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Deathalo 08-11-2014 10:56 PM

Passenger seat sliding back
 
Hey, I tried searching for a solution to this but came up with nothing. Is there a way to stop the passenger seat from sliding back when pushing it forward to get into the back? Whenever I have someone getting into the back (especially parked on an incline ever so slight) the seat keeps hitting them if I'm not holding it and makes it extremely difficult, annoying, and embarrassing to get into the car. Also a pain when trying to put something that requires 2 hands to hold in the back, cause then I have no hands to hold the seat up with and the seat just comes back and smacks whatever is in my hands. Why wouldn't they just design it to hold up at the front of the track when the seat is pulled forward like that, then release when you push the seatback back, like every other coupe? Has anyone figured out a way to achieve this? Is there some sort of trick to it I have yet to figure out?

humfrz 08-12-2014 12:34 AM

hmmmm.......on my 2013 FR-S, when I slide the passenger seat up, it will latch and hold at several different locations ..... til I pull the bar up and then it will slide back.

Maybe you shoulda outta got an FR-S .....:D

Seriously, maybe yours needs a bit of lubricant on the latching mechanism .. or the spring is broken or come off ...... ??


humfrz

Havsie 08-12-2014 12:48 AM

People can actually fit in the back seats? I never knew that.

Kotu100 08-12-2014 12:50 AM

Woah Woah Woah

Let me get this straight, you actually put people back there?


*havsie beat me to it*

humfrz 08-12-2014 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Havsie (Post 1894744)
People can actually fit in the back seats? I never knew that.

Oh, heck yes ..... granddaughters love riding in Pa-Pa's ..... "cool car" ..... :D


humfrz

Deathalo 08-12-2014 09:41 AM

Knew there would be some smart ass "people can fit in the back seat" comments. Yes I get it, it's small, we all know that now, I do have skinny friends who are able to sit back there if the passenger leaves a bit of foot room.

Does anyone else's latch at different locations like what humfrz was talking about? I'll have to play around, if it really is a broken spring or something I better bring it in.

extrashaky 08-12-2014 09:48 AM

My BRZ does not latch. It slides as you described.

Tcoat 08-12-2014 09:50 AM

I have the grandsons (7 & 11) back there frequently. They flat out refuse to ride in grandma's suv anymore. My seat also catches when pulled forward and has to be released to slide it back. Check the manual it should say if yours should as well (I would presume it should)

Foobar 08-12-2014 10:30 AM

9 year old daughter sits behind passenger seat in the back and it always slides back, its almost like it's on a spring.

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Tcoat 08-12-2014 10:40 AM

Posts had me second guessing myself so went out and checked (everybody at work now thinks I have lost my mind out playing with my passenger seat). My 14 FRS locks completely forward and at every inch or so back for a total of 6 latch points. Have to lift the bar for each point or hold it up all the way back. So ... the free sliding must be just a BRZ thing. Odd that would be different.

Smoke Destructer 08-12-2014 10:44 AM

I have an FRS and my seats don't latch that way...

ShibaYuki 08-12-2014 10:46 AM

My '13 BRZ is the same. Passenger seat does not hold. I actually found out the first day I got it. Went to the dealer and said why it does this. And dealer said all the BRZ does this. I even checked all the BRZs they have on the lot, and what he said is true. The BRZ passenger seat does not latch onto anything it just slides in and out.

avp1 08-12-2014 10:49 AM

I think he meant that when he pulls handle to move back of the front seat forward to allow easy access to the back, the whole front seat unlocks and slides freely back and forse. And yes, I have the same issue in 2013 BRZ. I think this is by design.

Tcoat 08-12-2014 10:50 AM

But Humfrz's 13 FRS and my 14 FRS do. Maybe ours are broken and everybody else's work right! Not a big deal but strange there is variation.

Foobar 08-12-2014 10:56 AM

Yeah we're specifically talking about pulling the side lever or the rear strap to allow a passenger access to the back seat.

The front bar pulled up does allow you to latch in several places, but that's a different bar.

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shiumai 08-12-2014 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 1895149)
Have to lift the bar for each point or hold it up all the way back. So ... the free sliding must be just a BRZ thing. Odd that would be different.

don't touch the bar in front of the seat; only the side lever to tilt the seat back to pivot forward and slide forward to allow passengers to get into the back.

Tcoat 08-12-2014 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shiumai (Post 1895211)
don't touch the bar in front of the seat; only the side lever to tilt the seat back to pivot forward and slide forward to allow passengers to get into the back.

