Manuel vs automatic transmission?
 

Which one is better for a sports car?
What if one has to deal with traffic everyday?

Oh boy here we go

Coke or Pepsi?

Manual

Auto

Sports car = Manual

MiniVan = Automatic

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I'd say Manuel.....although Basil crack me up too!

If you're in traffic every day and driving a daily driver, get a Toyota Camry hybrid and get an automatic.

If you're wanting a sports car, and not in traffic every day and want to use it as a daily driver, get a manual.

Manual transmission will teach you more about your car than you ever imagined and give you more control over it. It will also make you a much better driver overall. The fun factor is MUCH higher with a manual.

Automatic's have less power (proven in plenty of dynos due to the lower gear ratios) than the manuals. That right there is a huge turn off to go automatic imo.

Paddle shifters are retarded, another reason to go manual.

This has been argued to death. High end/exotic "automatics" are going the way of the video game, where you get instant rev-matched shifts and programmable behavior. This is a real benefit because it really can allow you to be faster/smoother, because you can eliminate some of the cumbersome human element, removing one hand, moving both legs, etc. So in the way of automotive advancement, yes the high end "automatics" are better.

On the other hand, a good ol' stick shift is still the king of pure driving enjoyment. It may not be the most efficient, or the most comfortable, but the labor of rowing each gear and having a precise, direct connection to the vehicle's behavior is what allows you to have a closer connection to the machine. This is what pure enthusiasts enjoy the most whether the car is fast or slow- is how much feedback do you feel, how precise is the machine, and how much fun is it to actually drive and explore its limits.

The 86 on the other hand, has a well tuned slushbox. It's a traditional automatic, so it's far from a "high end" box, but it does it's job well enough to be fun. The ratios it's stuck with can't exploit the engine's rev range quite as well as it needs, which is why the manual is a bit faster, but it's the best option if you want a fun car to drive that's easy in traffic.

Ahh, so higher ratio equals more power, no wonder fudging gear ratio on the dyno gives more power!! :bonk:

I've had my Auto BRZ for about a 1.5 years now, in the beginning I enjoyed it and whatnot...However, right now I can honestly say that I am bored of the those silly paddle shifters and not having a clutch.

I'm in NYC traffic quite often and have been in a manual and of course automatic and it isn't that big of a deal. It is sitting in traffic that is bad, some extra foot work doesn't add much to how shitty it is. Don't let that thought be the deciding factor..please.

The auto is very lovely for driving with the gf, holding hands, etc. Means that she, friends, and family who don't know stick can drive it as well. Saved me once as a buddy drove me back when I was a little drunk.

Mileage...depends on how you drive, I got about the same MPG as my friend with a manual BRZ.

Auto is a little more practical, but as others have said...so is a damn camry. Get the manual

Well put.

Both make the same power... just at a different time.

And I'm not even going to comment on the personal opinions expressed.

In the end, you drive what YOU want to. Not what someone else on this forums wants you to. Make your decision after driving both.

I had an Auto. Switched to a Manual. I also drive 130 miles a day, through LA, so I experience quite a bit of traffic.

The Auto was fun for a bit, but I found myself getting bored on my highway drives, and doing AutoX was not the same. I drove a manual afterwards (my first time actually driving a manual car, only previous experience is with motorcycles) and I fell in love. You feel more connected to the car, as others have said, and unless you swap out the clutch and flywheel, this thing is not bad at all driving in traffic. Plus, if you are looking to mod your car, you have many more options with a manual than an auto.

Just a few reasons I switched over. They are both fun, though. Either way you'll enjoy it.

Such as? Everything that can be done to a manual, can also be done to an auto. With the exception of a "quick shifter".

cuz autos don't need 'em since they already shift quick. :)

It's a short list, and a little deceiving to say it as such a matter of fact, but the manual does have more options. Some turbo kits (and possibly other engine/exhaust related mods) have had issues and delays with the auto compatibility. I'm not sure if it's purely physical fitment, or if it's ECU/tuning related. Chassis and other stuff is identical, you're correct there.

Only thing I've heard of was nameless op/fp combo. And they released one for autos. Haven't heard anything about FI kits not fitting. Granted the tune should be different to utilize the lower rpms the autos use that the manual does not.(750-1500). But, as I said. To each his own and at the end of the day, drive what YOU want to drive.

Both transmissions are very good. The manual has an excellent feel than can be further improved at the cost of a little NVH if you want the "engagement" The auto is very sharp for a "slushbox" and shifts quite fast. Sport mode sharpens things up a bit more and hold rpm higher. Test drive both, buy what you like the most, and ignore the armchair racers.

There is a reason why Lamborghini, Ferrari, and countless other performance automakers do not make manual cars anymore.

Autotransmissions shift faster than people. Enough said.

Get a manual if you care about people talking shit. If you're looking for the fastest lap times on a track, go auto.

But it's always good to know how to drive stick because it is much more fun. But which is better?
Fun or Performance?
Traffic or highways?
Track or drift?

I had a manual FR-S and have driven manuals for 15 years. When it came time to lemon out the old one, I test drove the auto for S's and G's and was blown away by how it performed. I have never driven an auto like this before and I love it. I drive with the paddles so I still have full control, but the benefit is flawless shifts every time with perfectly rev matched downshifts without ever having to fight the crappy synchros of the manual. It's great around town and in the twisties.

