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Dark 03-22-2012 05:35 PM

Next generation Mazda MX-5 due next year
 
Updated with press release

2016 MAZDA MX-5

https://news.mazdausa.com/vehicles-2016-mx-5

https://news.mazdausa.com/image/2016...170_header.jpg

Quote:

It is with great pleasure that we are now ready to introduce the fourth-generation Mazda MX-5, (Japanese name: Mazda Roadster). As a member of the MX-5 development team and a passionate sports car enthusiast, I am deeply grateful to all the people who created, fostered and supported this car over the years. To see that so many people around the world continue to admire the MX-5 even now, 25 years after its launch, makes me happier than I can express. It is thanks to their passion, and the different ways owners and fans enjoy this car, that the MX-5 has matured and evolved over the last quarter century. I also wish to express my gratitude and heartfelt respect to the European carmakers that originally pioneered the fun-to-drive lightweight sports car, to our staff in the U.S. who hatched the MX-5 plan more than 25 years ago, and to the many Mazda employees in Hiroshima and around the world who helped refine it and supported its evolution over the years.


Link: http://www.topspeed.com/cars/mazda/2...-ar101489.html

Sounds very promising.

M-17 03-22-2012 05:42 PM

I think they should just leave the Shinari design out of the Miata and actually bring Shinari out of the freakin bag already and put it to production.

Dark 03-22-2012 05:50 PM

Expanding the lineup might not be a good idea for Mazda. They also have been very successful with Miata for years, but don't see making the car looks better would hurt them.

GenkiElite 03-22-2012 05:54 PM

Hartop turbo Miata? Yes please :)

M-17 03-22-2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark (Post 162992)
Expanding the lineup might not be a good idea for Mazda. They also have been very successful with Miata for years, but don't see making the car looks better would hurt them.

I don't have problem with mazda giving the miata a face lift but I would like them to stop dangling the Shinari concept, I'm not a cat lol.

Dark 03-22-2012 06:05 PM

Cat? :D

http://www.weirdthings.org.uk/wp-con...ll-the-cat.jpg


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Originally Posted by GenkiElite (Post 162998)
Hartop turbo Miata? Yes please :)

Under 1000kg and 150hp is just awesome.

ZetaVI 03-22-2012 06:07 PM

Well that is awesome to hear. Can't wait till they reveal the new Miata.

Snoopyalien24 03-22-2012 07:43 PM

So hardtop, Turbo, ~2,200lbs and 150hp is cool tho 200hp would be nicer for the weight...

zoomzoomers 03-22-2012 07:55 PM

I actually like the looks of this concept.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...azda-miata.jpg

Dark 03-22-2012 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24 (Post 163141)
So hardtop, Turbo, ~2,200lbs and 150hp is cool tho 200hp would be nicer for the weight...

You can easily add power and keep the comfort and practicality at the same level. You can't do that by reducing weight.

tranzformer 03-22-2012 08:58 PM

Says less than $25k and then later on says a little under $30k. Hope Mazda is still aiming for under $25k.

Hardtop, with turbo at ~2100-2200lbs would be nice. :)

Sully 03-22-2012 09:54 PM

Especially at under 25k, goddamn.

Bristecom 03-22-2012 11:59 PM

With the new SkyActive engine, the Miata would finally make decent power and fuel economy. If it comes with a 2 liter engine, it could be real competition for the FRS/BRZ. It would produce more power/weight and have better fuel economy and be a simpler engine (one set of camshafts and injectors) and cost less overall. However, I would still prefer an FRS/BRZ for the practicality of fold down rear seats and the smoother/lower boxer engine. The Miatas feel almost too small for me anyway. I still love the last generation though (pre 2006).

quik1987 03-23-2012 12:09 AM

http://photos.autoexpress.co.uk/imag...o_473035_7.jpg
If they shrunk this, made it a coupe, and stuck a rotary engine in it, it would be a pretty badass rx-7.

There was talks about merging the RX-7 and the MX-5 a while ago.

Guff 03-23-2012 12:11 AM

I like this!

tranzformer 03-23-2012 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quik1987 (Post 163374)
There was talks about merging the RX-7 and the MX-5 a while ago.

Was that about using the same chassis? I thought I heard that as well. Won't it be the RX-9 and not the RX-7?

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cro...pe_1024x0w.jpg

bestwheelbase 03-23-2012 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark (Post 162976)

Now we're talking!

Bristecom 03-23-2012 12:26 AM

Having a Miata with the SkyActive piston engine and an RX-9 with a new direct injected rotary engine (in development) would be a strong offering from Mazda. The BRZ/FRS gives me hope that we will see a new era of sports cars offered from Japan like in the 90's.

tranzformer 03-23-2012 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristecom (Post 163395)
Having a Miata with the SkyActive piston engine and an RX-9 with a new direct injected rotary engine (in development) would be a strong offering from Mazda. The BRZ/FRS gives me hope that we will see a new era of sports cars offered from Japan like in the 90's.

