Test drove and is Scion serious
 

First- test drove 2015 FRS at Scion. Steering even better than new Cayman - about as good as old Cayman. Suspension - excellent. Ergonomics- great. Engine- like my old RX-8 - more would be better.

So anyway- would not mind owning (decision really is do I want a sports car or not).

Price- Scion said what is on the sticker with no haggling. I am under the impression that these great cars are not selling as well as thought and that the wholesale market is off.

My offer (i have not negotiated yet) would be (for AT base ) about $23.5-24k range ( i'm talkin 2015).

Any hope? Thx.

Lol Automatic.

If you can drive stick get the stick

If you want to negotiate, get a BRZ

Scion calls it a benefit. They offer you MSRP, if you don't like it, don't buy it. No haggling, no uncomfortableness, etc... You can absolutely haggle on the various warranty coverages though.

Get a Subaru, they'll bargain with you. And get a limited. And a manual.

LOL !! Probably people just don't understand the value of 86 as you do.

On to the Negotiation point, Scion says that to make people feel less hassle in buying process. You can still find dealer who is motivated to sell you a car. For negotiating games, go with BRZ.

Can't agree more as to the steering. Test drove base 2009 and 2011 Cayman's before buying this car and they feel identical. Haven't driven the new Cayman though. Good luck to the OP.

After year riding it, complain anout lacks of power. Then you will realize it and trade-in it for a mustang.
Same story, different names tought.

Old Cayman is hydraulic servo, new Cayman is electric as is the FRS/BRZ.

Mustangs ride like a pile of jello on a hot plate and handle like you're sitting on an under-inflated yoga ball. I could see trading in for a used cayman though.

It's selling just fine. That turned out to be a myth. Either way it doesn't really matter, though, because the no-haggle marketing ploy is a strategy set by Toyota that the Scion dealers are supposed to adhere to.

^^^
This.

When I bought mine, the BRZ was priced a few hundred dollars more than the FR-S, but the BRZ was actually selling for $1700 less on average in my area because people could negotiate the lower price on the BRZ.

It is apparently possible to negotiate the Scion price. If you're buying at the end of the month and the dealership hasn't made its sales quota, they may be willing to break "Pure Price" protocol and discount the car to make their numbers for the month. Since they're not supposed to negotiate on price, they also can make up for it in other areas, like giving you more on your trade-in. Someone also mentioned that he got his dealer to break Pure Price by bringing them a quote from another dealer who had a lower sticker price on the car, basically getting them into a bidding war.

The whole marketing concept of Scion just pisses me off in general, so I avoided their stupid price game altogether by going with the Subaru.

I'm well aware of this. Which is astonishing from a feel standpoint and an absolute WIN at this pricepoint. Drive a last gen Cayman and report back. You'll be more impressed with our car. I guarantee it.

Baloney. Scion says that to convince naive young buyers to pay more for the cars than they're really worth. A lot of people are not comfortable negotiating and have a lot of anxiety about the negotiation process. The Pure Price scam takes advantage of their fear. "Trust me, I'm giving you the best deal without negotiating," said the car dealer, and you believed him.

The proof of that is in the averages paid for comparable trim levels of the BRZ and FR-S. The out the door price of the FR-S is consistently higher despite the fact that the sticker price is lower.

You're saying more power would be better and you want an automatic? And this car is worth every penny of its sticker price. Have no idea why these cars are languishing on dealer lots. I guess most people are just power hungry poseurs.

Get a manual, it's got a fairly great shifter and if you want the best deal, email several different scion dealerships in your area with a price you would feel reasonable paying, and don't give them a range, just bottom line price. If they want your business, they will do what it takes to get it.

I was seriously considering the Cayman before buying the FRS. But after doing a bit of research on the IMS issue. I would probably steer away from all Cayman that were made before 09.

But... But... The hideous bumper

No room on the Scion. The GM at our Toyota store is a customer of mine (we own a preschool and his son attends) and while he bent over backwards for us... generous offer on the trade, matched my CU's loan numbers, waived off the $1000 supplemental sticker...his hands were tied as far as needing to show MSRP on the buyers order.

Hop on the "wait for a more powerful model to come out" boat with me. You won't be sorry.

I bought my FRS 1500 off MSRP because they marked ALL of the 10 series FRS on the lot 1500 off MSRP. There is no negotiations on the price, if they want to drop the price, they have to drop it for all the cars that are the same spec on the dealers lot.

My first FRS had like a chip on the paint, I asked for a bumper film instead of a repaint. The dealer switched my car out for another FRS because they said if they offered me paint protection film, they had to give it to everyone else.

Guess i hit a nerve with all these rapid replies-but thanks.

Let me correct - the engine is fine and not a deal breaker. Base Cayman owners bitch about power all the time but still love their cars.

The steering really got me. How did they reproduce that hydraulic feel? I drove a Lotus Exige around Lime Rock for half a day and the 86 is almost as good!!

