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lookchris 09-12-2014 11:07 AM

Ignition Problems
 
I have a 2013 BRZ limited, and I've been having some starting issues. I have to push the button a number of times before my car turns on. Anyone else having the same issue?

humfrz 09-12-2014 11:42 AM

Does it turn over and not start or turns over but doesn't fire up ..... ??

humfrz

Muskokan 09-12-2014 11:58 AM

Manual or auto?

JPxM0Dz 09-12-2014 12:21 PM

This happened to me a few times recently [2013 LTD] Nothing when push start, had a flashing key symbol on instrument panel. Thought my battery was dead on key fob, so I grabbed my other fob and it started right away. It happened again with second key fob later on, push start and flashing key symbol on instrument panel. Anyhow, to make a long story short, both times push start failed, I had used keyless entry. Meaning I walked up to car and pulled handle to unlock. When I push unlock doors with key fob, I never have the issue. I'm sure there's a logical explanation, But I'm too lazy to investigate it further...

stugray 09-12-2014 12:37 PM

I have never seen that.
Mine starts every single time on the first try.
Never more than 2 seconds of cranking even when below freezing.

22,000 miles.

If you are pushing the button and nothing happens, then maybe it is the clutch switch (assuming MT)

lookchris 09-12-2014 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muskokan (Post 1943851)
Manual or auto?


Manual

lookchris 09-12-2014 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 1943833)
Does it turn over and not start or turns over but doesn't fire up ..... ??

humfrz

When I push, nothing but electric works.

lookchris 09-12-2014 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stugray (Post 1943908)
I have never seen that.
Mine starts every single time on the first try.
Never more than 2 seconds of cranking even when below freezing.

22,000 miles.

If you are pushing the button and nothing happens, then maybe it is the clutch switch (assuming MT)

I was considering the clutch, but my buddy had the same issue on his is250 and that was auto.

humfrz 09-12-2014 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 1943833)
Does it turn over and not start or turns over but doesn't fire up ..... ??

humfrz

That was one dumb post ...... http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...thumbsdown.gif


humfrz

Burrcold 09-12-2014 09:53 PM

I've had it a happen twice before. All electrical came on and the gauge did the needle sweep, but didn't even try to turn the engine over. Nothing at all. Walked out if the car, locked it, came back in and it worked. No idea why and I know the dealer will never be able to recreate so meh.

Poodles 09-13-2014 12:27 AM

The steering wheel lock could be the issue as well.

lookchris 09-13-2014 01:34 AM

Such a weird problem. I notice it happens more when I drive with the a/c on prior to me starting it again.

Muskokan 09-13-2014 10:48 AM

When this happens id try pumping the clutch a couple times, and/or hitting it 2 without clutch to turn everything on first, then clutch and start from there. Sounds like a safety thing which I would assume would be the clutch sensor.

And hey if all else fails, bump that sucka your in a manual son

Tcoat 09-13-2014 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 1944915)
The steering wheel lock could be the issue as well.

Would agree completely if a key but not sure how the wheel lock works with the button. My old lancer used to do that all the time. Just give the wheel a twist until the lock clicks and try again. Worth a shot.

Poodles 09-13-2014 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 1945287)
Would agree completely if a key but not sure how the wheel lock works with the button. My old lancer used to do that all the time. Just give the wheel a twist until the lock clicks and try again. Worth a shot.



It's released with a solenoid, and if it's stuck, you have to turn the wheel a bit and hit the button again. Same basic procedure as if it had a key.

lookchris 09-19-2014 11:52 AM

Alright you guys quick little update. So it started up normally for awhile and then a few times same issue. I got to try the steering wheel lock, but wasn't the solution. Also tried clutch out then clutch in start, still not the solution. Even gave reentry with out using key less entry still no solution any other suggestions? I notice it happens more offten on hot days, could just be a coincidence.

lookchris 02-17-2015 11:26 AM

hahaha its been awhile since ive posted on this, so my car has been starting up pretty well until recently!!! I was stuck twice last week. 2 times just had to pop start the sucka. Brought it to subaru yesterday, and ofcourse they got it to start every damn time!!! took her home got dressed, tried to leave to grab a bite to eat and go figure, she did not fire.

Its kinda silly, but more annoying. Hopefully this gets figured out soon

Guillaume 02-17-2015 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lookchris (Post 1953150)
Alright you guys quick little update. So it started up normally for awhile and then a few times same issue. I got to try the steering wheel lock, but wasn't the solution. Also tried clutch out then clutch in start, still not the solution. Even gave reentry with out using key less entry still no solution any other suggestions? I notice it happens more offten on hot days, could just be a coincidence.

I experience a similar problem (yet it might be different) on very rare occasions. Pressing the "unlock" button on the remote does the trick, it starts right up after that. Give it a try next time?

lookchris 02-27-2015 10:00 PM

check this out you guys, my car starts (3 for 3) every time i try to record the problem!!!

fatalelement 02-27-2015 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lookchris (Post 2150432)
check this out you guys, my car starts (3 for 3) every time i try to record the problem!!!

Just record it every day forever! Problem solved!

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lookchris 02-28-2015 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatalelement (Post 2150464)
Just record it every day forever! Problem solved!

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:cheers: hahaha thats the plan!!! :burnrubber:

stugray 02-28-2015 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 1945576)
It's released with a solenoid, and if it's stuck, you have to turn the wheel a bit and hit the button again. Same basic procedure as if it had a key.

I question this answer.
If the steering lock is actuated by a solenoid, then is the solenoid, energized when locked? (seems this would drain the battery), or is it energized when UNlocked (seems like a safety concern if power to that part of system is lost - blown fuse).

I never questioned the other thread where the guy said his steering locked while driving if it could have possibly been the security lock system acting up....

Poodles 02-28-2015 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stugray (Post 2150890)
I question this answer.
If the steering lock is actuated by a solenoid, then is the solenoid, energized when locked? (seems this would drain the battery), or is it energized when UNlocked (seems like a safety concern if power to that part of system is lost - blown fuse).

I never questioned the other thread where the guy said his steering locked while driving if it could have possibly been the security lock system acting up....



Hmm... I don't know off hand as I've never messed with a column from a car without a key. I'd assume that it has some kind of lock mechanism that holds it open until actuated to close again so this failure mode isn't possible. Fairly easy to test, hit the button to turn the car on without starting the engine and if the column is unlocked, disconnect the battery and see if it relocks.


I agree it would be a dangerous situation if it is indeed a sprung solenoid that can relock if it loses power.

stugray 02-28-2015 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 2150930)
Hmm... I don't know off hand as I've never messed with a column from a car without a key. I'd assume that it has some kind of lock mechanism that holds it open until actuated to close again so this failure mode isn't possible. Fairly easy to test, hit the button to turn the car on without starting the engine and if the column is unlocked, disconnect the battery and see if it relocks.


I agree it would be a dangerous situation if it is indeed a sprung solenoid that can relock if it loses power.

Or... (I forgot one solution) there are "latching relays" that stay in the last commanded position without power holding them there.

I suppose you could make a latching solenoid.
To be honest, I'm not even sure that my BRZ HAS a steering lock. Never checked, or noticed...

For security systems, there are two kinds of door locks: Fail-safe (if power is lost door is free to open) or fail-secure (if power is lost you cannot open the door).


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