Speaking of which, any news on that new rotary. Last I heard they were thinking of using lasers on it instead of spark plugs.

Bristecom 03-23-2012 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 163397)
Speaking of which, any news on that new rotary. Last I heard they were thinking of using lasers on it instead of spark plugs.

Not that I know of. I think they've put it aside for the moment. But I'm sure we'll see one in the next few years.

I really liked the Furai concept even though it was a race car. It would be pretty sweet if they had similar styling for the RX-9.

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/fi...Furai_9049.jpg

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/fi...Furai_9003.jpg

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/fi...Furai_8833.jpg

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/fi...Furai_8594.jpg

quik1987 03-23-2012 12:59 AM

http://www.caradvice.com.au/149215/m...8-could-merge/

OrbitalEllipses 03-23-2012 01:11 AM

The MX5 back in the neighborhood of 2200lbs doesn't need 200hp. That would be...a little stupid. Certainly fun though. I'm just saying it wouldn't need 200hp to compete. Americans have problems with tiny engines; though perhaps a tiny turbo engine would alleviate that concern. First lets see how the 500 Abarth does with that formula.

old greg 03-23-2012 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 163397)
Speaking of which, any news on that new rotary. Last I heard they were thinking of using lasers on it instead of spark plugs.

There was an update about a month ago.

serialk11r 03-23-2012 03:12 AM

That's cool, I hope they figure it out.
I haven't thought about this carefully, but there seems to be a fairly low compression ratio limit to the Wankel design isn't there?

tranzformer 03-23-2012 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old greg (Post 163465)
There was an update about a month ago.


Thanks for the link.

Rampage 03-23-2012 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristecom (Post 163395)
Having a Miata with the SkyActive piston engine and an RX-9 with a new direct injected rotary engine (in development) would be a strong offering from Mazda. The BRZ/FRS gives me hope that we will see a new era of sports cars offered from Japan like in the 90's.

Just remember is the "golden years of the 90s Japanese sports cars" the cars got so expensive that only a very few could afford them new. MR2s around 30K, Supra 36K, RX7 32K, Twin turbo Nissan 300ZX 35K. It wasn't until the late 90s and early 2000s that tuners could get the cars used and the scene really exploded.

Bristecom 03-23-2012 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rampage (Post 163633)
Just remember is the "golden years of the 90s Japanese sports cars" the cars got so expensive that only a very few could afford them new. MR2s around 30K, Supra 36K, RX7 32K, Twin turbo Nissan 300ZX 35K. It wasn't until the late 90s and early 2000s that tuners could get the cars used and the scene really exploded.

Well yeah but then again those cars probably should have cost that much considering the technology they had. My Eclipse was only $26k when new with AWD, LSD, turbo, and every luxury you could think of at the time (I bought it used). But that's a good point about the used market exploding. We were left with some pretty nice used options afterwards but now they are getting too old. So this time around I would like to see more simple, low cost options such as:

Scion FR-S (4 seat coupe FR NA 4U-GSE 4 cyl. engine) - $25000
Scion MR-S (2 seat conv. MR NA 2ZR-FAE 4 cyl. engine) - $24000
Mazda MX-5 (2 seat conv. FR NA SkyActive-G 4 cyl. engine) - $24000
Mazda RX-9 (4 seat coupe FR NA SkyActive-Rotary engine) - $26000

Dimman 03-23-2012 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old greg (Post 163465)
There was an update about a month ago.

With their apex sealing issues at low rpm, why don't they just gas-port them like drag racing guys do to keep pressure on piston cylinder rings?

tranzformer 03-23-2012 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristecom (Post 164332)
Well yeah but then again those cars probably should have cost that much considering the technology they had. My Eclipse was only $26k when new with AWD, LSD, turbo, and every luxury you could think of at the time (I bought it used). But that's a good point about the used market exploding. We were left with some pretty nice used options afterwards but now they are getting too old. So this time around I would like to see more simple, low cost options such as:

Scion FR-S (4 seat coupe FR NA 4U-GSE 4 cyl. engine) - $25000
Scion MR-S (2 seat conv. MR NA 2ZR-FAE 4 cyl. engine) - $24000
Mazda MX-5 (2 seat conv. FR NA SkyActive-G 4 cyl. engine) - $24000
Mazda RX-9 (4 seat coupe FR NA SkyActive-Rotary engine) - $26000


Wouldn't Toyota/Scion charge more for the convertible "MR-S." You know the "convertible tax." Not trying to flame, but convertibles tend to be more expensive for a similarly equipped model, right?

Bristecom 03-23-2012 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 164349)
Wouldn't Toyota/Scion charge more for the convertible "MR-S." You know the "convertible tax." Not trying to flame, but convertibles tend to be more expensive for a similarly equipped model, right?