It is the side lever I am talking about. I pull it up, the seat back leans forward and the whole thing slides forward and locks at the end of the track. Have to release the front bar to make it go back again (the side lever will not release it when locked forward) Wasn't joking when I said maybe mine was broke. Has been that way since day one so always though that was how it was supposed to work. If it is broke I am going to leave it that way as it sounds like a pain if it slides back on it's own. Will compare against another at the dealer and see if I can figure out what is different with mine. May have just discovered a new DIY mod!

Deathalo 08-12-2014 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 1895226)
It is the side lever I am talking about. I pull it up, the seat back leans forward and the whole thing slides forward and locks at the end of the track. Have to release the front bar to make it go back again (the side lever will not release it when locked forward) Wasn't joking when I said maybe mine was broke. Has been that way since day one so always though that was how it was supposed to work. If it is broke I am going to leave it that way as it sounds like a pain if it slides back on it's own. Will compare against another at the dealer and see if I can figure out what is different with mine. May have just discovered a new DIY mod!

If yours does work as you say, I wonder if there's a way to switch modes, I can't imagine they used 2 different seat mechanisms, these cars were built with the same parts in the same factories.

carbonBLUE 08-12-2014 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Deathalo (Post 1894571)
Hey, I tried searching for a solution to this but came up with nothing. Is there a way to stop the passenger seat from sliding back when pushing it forward to get into the back? Whenever I have someone getting into the back (especially parked on an incline ever so slight) the seat keeps hitting them if I'm not holding it and makes it extremely difficult, annoying, and embarrassing to get into the car. Also a pain when trying to put something that requires 2 hands to hold in the back, cause then I have no hands to hold the seat up with and the seat just comes back and smacks whatever is in my hands. Why wouldn't they just design it to hold up at the front of the track when the seat is pulled forward like that, then release when you push the seatback back, like every other coupe? Has anyone figured out a way to achieve this? Is there some sort of trick to it I have yet to figure out?

park facing downhill, problem solved, thread should now be closed...

Foobar 08-12-2014 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 1895226)
It is the side lever I am talking about. I pull it up, the seat back leans forward and the whole thing slides forward and locks at the end of the track. Have to release the front bar to make it go back again (the side lever will not release it when locked forward) Wasn't joking when I said maybe mine was broke. Has been that way since day one so always though that was how it was supposed to work. If it is broke I am going to leave it that way as it sounds like a pain if it slides back on it's own. Will compare against another at the dealer and see if I can figure out what is different with mine. May have just discovered a new DIY mod!

Hmm I'm gonna see if I can break mine tonight. LOL

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Harvey 08-12-2014 12:18 PM

Have the same behavior... the passenger seat tends to slide back into my doughters face when she tries to get in or out.... and yes, you can get people behind (see the thumbnail bottom left, ready to go to the field with heli and familly aboard):


http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/18/86/19/63/to_the10.jpg

humfrz 08-12-2014 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 1895171)
Yeah we're specifically talking about pulling the side lever or the rear strap to allow a passenger access to the back seat.

The front bar pulled up does allow you to latch in several places, but that's a different bar.

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This just may be the differences we are seeing.

On my FR-S, if I pull the front bar to move the seat up, it will latch in a forward position.

If I use the side lever (which tilts the back) to move the seat up, it will NOT latch in a forward position.

I reckon they designed it this way so a back seat passenger can get into the back seat, "pull the tab" and pull the seat back into a rearward position.


humfrz

Tcoat 08-12-2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Deathalo (Post 1895253)
If yours does work as you say, I wonder if there's a way to switch modes, I can't imagine they used 2 different seat mechanisms, these cars were built with the same parts in the same factories.

I doubt there is a way to switch modes or the manual should say so. Probably something just bent or out of place on mine. It was the dealer showroom car and had god only knows how many people climbing through it for a few months. I watched 6 people climb in and out (not all at once of course) in the 1/2 hour it took to sign the papers alone. So not inconceivable that somebody got overly rough with the mech and broke or twisted something.
As I said before I will see if I can figure out what is different. Hopefully I don't accidently "fix" it while doing that though.