Don't know why Other manufacturers can't replicate.

Did they at least tell you first?

"Guys, c'mon. He'll never notice."

"Why is my car red now?"

"SHIT."

Yeah, they suggested a repaint of the front bumper, but I wanted original paint on my new 10 series. So I inquired about a bumper film, they said they can't or else they have to give it to everyone else.

So then I asked if they can change the FRS to another one and they said sure. This was after I signed for the car and everything. This was at 10:30 PM, the guy in finance was like "I'm sorry to hear your FRS had a paint blemish, that usually never happens."

Going to be a long boat ride

There are several things the dealer can do to sweeten the deal but still charge full price (if they really want to that is). I got the film protection full window tint and the spoiler thrown in for nothing and a pretty good discount on the lowering springs and TRD exhaust. With the 2015s coming out soon many dealers want to move any 14s they still have in stock.

Get a Subaru STi and you won't look back.

Forget the pretentious comments regarding mt vs at, get what you want, and you will love either decision.

It won't hurt you to try to haggle the price, but it is highly possible to knock off $2000 off a new brz limited.

First things first -- Don't let other people bully you into owning a MT vs AT. If you want the AT, get the AT. They aren't making the payments...you are.

That being said, I drive a 2013 MT and love it. the car is designed to handle the curves and not built for speed so remember that. Backseat is useless so my 7 year old is just tied to the rear trailing arm and dragged to school -- Kidding. The auto trans, in terms of squishboxes, is actually quite impressive and the features it has with it, such as auto downshift, are a nice touch. There are trades to having an auto versus a manual trans (And I am not talking about what people are going to say on a website) so do research first if you're serious about the car.

Lastly, pricing point. Haggle haggle haggle haggle haggle haggle haggle. If you can't or don't know how, then go to google and type "how to haggle"
into the search bar. Understand that even at their "Sticker is the only option" bullshit, the worst they can do is push you for their pricing and at the end of the day, the dealer still needs to make a buck. Selling a car for $xxx is better than letting you walk for $0. I bought my 2013 for $18,500 and traded in a 2007 subaru impreza 2.5i for $5,000 value. after all taxes, licensing, GAP coverage, and the highest level warranty, I walked away with my car for $21,151 out the door.

It takes time, so be patient. And no matter what you drive, enjoy it. Happy driving :burnrubber:

^^ best advice i have heard that is very true. Do your homework. Call multiple dealers even if far out and haggle!
Do any of them offer military discount? ive always wondered....

I don't know about California, but I imagine with all the bases there they would. Here in Arizona, they offered one but I would have had to be currently enlisted. My brother is serving because I can't (Medical defect in heart) so I didn't qualify.

I know where there is a brand new 10 series for <$25k but it's a manual

http://www.fanninscion.com/new/Scion...21bcd6cf25.htm

Kinda throws the whole "must show msrp on sale sheet" out the window don't it.

I got a "Military Discount" buy using USAAs car buying service to get a quote. They give you the price on model and trim level and you take it to a participating dealer and its good for the model and trim in the lot. Used that price as leverage against the closer, non participating dealer. They ended up trading an STi to get CBS for me after I put my deposit down. I also forced them to trailer it. Overall its just about making the dealer work for you. Also an old adage I've heard which has been true for me so far is that, if you feel like you're getting a great deal, you probably got screwed. If you feel like maybe you got screwed a little bit, you got a great deal.

I'm guessing all the 2013 10 series are the same price on this dealer's lot.

No doubt. Sign of how well they sale around here. We have some of the best roads in the world. Winters can be a pain, but everyone has 4x4 of some sort for that. Just not a very interesting car to the general public. Very small niche and that dried up fast.

Every Scion dealership offers a military rebate:

http://www.scion.com/promotions/militaryrebate/

Also recent college grad:
http://www.scion.com/promotions/collegerebate/

Edit: they fluctuate between $500 and $1000 depending on the season and how many cars Scion has moved.

Excellent question and one not worth pondering when your behind the wheel of an FR-S since... well it's best. Welcome to the fun. Hope you enjoy the car as much as I've enjoyed mine.

I love running into a "no haggle" dealer when I have a trade (which is always). This was an actual recent conversation between myself and the sales manager of a "no haggle" Audi store.

Him: "The good news is we're a no haggle dealer. The lowest price is right on the window. It really saves the customer a lot of stress because you know you're getting the best price."

Me: "That sounds perfectly fair, and the good news for you is that I have a no haggle price for my trade in as well. This way we both know we're getting the best price."

Him: "Uh..."

Me: "You're welcome!"

I wouldn't expect them to go below MSRP...Personally I like the no haggle policy as long as they keep their cars reasonably priced. So far they have.

Only when financed through Scion. Horrible requirement...

traded mine for a subaru STI, never looked back...