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SubieNubie 07-30-2014 01:18 PM

IIHS Small Overlap Test - 2014 FRS
 
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PSmY9B9x1c"]2014 Scion FR-S small overlap IIHS crash test - YouTube[/ame]

The moderate Overlap and Side Tests videos are also available on the IIHS site along with their write-ups in the link below.

org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/scion/fr-s

kanundrum 07-30-2014 02:00 PM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ryH4NOcndT...s-nnvemylt.png

dam

HyperTech 07-30-2014 02:12 PM

its better not to have this kind of accident. hehe

Luis_GT 07-30-2014 02:19 PM

Shows how strong the FR-S is... Small overlap is where most cars get marginal or poor ratings...

ZionsWrath 07-30-2014 02:29 PM

I am actually surprised we get an acceptable rating. have you see our car without the body panels? There is hardly anything in the area of impact.

example, of course it is missing bumper beam in the pic and some other bolt on parts but this is the chasis

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/...ps25f88e7d.jpg

Silver Ignition 07-30-2014 02:33 PM

watch some of the other videos after the FR-S one….FR-S doesn't do too bad compared to the competition…Fiat 500L is terrifying!

Luis_GT 07-30-2014 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Ignition (Post 1873433)
watch some of the other videos after the FR-S one….FR-S doesn't do too bad compared to the competition…Fiat 500L is terrifying!

Check Kia Soul or Jeep patriot...

DarkSunrise 07-30-2014 03:02 PM

Yeah small impact IIHS is notoriously difficult. Our cars do pretty well.

Demandred7 07-30-2014 04:03 PM

Good to see an acceptable rating. Small overlap makes minced meat of a lot of cars. Thanks for sharing.

vh_supra26 07-31-2014 01:11 PM

Subaru BRZ, Scion FR-S Earn IIHS Top Safety Pick Rating
 
http://images.thecarconnection.com/h...00474275_h.jpg

http://images.thecarconnection.com/h...00474276_h.jpg

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Small, lightweight sports cars are unsafe, right? Not necessarily -- proving the right design can be safe whatever the size, the Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S sports cars have just been awarded a 'Top Safety Pick' rating by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS). Tested in FR-S guise, both models -- largely identical save for the badge and detail changes to suspension and equipment levels -- achieved the maximum "good" ratings in front moderate overlap, side impact, roof crush and rear impact crash tests. Furthermore, each also received an "acceptable" rating in one of the toughest modern crash tests, the small frontal overlap.

This test in particular has caught out several otherwise-safe vehicles, exposing weaknesses in the structure caused by impacts that put maximum stress through only 25 percent of the body's frontal aspect. While the structure did give way and cause intrusion that raises the risk of lower leg injuries in such an accident, each car received "good" ratings for protection to the head, chest, and hip/thigh region.

Each car, and several others in the organization's small car test series, missed out on the full IIHS "Top Safety Pick+" rating through lack of frontal crash prevention systems. The BR-Z however joins a range of other Subaru models that have scored highly in testing. With four Top Safety Picks and three Top Safety Pick+ vehicles -- the Forester, Legacy sedan and Outback -- Subaru boasts more 2014 IIHS Top Safety Picks than any other brand.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...ty-pick-rating

Bristecom 07-31-2014 03:38 PM

Looks like they should use bigger/better airbags. Subaru generally has no problem with this but these were supplied by Toyoda Gosei (Toyota) which seem to always have this sort of result. Not terrible but definitely some room for improvement.

gramicci101 07-31-2014 03:42 PM

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Each car, and several others in the organization's small car test series, missed out on the full IIHS "Top Safety Pick+" rating through lack of frontal crash prevention systems
What is a frontal crash prevention system?

Target70 07-31-2014 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 1875662)
What is a frontal crash prevention system?

sensor actuated auto braking, I think

1Cor10:23 07-31-2014 04:32 PM

Where's the part-out thread?

8R6 07-31-2014 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 1875662)
What is a frontal crash prevention system?

examples: Forward Collision Warning, Front Collision Warning system

such as Subaru's Eyesight, Benz's commercial showing the car coming to a stop in the fog, etc.

gramicci101 07-31-2014 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Target70 (Post 1875715)
sensor actuated auto braking, I think

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRGT86 (Post 1875871)
examples: Forward Collision Warning, Front Collision Warning system

such as Subaru's Eyesight, Benz's commercial showing the car coming to a stop in the fog, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subaru Eyesight
Precollision warning
Precollision braking
Precollision throttle management
Lane departure warning

That sounds incredibly intrusive, and it's probably impossible to turn off. I can only imagine that going horribly wrong in a track scenario.

Target70 07-31-2014 05:51 PM

I saw an episode of top gear where it kicked in and stopped them half way into a parking space that had a row of bushes at the end.

But yeah, it's about safety, not for track. Hopefully they don't mandate the system for all cars in the future

gramicci101 07-31-2014 06:05 PM

So, say you're in the middle of a line of cars on a track. You've just apexed a hard left hander in preparation to enter the long back straight. The car is getting a bit slippy on the rear end as it pushes wider towards track-out. You're exiting the corner a hair faster than the car in front of you, when suddenly that car enters the sensor zone for your collision avoidance system.

Your car chops throttle and aggressively applies the brakes, in the middle of a sharp turn where you're on the limits of traction and using the throttle to balance the car. Your rear end locks up and whips outward faster than you can countersteer. The car behind you watches helplessly as you spin a tight 180 immediately in front of him. He lets off the throttle and tries to tuck inside of you, but to no avail. As he impacts your front corner and you careen towards the tirewall, a novice three cars back does not react in time, driving into the car in front of him. The wreckage multiplies with NASCAR-reminescient proportions as black flags begin to wave and crash response vehicles are notified.

