TWINCHARGED (Supercharged & Turbocharged) Widebody "WTF-86" 86/FRS *MASSIVE* build :D
 

So I think I previously had a build thread on here but I guess you could say things got pretty serious :P

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If you want to see the tiny details, the full build is here: https://www.facebook.com/streetfx86


Anyways, I will skip the boring stuff and get up to speed...

Was this (stock):

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=2894


Then this (trd):

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=2889

Then we stuck an AVO turbo kit on it, which made the car feel like it should have from stock:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=2900

Made this possible on semi slicks:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=2863


Fitted AP racing brakes front and rear:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=2899


Then the real fun started:

http://www.streetfx.com.au/galleries/86/rb3.jpg

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3000

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Not being happy to be like everyone else, we moulded the kit into the body:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3046

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3067

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3065

Made some custom (functional) BRZ fender vents:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3040

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3035


http://www.streetfx.com.au/galleries...widemolded.jpg

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3239

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Also didn't like the way the RB kit ditches the pretty rear fog light, so we moulded that in too:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3664

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3756


Added a Seibon hood (which we painted, as you will see later):

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After the car was painted, the 'original' stock colour, I decided I didn't like it.. I probably should have thought of this first:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3554


The toys meeting for the first time:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3551


Got some new rims:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/uploads/...1390215479.jpg


Choosing new color:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3509


With colour chosen, reassembly began:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3864

You can see the blue pearl in the bright white paint in this pic.. It's very noticeable in the sun - pics don't really do it justice:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3865

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Lip, skirts and diffuser is painted in the 'Tornado Grey' metallic.. Inspired by the two tone white/grey of my R35 GTR.

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3881

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3882


Body was completed.. :

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3891

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3897


You can really see the blue pearl coming out in this pic:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3906



I suppose you will be happy to know that all the while the body was being done, the spare FA20 engine was undergoing an overhaul also:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3902


Sleeved, forged pistons, rods, decompressed:

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3903


Kalen from Forged Performance built us an exhaust manifold (twice, because of clearance issues with the ATI pulley, but that is something I don't think either of us want to talk about LOL):

http://www.brzforums.com.au/index.ph...attach_id=3876

Now for the specs, I most likely will have forgotten some stuff, but this is what I can remember off the top of my head..

Engine:
CNC'd block
Darton Sleeves
Forged CP Pistons
Billet Rods
Upgraded valve train
HKS head Gaskets
ARP Bolts
ATI Harmonic Balancer
Raceseng Lightweight pulleys
RPS Carbon Clutch
Motec M150 ECU
CDI ignition coils
Radium fuel rails
Sprintex S5-335 Supercharger (335L/second)
Custom made Forged Performance V-Band exhaust manifold
Blouch/Tial/Garret GTX hybrid turbo
Hypertune front mount intercooler for turbocharger
Water to Air front mount intercooler for supercharger
Forged performance twin-charger intake piping kit
2000cc Bosch injectors
HKS Oil cooler
AEM Water/Meth kit with twin tanks
FBM high volume sump (modified with traps)
Greddy Exhaust
Tial 44mm wastegate
Tial BOV
Koyo Radiator
Beatrush Catch can
FBM thermo fans


Suspension:
MCA red coilovers
Cusco rear LCA
RacerX rear UCA
Cusco toe arms
Cusco traction arms
Cusco rear power brace
Whiteline rear swaybar links
Whiteline rear swaybars
Whiteline bush kit
Whiteline diff bushes
Cusco front power brace
Whiteline adjustable tie rod ends
RacerX front LCA
Cusco front and rear strut braces


Drivetrain:
Drive shaft shop CF tail shaft
Drive shaft shop upgraded axles
TRD 2-Way LSD


Brakes/Wheels/Tyres:
APR carbon brake vents and ducts
AP Racing front and rear brakes (330mm)
Concave Concept 18x11, +9 front, -10 rear offset
Yokohama A050 295/30/18 front and rear


Body:
Modified Rocketbunny widebody (fitted by Cameron's Bodyworks)
Custom white with blue pearl
Seibon Hood
Valenti Lights



This project wouldn't have been possible without the countless hours of help from our friends along the way.