CAMBAM_6 08-12-2014 02:52 PM

I drive a 13' FRS and my passenger seat just slides back I have to hold it while i buckle my daughter in..kind of annoying. Also my Doors do the same they rarely stay in place and usually swing back in hit me if I don't actually hold the door open when I get out especially inclined (or is it declined) you know what i mean lol :mad0260:

I've kind of gotten used to it athough it is very frustrating lol

00NissanNinja 08-12-2014 02:56 PM

With mine it slides freely if I either pull the tab or if the seat reclines all the way to its forward most position by pulling the side lever(lever to recline the seat) . I wish it worked more like the way vw does with the 2 door golfs but oh well. Basically seems that the free movement mode is linked directly to having the seat reclined forward as far as it can be.

tennisfreak 08-12-2014 03:01 PM

Mine slides freely

BUT

when I slide the seat forward if I reach under and push down on the bar underneath the front of the seat then I can get it to stay in place.

wheelhaus 08-12-2014 03:23 PM

This is interesting, my daughter is now riding in a forward facing seat, and getting her in/out is fristrating when the car is constantly trying to hug me.

My BRZ seat release doesn't lock forward. I was considering adding a tension spring somewhere under the seat to help pull it forward.

BTW @Harvey that's a nice lookin' TRex700. How long have you been flying?

continuecrushing 08-12-2014 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 1895500)
On my FR-S, if I pull the front bar to move the seat up, it will latch in a forward position.

If I use the side lever (which tilts the back) to move the seat up, it will NOT latch in a forward position.

I reckon they designed it this way so a back seat passenger can get into the back seat, "pull the tab" and pull the seat back into a rearward position.

humfrz

This is how mine is. HIGHLY annoying when a passenger pulls the strap, the seat back folds forward and they push the seat forward(so they can get out). Then, when they least expect it, the whole thing slides back...I dont understand why it doesnt "lock" in place. The only time it locks in place is when you use the bar on the front. But what the hell is purpose of that, when they cant reach it.

Scion/Toyota/Subaru screwed up on this one. Huge, no. But definitely annoying.

Tcoat 08-12-2014 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tennisfreak (Post 1895646)
Mine slides freely

BUT

when I slide the seat forward if I reach under and push down on the bar underneath the front of the seat then I can get it to stay in place.

That may be the clue as to what is "broke" on mine and why it stays forward! When I use the side lever to move my seat forward my front bar is much higher on the inside (right hand looking at seat from front) then on the outside. After I use the front bar to adjust the seat back on the slides the bar is perfectly level. It is possible that the out side latch is catching when slid forward and even though both sides are not fully locked it is enough to hold it. The seat works perfectly smooth and there are no resistance points other then it staying forward when accessing the back seat. I read somewhere on here that somebody had an issue moving the seat at all after the bar was stepped on and bent and maybe mine is just bent enough to be handy. NOT suggesting everybody run out and step on their seat adjustment bars!!!!!! I will take a closer look and see what I can come up with.

As far as the doors closing I just figure my car likes me so much it enjoys slapping me in the butt every time I put something in the back seat.

humfrz 08-12-2014 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMBAM_6 (Post 1895619)
I drive a 13' FRS and my passenger seat just slides back I have to hold it while i buckle my daughter in..kind of annoying. Also my Doors do the same they rarely stay in place and usually swing back in hit me if I don't actually hold the door open when I get out especially inclined (or is it declined) you know what i mean lol :mad0260:

I've kind of gotten used to it athough it is very frustrating lol

I reckon the doors are designed that way, so as our SOs don't leave the door open and tear it off while backing out of the garage ...... :D


humfrz

Foobar 08-12-2014 04:31 PM

I was cleaning my dash this weekend and had my legs dangling out the door while I was sitting sideways. I thought the door was staying open in place and next thing I know, the car gave me a big old "hug" and bruised the hell out of my shin. I think I scared my neighbor with my outburst of profanities.

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Tcoat 08-12-2014 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 1895857)
I was cleaning my dash this weekend and had my legs dangling out the door while I was sitting sideways. I thought the door was staying open in place and next thing I know, the car gave me a big old "hug" and bruised the hell out of my shin. I think I scared my neighbor with my outburst of profanities.

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Oh that was YOU I heard!!!!! Exact same scenario with me this weekend. Just a little gust of wind and WHAM!

Delfin 01-29-2019 06:07 PM

Passenger seat sliding back
 
I never had this problem until today. Sorry for reviving this 4 year old thread but. Has anyone found a solution to this?

I put my 5 y/o son in the back seat

It’s a pain to have the seat sliding back on me.

Dake 01-29-2019 06:38 PM

I assumed the sliding back function when using the side lever is a common thing in 2 door Toyotas. My Gen 4 Celica does it too.

