Porsche Cayman S
 

Not sure if it's a new model or not...But those are fast...

I have the 9psi Vortech, time to install 385s and 270 L fuel pump...e85

Wider, stickier tires, and some driver mods...




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Duh it's a Porsche

wat.

Go home, you're drunk.

Stock '14 Cayman S will do 12.7 easily..

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A stock Cayman will still drop panties faster than a boosted twin ;)

I think OP is making fun of the "how to build a Cayman killer" thread...

The fuck is this thread? Dude...Porsche....

I watch those csg vids.. and wonder

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It was opposite though, had a few beers afterwards to calm the adrenaline rush

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Yep, that's the question, what handling mods and fuel upgrades to pass the Cayman s 14? It's gotta be less than 30k

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And the reason not to just buy a Cayman, I want a sleeper

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http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73135

OP reminds me of this genius

Buy a Corvette, they're great sleepers —nobody expects their drivers to drive them fast! :D

sleeper
 

I wouldn't consider the new one sleepers...

I have had multiple vettes race me in my 200 stock hp frs

If you want a "sleeper" you're better off with the Cayman then a modded and tuned FR-S/BRZ.

I've been thinking about this a lot. I read some where that as they were co-developing the twins they always had a Cayman near by. The Cayman was the handing target for the FT86 platform.

Forget the panty-dropping-factor, or the huge difference in luxury and refinement that separate these two platforms. Which do you think would be cheaper to keep over 4-6 years; A modded 300WHP FR-S or a Cayman S?

I raced 5 vetted on Friday. Kicked their buts too. They were on the back of a truck. Got cool pic but it didn't upload.

Sleeper is a Focus ST dressed up as a Focus Edge 1.0 Ecoboost. The Twins are as much of a sleeper car as the Cayman.

I guess time will tell

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close call...time will tell

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I've backed my self into a corner of sorts; RWD only, I don't want another BMW, can't really winter a Corvette or an Elise in Chicago, can't afford a 911, don't want a 4 door, or a convertible (so the Miata and S2000 is out). What's left is a Genesis, FR-S/BRZ, the 370z and the Caymen.

The FR-S and the Cayman are the only two sub 3000lbs cars out of the group of four (with the FR-S being the lightest). So...

I was going to trade in my FR-S in for a base Cayman before I thought about it but instead I'm going to mod the FR-S.

On paper the Cayman is perfect (Mid-engined, perfect 50/50 weight balance, strong NA motor, great wheels&tires, awesome brakes, refined quiet interior) and expensive. Over twice the price. WAYYYY better resale value. Automatic superficial social status bump (for those who care)

Take an FR-S and dump $15k into turbo, cooling, exhaust, and brake upgrades and you have a paper tiger thats $15k cheaper then a Cayman and out preforms a Cayman S. The only issue is that's it's a kludge of other people's parts (OPP YO!:D) and I wonder about longevity

(don't mind me, I'm thinking "out loud"...)

Yep.

Here's something to consider: Which car do you think will cost you more over 5 years of ownership, including reselling the car. A new FRS with $15k in mods or a 3-4 year old CPO Cayman S?

The answer is the FRS. You'll take a big hit on buying a new car, and then get little return, if any, for all the money dumped into modifications.

Of course not everything is about money. Some people like tuning for the sake of tuning.

There's a similar topic on miata.net right now talking about modded NB miata vs Boxster.

I would buy a CS.

New modded FR-S vs. CPO Cayman S. Now that's a tempting question. A quick look at porsche.com's CPO search turned up a few 2010-2011's that meet the criteria and would end up costing an average of $53,500. Basically the cost of a new Cayman ($52,600.00 MSRP).

There's still a pretty serious amount of deprecation left on our hypothetical Cayman S. The only analog I have is the M3 Vert I traded in on the FR-S. In 2008 I bought a 2006 M# vert with 11,000 miles on the clock for $43k and then 4 years later I gave it up for $15k with 97,000 miles. The dealer actually sold it for $17k but lets use the $15k number because it's a worst case scenario.

Using my experience as a baseline, the depreciation on the CPO Cayman S over 4 years and 86,000 miles would be about 66% or $34.8k. At the end of four years the Cayman S would be worth about $18k

The FR-S over 4 years and 86,000 the FR-S should depreciate about %72 or $18.3k. So, after 4 years the FR-S is worth $7k. Add the mods to the total and it adds another $15k bringing the four year cost to $33.3k

Four year cost of the CPO Caymen S is $34.8k
Four year cost of the FR-S with Mods is $33.3k

If I sell the FR-S you're right; I would have thrown away $11k.