Huge thanks to:

GT Auto Garage
Forged Performance*
Camerons Bodyworks
CarMods Australia
JHH Engineering
MVP Motorsports
MoTEC
MCA suspension
Bullet Supercars
999 Automotive
86Worx
Import Monster
Solar Style Window Tinting
NorthShore Toyota
AudioExpress Brisbane
OnTheRun Motorsports
Hertz Audio
Full Blown Motorsports
Option 1 Garage
Bayside Autostyling
Prospeed Racing
GFB Australia

And anyone else that I might have forgotten! I am sure there are a few :\

I will be updating the facebook page over the next week, so for full updates, follow it here:

https://www.facebook.com/streetfx86

Update: 10-Sep-2014:

Bullet superchargers has tracked down the big S5-335 monster supercharger, Kalen from Forged Performance has finished our manifold, and everything is now bolted together, ready to be dropped in.. 999 Automotive hooked us up some Whiteline bits, and Car mods Australia sourced us some Cusco suspension parts..


Here is the new supercharger:

http://www.streetfx.com.au/cms/wp-co.../01/big-sc.jpg


Much bigger than the standard Sprintex 150:

http://www.streetfx.com.au/cms/wp-co...01/engine3.jpg


Exhaust manifold by Forged Performance is beautiful!

http://www.streetfx.com.au/cms/wp-co...ani-edited.jpg


Clearance with the aftermarket crank pulley (we are running an ATI pulley which resulted in Kalen from FP having to make a whole new exhaust manifold in 4 days):

http://www.streetfx.com.au/cms/wp-co...manifold-2.jpg


Dummy engine with the manifold:

http://www.streetfx.com.au/cms/wp-co...-manifold3.jpg


Meanwhile back up in Brisbane, 999 Automotive supplied a whole catalogue of Whiteline suspension parts, and Car Mods Australia gave us a great deal on some Cusco arms. We also sourced some RacerX front LCA and rear UCA's to get maximum adjustment out of the beast:

http://www.streetfx.com.au/cms/wp-co...suspension.jpg

http://www.streetfx.com.au/cms/wp-co...9auto-Copy.jpg

Another underside view showing the suspension setup:

http://www.streetfx.com.au/cms/wp-co...1/IMG_0550.jpg

Got Grip?

http://www.streetfx.com.au/cms/wp-co...1/IMG_0551.jpg

wtf is right, holy shit.

Next we got ready for the really exciting part... Everything was ready to put together the engine at GT Auto Garage!

http://www.streetfx.com.au/cms/wp-co...1/IMG_0504.jpg

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Now we are in the middle of installing a Forged Performance twincharged kit, utilising a monster S5/335 Sprintex blower, and a GTX hybrid turbo.


Huge thanks to Kalen from Forged Performance for his insane amount of hard work to get us where we are on the twin charge.


GT Auto Garage have got the old engine ready to be dropped out on Monday, then we hope to have it running within the next week.

Updates to follow :)

This is insane!

Now this is a build!

Holy death wish!!!

Well damn. ..

One of the few RB kits that looks like the extra track width will actually be used! Love the molded look too, much more classy. If that's even possible with a RB twin.

How are you expecting the twin screw to flow more air than it already is at a given RPM? Pressurizing the air before it gets to the blower won't make it flow more air...

Interested to see how this works. Love the car and I'm sure this is a $75,000 car by now (with labor). Just more interested to see if a twincharged setup will work because I've seen a lot fail, and a lot not make good power.

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Yes it does.

That's what "compound boost" is all about. It multiplies whatever is fed to it.

Rather than trying to explain from scratch, here's something prepared earlier, from Wikipedia: "compounded boost is always produced as the pressure ratios of the two compressors are multiplied, not added. In other words, if a turbocharger which produced 10 psi (0.7 bar) (pressure ratio = 1.7) alone blew into a supercharger which also produced 10psi alone, the resultant manifold pressure would be 27 psi (1.9 bar) (PR=2.8) rather than 20 psi (1.4 bar) (PR=2.3). This form of series twincharging allows for the production of boost pressures that would otherwise be unachievable with other compressor arrangements and would be inefficient."

About double that figure by now :S

I stopped counting when it got to six figures.. It just gets depressing.. :brokenheart:


I could make more power with just the turbo. The twin-charger is mostly because I have never had a supercharged car before and felt like being different. On top of this, I hated how ugly the engine bays are standard, so I figured if I cover the top of that boxer thing with a big supercharger it helps :)

Other options were VR38 (my R35 GTR made me fall in love with the VR38), or a V10 from an M5, though both those options were getting into unknown territories with fitment and would have had big complications with engine management.

I am not sure how well it will go yet, but we will see. If nothing else, it is a fun project, and if it causes us any grief we will go back to plain turbo eventually.. Time will tell :)

pretty interesting stuff. lets see some videos of this thing up and running

Good lord this is gonna be EPIC

Holy shit this is awesome. In for more updates

Awesome job on the build

We're doing Australia proud lol

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Nice build!
Doesn't look like you missed a thing..!
Paint looks awesome as well..
Very nice.. Thanks for sharing..

