is exactly why I would lose interest. If everyone switched to one type of vehicle because that vehicle was the dominant make then spectators would leave. That is exactly what they are doing. "You can have any body you want, but make sure it has this carbon fiber tub." That means the only variance would be aero. And then there would be a dominant aero that if you want to win you would have to use. And you would have all the cars looking the same with the same power train.... NASCAR.

Tell Japan "Welcome to 40 years ago."

Rampage 09-15-2014 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tahdizzle (Post 1948065)
.... this BOP is exactly why I would lose interest. If everyone switched to one type of vehicle because that vehicle was the dominant make then spectators would leave. That is exactly what they are doing. "You can have any body you want, but make sure it has this carbon fiber tub." That means the only variance would be aero. And then there would be a dominant aero that if you want to win you would have to use. And you would have all the cars looking the same with the same power train.... NASCAR.

Tell Japan "Welcome to 40 years ago."
I was not talking about Super GT. I was addressing the comment about GT3 which uses BOP to balance marques that do not use silhouette racing. Yes, DTM and the new Super GT are more like the old NASCAR who has moved at least a little bit away from what you describe by burying the COT concept and gone back to using some original panels. All three of those series are still close to SPEC racing.

GT3 uses BOP to avoid spec racing.

Gunman 09-15-2014 10:42 PM
The common tub concept still leave engine, suspension, and aero open, but BoP will even out the racing.

NASCAR gen6 still doesn't use OEM panels, but they are closer to OEM looking, but they are stamped and carry OEM part numbers.

Turbowned 09-16-2014 02:37 PM
Yes, thank you, I know this because I own a BRZ and have opened the hood on it many times. I've also spent time in Tokyo at STi HQ looking over the actual GT300 BRZ and its engine. I guess humor doesn't translate well to some people on the internet... *shakes head*

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Originally Posted by jdv14476 (Post 1948021)
Your BRZ doesn't look like that under the hood either. The only real difference is the nose and that, like everything else, can be changed. This is why we have GT-86's in the U.S., someone rebadged their twin.


Almost as bad as the original "Plymouth Laser, Eagle Talon, Mitsubishi Eclipse", same car with minor differences. :wrongforum: for TROLLS.


Nice looking body kit, would be fun replicate.


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