This is why we shouldn't have nice things. Like proactive crash avoidance systems.

Target70 07-31-2014 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 1875969)
So, say you're in the middle of a line of cars on a track. You've just apexed a hard left hander in preparation to enter the long back straight. The car is getting a bit slippy on the rear end as it pushes wider towards track-out. You're exiting the corner a hair faster than the car in front of you, when suddenly that car enters the sensor zone for your collision avoidance system.

Your car chops throttle and aggressively applies the brakes, in the middle of a sharp turn where you're on the limits of traction and using the throttle to balance the car. Your rear end locks up and whips outward faster than you can countersteer. The car behind you watches helplessly as you spin a tight 180 immediately in front of him. He lets off the throttle and tries to tuck inside of you, but to no avail. As he impacts your front corner and you careen towards the tirewall, a novice three cars back does not react in time, driving into the car in front of him. The wreckage multiplies with NASCAR reminescient proportions as black flags begin to wave and crash response vehicles are notified.

This is why we shouldn't have nice things. Like proactive crash avoidance systems.

but hey, it's great for those guys and gals who can't be bothered to watch the road while eating/texting/playing with the raido/youtubing/etc.. or at least it will be good for them untill it coaxes them into an attitude of indeference due to "well the car will take care of it", thus causing even more distracted driving. And this is where our good overlap crash test results come back in to the topic.

gramicci101 07-31-2014 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Target70 (Post 1875979)
at least it will be good for them untill it coaxes them into an attitude of indeference due to "well the car will take care of it", thus causing even more distracted driving.

That's exactly what the result will be. "I don't need to focus on this, the car will take care of it. OMG, I just got a text from my BFF Jill!"

8R6 07-31-2014 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 1875935)
That sounds incredibly intrusive, and it's probably impossible to turn off. I can only imagine that going horribly wrong in a track scenario.

it totally is. and we can all thank the fucktards on the road today that "drive" while doing everything but driving.

sastexan 08-01-2014 12:12 AM

Why does IIHS denote that this test only applies to cars "built after December 2013"? Was there something changed in the production? Is that when the 2014 model started production? Curious if there is something that is actually different about the vehicle or if this is just a CYA by IIHS due to some cosmetic change.

Scaldy 08-01-2014 12:35 AM

That footage of the fiat: Daaamn. Seriously, how could you buy one after seeing that.

SubieNubie 08-01-2014 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Scaldy (Post 1876593)
That footage of the fiat: Daaamn. Seriously, how could you buy one after seeing that.

The small over lap test is relatively new. Alot of the compact, sub-compact and mini cars are getting hammered in the news for their poor ratings as of late. Which, to me, is bullshit. Considering most cars were designed prior to the test. When they started this test, I was very curious to see how the FRS/BRZ was going to do. I'm actually pretty impressed considering its size.

Jegan_V 08-01-2014 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SubieNubie (Post 1877328)
The small over lap test is relatively new. Alot of the compact, sub-compact and mini cars are getting hammered in the news for their poor ratings as of late. Which, to me, is bullshit. Considering most cars were designed prior to the test.

The problem I have with that notion is, if the model's age indicates its failure rate then the Subaru Legacy(introduced in 2009) and Volvo S60(2010) should've also failed. They didn't, meaning both Subaru and Volvo were committed to crash safety to the degree that even given an unexpected test their designs held up. To me it seems the others have cut corners, if those automakers cared, then at the very minimum they should get the acceptable rating.

rs999 08-01-2014 10:26 PM

The one for the 2015 GTI is scary. The driver's head goes between the gap of the side curtain bag and steering wheel bag.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2apWN173D4A"]2015 Volkswagen GTI small overlap IIHS crash test - YouTube[/ame]

Maybe a third bag that deploys from the A pillar or side vent would cover this gap?

GT/86 08-01-2014 11:48 PM

Not bad at all but did you see the battery on the GTi fly away lol

gramicci101 08-01-2014 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rs999 (Post 1878289)
The one for the 2015 GTI is scary. The driver's head goes between the gap of the side curtain bag and steering wheel bag.

2015 Volkswagen GTI small overlap IIHS crash test - YouTube

Maybe a third bag that deploys from the A pillar or side vent would cover this gap?

A lot of the small cars were doing that. The crash would push the steering column toward the center of the car, push the car to the left, and the driver's head would impact the corner air vent.

SubieNubie 08-02-2014 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jegan_V (Post 1878228)
The problem I have with that notion is, if the model's age indicates its failure rate then the Subaru Legacy(introduced in 2009) and Volvo S60(2010) should've also failed. They didn't, meaning both Subaru and Volvo were committed to crash safety to the degree that even given an unexpected test their designs held up. To me it seems the others have cut corners, if those automakers cared, then at the very minimum they should get the acceptable rating.

Well that was kinda of my whole point. The FRS/BRZ was so well designed for safety that it did pretty well for a test it wasn't designed for. Also the larger cars faired better due to physics.

ayilar 08-02-2014 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rs999 (Post 1878289)
The one for the 2015 GTI is scary.

"Scary"? The new GTI (Mk7) got a "good" rating for the IIHS small overlap test. Based on this finding alone, I'd feel safer in the VW than in my Subaru. This being said, I like my car and am delighted to see it earned an "acceptable" rating.

In related matters, I drove a top-of-the-line Golf TDI in Europe for a week this Summer. Superb car -- will be testing the GTI at home this weekend. I expect a different type of fun than the one that can be had with the twins. For a comparison of the two, AutoCar had a nice discussion of the two last year.


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