Yeah, maybe. I was just going off of the price of the old MRS which was only 23k. And since it's just an inline 4 with a transaxle like a front engine, and smaller with only 2 seats, I figured it could probably be made cheaper. But it's the same engine as in the new Lotus Elise so it could be made like an Elise but cost half the price. It would be a potent little car!

serialk11r 03-23-2012 10:10 PM

Inflation is a bitch, I can't see a lower than FRS price...

Bristecom 03-23-2012 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by serialk11r (Post 164363)
Inflation is a bitch, I can't see a lower than FRS price...

OK, make it $25k then. :P They were just general estimates of how much they could cost.

NastyNate 03-23-2012 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 163434)
The MX5 back in the neighborhood of 2200lbs doesn't need 200hp. That would be...a little stupid. Certainly fun though. I'm just saying it wouldn't need 200hp to compete. Americans have problems with tiny engines; though perhaps a tiny turbo engine would alleviate that concern. First lets see how the 500 Abarth does with that formula.

I've got an '05 MazdaSpeed Miata. With the things done I'm about 220ish and 2400 since ading a roll bar and my fat self. It's a total blast while surprising a lot of mustang/camaros. Now I just need ecu, new turbo, wheels/tires, lower gearing and it's done. Full boost hits and I spin 1st through 3rd!

Bristecom 03-23-2012 10:24 PM

BTW, this is what happens when the normal Toyota designers are asked to make a "fun" car: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jlpvina...n/photostream/

MiguelAE86 03-23-2012 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristecom (Post 164376)
BTW, this is what happens when the normal Toyota designers are asked to make a "fun" car: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jlpvina...n/photostream/

Oh god...

http://www.xdtalk.com/gallery/data/6.../eyebleach.jpg

Matador 03-25-2012 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristecom (Post 163414)
I really liked the Furai concept even though it was a race car. It would be pretty sweet if they had similar styling for the RX-9.

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/fi...Furai_9049.jpg

This really deserved to be the RX-9. Styling wise, the RX deserves nothing less.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristecom (Post 164332)
So this time around I would like to see more simple, low cost options such as:

Scion FR-S (4 seat coupe FR NA 4U-GSE 4 cyl. engine) - $25000
Scion MR-S (2 seat conv. MR NA 2ZR-FAE 4 cyl. engine) - $24000
Mazda MX-5 (2 seat conv. FR NA SkyActive-G 4 cyl. engine) - $24000
Mazda RX-9 (4 seat coupe FR NA SkyActive-Rotary engine) - $26000

Not going to see an MR-2 and FR-s at the same price point. Certainly not under the same brand. I think next time around the MR will depart from the 3rd gen the way the 2nd departed from the first. Bigger, more refined, heavier (unfortunately) Probably will be V6 and hybrid ;)

http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg...concept-ii.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristecom (Post 164376)
BTW, this is what happens when the normal Toyota designers are asked to make a "fun" car: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jlpvina...n/photostream/

That is....... futuristic, not fun.

I think this is more their idea of something "fun and affordable"

http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/word...03-640x426.jpg

quik1987 08-28-2012 06:23 PM

2015 Mazda MX-5 to be highly customizable - report
 
According to a recent report, the next-generation Mazda MX-5 will offer a number of personalization options.
MINI and Fiat have been pioneers in this area, but Mazda is a newcomer to the vehicle customization. However, Akira Tamatani told What Car? Mazda is considering more options "to help [build] a customer's relationship with the car." Besides offering more variety, the options will likely pad the automaker's bottom line.
As we have previously reported, the 2014 / 2015 MX-5 is expected to weigh 100 kg (220 lbs) less than the current model and feature a turbocharged 1.3-liter four-cylinder engine with approximately 200 hp (149 kW / 203 PS). Little else is known about the model, but it will be built in Hiroshima, Japan and there will be an Alfa Romeo variant.

serialk11r 08-28-2012 08:18 PM

lol where did they get the 200hp 1.3L turbo from? It's not that special in terms of specific power but I don't believe it.

Rampage 08-28-2012 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by serialk11r (Post 408466)
lol where did they get the 200hp 1.3L turbo from? It's not that special in terms of specific power but I don't believe it.


Agreed. I read fairly recently that they were having trouble getting adequate horsepower out of the small turbocharged engine and would not be using the 1.3. I guess at this point it is all speculation. We will just have to wait and see what Mazda comes up with.

serialk11r 08-28-2012 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rampage (Post 408570)
Agreed. I read fairly recently that they were having trouble getting adequate horsepower out of the small turbocharged engine and would not be using the 1.3. I guess at this point it is all speculation. We will just have to wait and see what Mazda comes up with.

Not only that, 200hp is a fuckton of power for a car like this. They could get away with much much less, and not to mention it would be an insurance liability.


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