What's really interesting to me about the exercise is that you're actually ahead as long as you hold on to the car. My personal belief is that maintaining the Cayman will cost a small fortune (I wish someone who had one could chime in here). I'm not sure the difference would exceed $11k...

Over 2 years I've lost £14'300 on a stock Cayman 2.9 & £10'900 on a stock BRZ (add about 2000 to both for an A1 condition private sale). £3'400 doesn't buy in terms of mods & doubt that you'll get much back from your money you put into the mods. Of course there's the problem of finding the extra £15'000 for the Cayman in the first place.

Agreed. Mods are generally worthless when it comes to a car's resale value at best. And at worst they actually take away it's value.

The difference is that most mods have intrinsic value that doesn't depreciate as much
 

Mods have intrinsic value, that can be sold used to recoup some of the expenditure. I would say between 30-50% of the outlay..

As long as you don't sell the stock parts and can return the car to its original state, actually having the mods INCREASES the value of a less expensive modded car because you can turn around and sell those mods to someone else.

IOW, you can't just throw out the value of those parts assuming that anyone who sells the car will include the parts with the car even when it can DECREASE the value of the car as opposed to removing the mods and selling it as close to stock.

That's the main difference between tuning a car and paying someone else to tune it.

As a tuner, we can relatively easily and inexpensively remove the mods and sell them, increasing any resale value by being able to recoup some of the cost of the mods.

The only way it makes sense to sell stock parts like wheels, etc... is if you can't afford the mods without selling them, in which case, you wouldn't be able to afford a higher end car like a cayman s to begin with...

The other best thing about a car that is modded versus a more expensive starting car is that there is no immediate need for the ability to pay for mods like there is with a more expensive car...

You can keep the car and save up for a year to buy a supercharger or turbo kit... or save up for 3-6 months to buy coil overs...

With a more expensive car, you have to be able to afford the greater expense RIGHT NOW...

I don't get why a tuner would want to sell their car anyways...the point of making your own car, is to make your own car...

Jaden

Just a small correction - the new Caymans are actually balanced 46/54. The older ones were 45/55.

Overall I agree with your post though. The Caymans and Boxsters are incredibly good packages as a whole.

Sometimes it's not about money it's about space. Off-site self-store storage locker + insurance for a fair few parts starts adding up to more value than the items being stored within a few years. I'm pushing the limits of the out house associated with my flat with two sets of wheels, a decent tool kit & 2 cycles.

Noted! :thumbsup:

Yeah I can see that...
 

I recently had to get a storage unit, because my garage was getting full...

9foot pool table and three lathes and other shop equipment take up a lot of space...

Jaden

This is something that I forget about. When I mod a car I don’t keep the parts because I don’t have the storage space for them.
^^^ This is a little more to the point, and then it’s not…

There’s a lot of people on this forum who have purchased the FR-S and then immediately spent the value of the car in mods (Rocket Bunny + custom paint + BBK’s + forged wheels + FI&Exhaust = $30k easy…)

I didn’t want another German car when I bought my FR-S. If I did I would have ended up being a Caymen or a BMW M Coupe with an S54 in it. The Japanese vibe is just different. The FT86 platform cars aren’t as well engineered or as strongly built as a BMW or a Porsche. They are also a lot lighter and honestly this car feels different than anything else I’ve driven. Miata’s are similar. Perhaps an RX-7 would feel the same way (the FD’s 2800lbs)

I duno what storage prices are for you but around here insured storage for a single garage sized unit is over £120pcm. Which is a set of high end 17" wheels with change over a year.

it was for my wife's stuff mostly...
 

it was mostly for an electric dryer and a bunch of clutter my wife had that has built up and was starting to take over my garage. I ordered a 12x36 gunsmithing lathe and needed the room. I also had a B52 half stack for my guitar and some stuff that was just taking up too much room..

It's only $59 a month for my space which is like 35 pounds sterling...

Jaden

Sorry for butting in and taking this totally off topic, but gunsmithing lathe? Do you do gunsmithing work?

yes and no...
 

A gunsmithing lathe is just a metal lathe that's certified to be more accurate.

That's not the main reason I bought it. I make custom pool cues. I do prototyping for just about everything that I want to make and I do make some match grade barrels and stuff too.

Jaden

Mine hasn't been too bad so far, for what it's worth. Admittedly, I haven't had it that long though (1.5 years, 16k miles)...

What does the scheduled maintenance for a Cayman look like? Any hugely expensive services like MB and BMW require?

None that are really bad. Here's the schedule for a 987. I also have been doing the more minor stuff myself though, and that helps a lot with the costs (shop labor rates at Porsche dealers are pretty crazy...)