Keep in mind that before testing out the auto I was of the opinion that autos are for wuss's that can't drive and that this car should have only come in a manual. I will admit that my old opinion was incorrect...this auto box is a dream to drive.

Torque converter auto != semi-automatic transmission != dual clutch transmission.

And I dunno, for pure track times, a straight cut sequential dog box would probably fare pretty well against semi-autos

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Man, sick and tired of these MT or AT threads. Do people not know how to type in the search in regards to previous threads................

From ALL the threads about manual and AUTO here are the ONLY FACTS you need:
1 - Auto version of this car has less WHP than the MANUAL, that's been dyno proven (search it)
2 - There is no better of the two.... You drive what you feel is right for you.
3 - YOU drive what you want to drive, who cares what the next person thinks is better. (redundant kind of to the 2nd point)

Anyway, pick what you want to drive. Plenty of threads to look through for opinions.

The auto *can* be fast. And who is "Manuel"? :P

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Come back when you know what you're talking about. Why don't you go do some basic research before throwing misleading info around.

Those triple digit dollar cars use double clutch transmissions. You can't shift nearly as fast as the tech that comes with those cars. Good luck finding that on a sub $30K car. Manual is king for performance at realistic price ranges, with the exception of the VW GTI's.

Back when I purchased mine at the beginning of the year, there were maybe 3 or 4 FI kits for the Auto. There was also only a handful of front pipes you could get for the autos as well. I'm sure this has gotten better, this is just the last time I've researched the autos. You'll also have less tuning options.

Again, this is all just from the last time I had my auto and was looking for parts for it.

not to threadjack, but what are the differences between the frs and brz?

Daily driving? Racing? Getting groceries?

And which is the best exhaust?

So what I'm getting, is you honestly don't know because you haven't looked in a year. And throwing broad statements out to look down on autos.

Tuning platforms are all the same. Actual options within the tune (flat foot shift etc) cannot be added to an auto...because it automatically does it from the factory. Once again, I stand behind my fact that anything that can be done to a manual, can be done to an auto.

I have yet to see an exhaust that says only for manuals, without having a second option for autos. I have yet to see anyone say an FI kit won't fit an auto. And no one has said anything about not being able to tune an auto with ecutek, oft, or brzedit.

I'm not really sure what you said, but i think i now agree :bow:

Exterior
- headlights, front bumpers
Performance
- BRZ-stiffer front springs
- FR-S-stiffer rear springs
- they are the same friggin car
Can't even really compare the interior anymore since you can get an FR-S at the same spec now.

They say the AT is the same one as in the Lexus IS-F minus 2 gears. It can't be that bad. I bought the AT 2 years ago and I still like it.

Sports mode feels quite nice on the AT. Plus, if you want to control the downshifting to tear into a corner, a couple clicks of the paddle and you've got the extra high rpm power right when you want it.

If you take over shifting during auto-D, you get a temporary manual mode that will resume to full-auto after a bit.

Plus as a programmer, fits my style more to have the shifting algorithm do the work for me until I want to take over. Best of both worlds imo (ignoring the visceral feeling of using the clutch pedal).

LOL he answered

The lancer ralliart as a dual clutch for under 30k. But everything else that you said I agree with.

I wonder though, which one is more durable behind a modified high hp motor? Certainly, the manual must be cheaper to maintain.

Not trying to down on an auto, as I've stated multiple times before, I had one before. I was simply stating that because of the path I was going down, it didn't suit what I wanted, and those were the reasons for me switching. I wanted a manual due to the extra power without having to buy a new final drive kit, tuning options like launch control, and at the time, the front pipe I had wanted to purchase was only available in a manual. The exhaust is no longer the case.

I never said you couldn't tune an auto, but you can't have a true launch control on an auto either with a tune. And after doing a quick search, I've found that it doesn't look like JDL, PTuning, or RevWorks offer FI for automatics. It's also nice having the option to swap out the clutch and flywheel to have the car rev faster. Just a few things off the top of my head that are options available to a manual.

As I said in my first post, they are both fun to drive, and I don't think you can really go wrong with either one. After experiencing both sides in the same car, I've personally enjoyed my car much more as a manual than an auto. All I was trying to say. But thanks for commenting on my personal opinion, I appreciate the entertainment for the day :thumbsup:

Cheaper to rebuild. Maintaining either Trans is basically just keeping good fluid in it. The auto does have the "extra" cost of a filter. As far as which one is stronger, much to early to tell. Even more so considering the problems one of the transmissions has suffered from the factory.

I personally own an auto, and drive a manual every couple of weekends. (Good friend owns a manual). Both are truly fantastic transmissions. The manual is "more fun" if you enjoy burnouts and probably would have bought one if I was wanting to drift with it. The auto will do both, but it takes more since you can't just dump the clutch at a high rpm and instantly break the tires. For my personal type of driving, dd and mountain runs, the auto is everything I needed. When dd'ing, I can leave it in auto. When on the mountains, I can use the paddles and shifter.

When I had a 2 hour commute each way, I traded in my MT Supra for a AT Solara.
My knee couldnt take it anymore.

Now that I moved & I have a 20 minute commute each way, I gave the Solara to the teenager & bought the MT BRZ.

Nuff said.

Who's Manuel? A friend of yours?