Best FT86 build in the world.

This is an awesome setup! Thank you for sharing. BTW, I too love the VR38 it is ridiculous how much power it makes.

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Craziest build on this forum by a huge margin. Good job :)

This is sick! Awesome job.

This build is coming along amazingly!

Please keep us posted. Insane and beautidul


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Thanks for the kind words guys :)

For the short sighted folk that seem to be bickering and claiming that twincharging with a positive displacement blower wont work - you really might need to repeat physics at school :)

I was linked to people arguing that this wont work, on facebook.. While you might mean well - your assumptions and basic understanding of the physics behind this are flawed. I can understand it is a difficult concept to understand, but you can easily simplify it. Dont over think and over complicate things!

(See attachments for people's fb arguing over it)

Those who say that the 'blower will only put out a set flow for a set rpm', that is not the case if the input pressure increases - eg if you go where the atmospheric pressure is higher or lower - the SC will compress whatever air is given to it.

If you increase the atmospheric pressure, the blower will multiply *whatever* is fed into it.

If you feed it 10psi above atmospheric pressure, and the blower is set to compress 10psi, then you will get:

Turbo:
10/14.7psi = 0.7 pressure ratio + atmospheric = 1.7x

Supercharger:
10/14.7psi = 0.7 pressure ratio + atmospheric = 1.7x

1.7x1.7 = 2.89 - 1 atmosphere = 1.89x atmospheric pressure = 27.8psi when 10psi is fed into a 10psi blower.


I can understand what Wes is *trying* to say, but in short, he is plain wrong.

A turbo is creating positive pressure on the SC, just the same as it creates positive pressure on the engine when the valves are open - the supercharger just re-compresses the already compressed air. Even if you dont want to take my word for it, there are HUNDREDS of people that have done this before me, there are even FACTORY CARS and RALLY TEAM CARS that are twin charged.

When he says it 'offers no benefits', that's quite simply a silly thing to say. This large turbo would take til 4000+ rpm to spool to 25psi normally, with the sc, we will see full boost at half that! It will produce boost from IDLE.

It is true that a straight turbo will be FAR simpler, FAR cheaper and lighter, AND a straight turbo has potential to more efficiently make peak power. BUT this is being built to meet what *I* want, not to meet what you 'speculate', with no proof aside from hearsay and misinterpreting other people's research.

Part of the reason for this build is to NOT be practical, to deliberately do something different and eye catching for promotional purposes and to showcase our company and our friend's companies who helped develop this setup.

Your misinterpreted research is all well and good, but we have actually DONE it (check Forged Performance's JET86 build thread), we have not just read about it.. Practical real world results trump incorrectly interpreted internet research.

I can show you a video of the car with TWO boost gauges, one after the turbo and one after the supercharger.. I will run 9psi or so out of the turbo, and a 10psi pulley on the supercharger and you will see a 25psi manifold pressure - will THAT make those who doubt this project reconsider, or will they just go quiet and not admit defeat.. I am interested to see their reaction..

:)


Here is some literature for the naysayers..

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twincharger"]Twincharger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


After you have spent some time reading the wikipedia entry, rethink your approach, and consider that BOOST is merely a measure of how much air is NOT getting into the engine.. If it were as you claim, then a turbocharger wouldnt work either.. All a turbo is doing is increasing the effective atmospheric pressure before the throttle body..

@WTF did you plastidip your emblems or paint? or did you buy them from grazio & co? please let me know

The physics part you stated is describing what happens when you compound boost. The one that is more applicable is limit of compression, I.e. phase change to liquid under compression and you are no where near it.
Arguing on the internet over physics never ends well, the majority of people are dumbasses.

Well unless we intend to boost to 3000psi, I think we are fine about keeping the air as a gas :D

And yes, it's like hitting head against a brick wall, people just seem to be all too quick to mock what they don't understand. Even showing practical examples of it ACTUALLY working don't seem to be enough to disprove their internet research.. *shakes head*


Used plastidip, has lasted well :)

There's another brand out here called 'EasySkin' which im not sure if you guys have in the USA yet.. Does same thing.

TELL ME WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE GT86?! STOP BULLSHITING AROUND AGENT. TELL ME! WHERE DID YOU HIDE IT? I KNOW ITS AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE!

So badass man I love the idea of the twincharger, really awesome work in there. Also sounds amazing, very unique with the supercharger wine and turbo spool haha

no this will never work my tuner told me so he tuned my ebay chip and showed me the dyno he knows what's he's talking about. this guy is just wasting money on this lol i have a friend with a del sol 750rwhp it's not going to work waste of money lol.

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