The reasoning is, the seat will return to wherever it was originally set, so you're not then needing to use the under-seat bar to reset its forward position. It's a bit of a joke in the Toyobaru, but the Celica actually has somewhat useable back seats. If you regularly have someone back there (thereby requiring the front seat to stay a little forward on the track for rear-seat comfort), once you set it up, it will always go back to where you set it vs sliding all the way to the rear than requiring the front seat passenger to slide it forward again.

It's essentially a mechanical "memory" function for the seat. And yeah Tcoat - sounds like yours isn't working right.

Edit: Ok so here's the funny thing: I'm wrong about the twins anyway. On the Celica it did mechanically remember it's position. On my FR-S, if you have the seat set say halfway forward on its track and then pull the side lever, it will immediately slide to all the way back.

So uh... nevermind. :D

edit edit: didn't realize this was a necropost!

Short answer? It's a "feature"!

Tcoat 01-29-2019 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dake (Post 3179427)
I assumed the sliding back function when using the side lever is a common thing in 2 door Toyotas. My Gen 4 Celica does it too.

The reasoning is, the seat will return to wherever it was originally set, so you're not then needing to use the under-seat bar to reset its forward position. It's a bit of a joke in the Toyobaru, but the Celica actually has somewhat useable back seats. If you regularly have someone back there (thereby requiring the front seat to stay a little forward on the track for rear-seat comfort), once you set it up, it will always go back to where you set it vs sliding all the way to the rear than requiring the front seat passenger to slide it forward again.

It's essentially a mechanical "memory" function for the seat. And yeah Tcoat - sounds like yours isn't working right.

Edit: Ok so here's the funny thing: I'm wrong about the twins anyway. On the Celica it did mechanically remember it's position. On my FR-S, if you have the seat set say halfway forward on its track and then pull the side lever, it will immediately slide to all the way back.

So uh... nevermind. :D

edit edit: didn't realize this was a necropost!

Short answer? It's a "feature"!

Ya my broke one eventfully fixed itself and now acts like all the rest. I would have preferred it stayed broke.

Delfin 01-29-2019 07:55 PM

But it was working perfectly before until today.

Ultramaroon 01-29-2019 08:04 PM

There might even be eyes for where the spring that was intentionally omitted to cut costs was meant to go.

Subsonic 01-30-2019 12:12 AM

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Like many others I sometimes park on an uphill gradient and it always seems like a lottery if I can get the seat to stay forward while folding the seat to allow passengers in, or even if just retrieving something from the back seat. I also fit a fire extinguisher for tarmac rallies which limits forward movement of the passenger seat, and whenever we are loading stuff in the back seat, the seat often is free to impact the fire extinguisher and damage the bracket.

This is the only feature that really bugs me on my car so I decided to investigate to see if I could do something about it. I took a couple of pics of what I found, hopefully it helps someone. Referring to the pics, remember my car is right hand drive, so I needed to modify the left seat. Yours may be a bit different if you drive on the other side.

With the seat out of the car (4 bolts and some connectors), I removed the seat recline handle assembly by just pulling it forwards. I then had access to the screws that secure the left side plastic shrouds. With these off, you can see the mechanism quite clearly as in the first pic. The recline / slide interlock works by a cable that pulls up on the slide lock once the backrest reaches a certain forwards angle. Once the backrest is reclined back past that point, the cable tension is released and the slide lock is able to re-engage in the sliders.

I found it was easy to remove this interlock by releasing the rear end of the cable outer from its clip. I disconnected the cable outer only, but theoretically you could take the inner off too, or take the whole cable out for that matter. I just used a zip tie to prevent the now loose end of the cable from rattling around. With the rear end disconnected and secure, the cable could occasionally (depending on seat position) lose tension and the front end could still rattle, so I disconnected the front cable outer as well and secured it with another tie. Then I put the covers back on and threw the seat back in the car.

The modified system works as you would expect. To let passengers in the rear seat, you can (optionally) slide the seat all the way forward first, then lift the recline lever to recline the seat all the way forward. Since the interlock is disconnected there is no way the seat will slide backwards, even if parked on a steep incline. Also, once the passenger is in, the seat will be in the slider position you last left it.

Thoroughly recommend this little “mod”. It took about an hour of my time including head scratching, and about 10c worth of zip ties. I can easily reverse it if I want, but I doubt I ever will.

8RZ 01-30-2019 09:03 AM

Mine does this.

https://youtu.be/n5Ngnf_kM9E

Dake 01-30-2019 05:58 PM

But if you don't lock the seat back upright, it will slide all the way back again right?


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