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carbonBLUE 05-28-2012 12:50 AM

CarbonBlue's Argento FR-S
 
Sorry for phone pics!

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car is everything everyone says it is, love the seats, steering has a lot of feedback for electric assisted steering, got it sideways on the way home(on a safe road of course, plenty of run off, middle of nowhere), will be taking it calmly for the next 1000 miles :D 4.5 years and today is finally here!

and those tires really do know how to loose grip, in a fun way... lol :D going for a 100 mile drive tonight! woot woot!

carbonBLUE 05-28-2012 08:00 PM

ok pics are up! woot so happy!

Wes 05-28-2012 08:14 PM

wow lucky i cant wait to get mine!! looks nice! =] i sat in one the other day, and yes definitely love the seats!!

WRXGuy1 05-28-2012 08:17 PM

Lucky! Can't wait to hear what you think of the car

carbonBLUE 05-28-2012 08:34 PM

those automatic(yeah i know dont flame) shifts are quick... like really quick...

Guff 05-28-2012 11:20 PM

Can't wait to see it!

russv 05-28-2012 11:29 PM

Dice?

fernan2 05-28-2012 11:47 PM

Your review???

Jay Grey 05-28-2012 11:52 PM

Congrats! Enjoy...

carbonBLUE 05-29-2012 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by russv (Post 229029)
Dice?

Had them from my first car :)

EmilGH 05-29-2012 01:03 AM

Congrats. Nice color!

carbonBLUE 05-29-2012 01:39 AM

Ok here's my first impressions
 
Steering
I think toyota hit this one on the head, extra assist in parking lots at very low speeds and almost no assists at speed and it created great feed back so you know when you have grip or no grip

Handling

Car handles very great, I can say the steering is more neutral than the BRZ and is defiantly leaning more towards over steering, this i like its more fun on roads just getting from point A to B
Transitions from right to left turns(vise versa) is great no body roll, lane changing on the freeway is def fun!!!

Ride Comfort
Compared to my Celica, the ride is defiantly stiffer, same goes when comparing to the BRZ which has a softer ride, I guess its a compromise for handling but its def a good compromise and wouldn't want it any other way :D.

Automatic Transmission
Shifts are QUICK! It surprises me every time I go into the next gear up and down, been down shifting to lights learning to save my breaks. overall I give the auto 6 out of 5 stars just because it is THAT good!

Radio
Sound quality is good, better than the BRZ, no nav but does have blue tooth for calls and music which is all i need, no messing with dangling chords, took me about 20 min to get the radio set up like i want it, its perfect for the enthusiasts

Brakes
Nice confident braking, another 6 out of 5 stars, I'm glad the brakes aren't like a lot of new cars where it jerks you forward because they are too damn touchy...

Acceleration
Car accelerates smoothly nice predictable and responsive, the car reminds me more and more of my beloved Celica

Ergonomics
Everything in the car is exactly where it needs to be, nothing out of place, in the way or too far to reach

Fit and Finish
Paint is nice and deep, looks like a good coating, should be able to withstand scratching to a good extent!!

FUN
Remember this vid?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPoZ1SC8uwk"]2013 Scion FR-S: A New Hope? - Ignition Episode 14 - YouTube[/ame]
The car is defiantly fun, and yes the numbers we all read do literally fly out the window, its not even a second thought for me, its all about the drive, I smiled all day at every corner and through the perfect down shifts, instant and informative steering feel
The car just promotes confidence, within 20 min i was comfortable driving spiritedly and didn't doubt the cars limits once

Gas Milage
Gas mileage was better than i though, i was averaging 30.2 MPGS with spirited driving

and finally
TIRES
I completely understand the choice of tires, they were a perfect match no doubt, just be careful in the rain and leave all the nannies on, trac control and stability control are predictable and VSC Sport allows a good(safe) amount of angle of slip for everyday roads.

Conclusion
I love the car and was def worth the 4-5 year wait, I could have bought any other car in the price range but I'm glad I didn't, the car has earned a permanent spot in my garage and will never be sold, It reminds me of the Celica I regret giving away, but I also see it as a reincarnation of that fun car I used to drive the snot out of, with the correct wheel drive this time!
This is the true modern day trueno...
:D so happy!
I hope this was a great read for yall as it was a great 1st day experience for me!

Grateful Dave 05-29-2012 06:51 AM

:clap: Congrats and happy motoring in your new FR-S!

MVJ1975 05-29-2012 07:38 AM

Congrats! Love the fuzzy dice!

Fussy08X 05-29-2012 08:31 AM

thanks for your review. It was a good read and provided good info . congrats on your car, hope you enjoy. Cant wait til i get my own. bloody australia.

5hairpins 05-29-2012 09:50 AM

Outstanding CB. Glad you are enjoying the ride. Can't wait for our cruise.

Guff 05-29-2012 10:11 AM

Awesome, man! Has your dad driven it yet?

Saibot 05-29-2012 10:41 AM

i thought u wernt suposed to take the engine to high rpms during brake in???

Exhaust 05-29-2012 01:10 PM

Sorry im late, congratulations man!

carbonBLUE 05-29-2012 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saibot (Post 229453)
i thought u wernt suposed to take the engine to high rpms during brake in???

Highest rpm ive been to is 4800 and our was only once, my shift
beep is set at 4k

RRnold 05-29-2012 01:18 PM

Cheers bro!! The silver looks good! :thumbsup:

carbonBLUE 05-30-2012 10:10 AM

Update, rained last night and this morning, went out and hooned around, stock tires grip really well on concrete, but on blacktop roads, forget about it, practice driving at low speeds because the tires lack grip on smoother surfaces,
when my Bluetooth is streaming music to the head unit I cant control the volume through the head unit and only through the phone
The only time I can control volume is when the phone isnt synced with headunit
Sound system is fantastic for stock, cant wait till my sub comes in for deeper bass
Limited slip is great for the roads, really hooks to the roads amd gradually slips into a slide just like the reviews, currently averaging 33.6 mpgs as ive put more miles on the car, at 427 miles on my 3rd day of ownership, got almost 400 miles on one tank with spirited driving/ daily commute :) learning the cars limits quickly, car is becoming more planted as the tires break in :)

SUB-FT86 05-30-2012 10:30 AM

It looks terrific Carbon. Enjoy!!

Want.FR-S 05-30-2012 02:48 PM

Cool story. Congrats to you.

3 days with 400+ miles? You must be driving a lot in that thing. You will finish the break-in in no time. Good for you.

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Originally Posted by carbonBLUE (Post 231216)
...gradually slips into a slide just like the reviews,

Can you elaborate a bit more on this part? Thanks.

KevinDuMa 05-30-2012 02:52 PM

Were you on Spring Valley earlier in the rain? If it I was I saw you!

carbonBLUE 05-30-2012 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Want.FR-S (Post 231566)
Cool story. Congrats to you.

3 days with 400+ miles? You must be driving a lot in that thing. You will finish the break-in in no time. Good for you.



Can you elaborate a bit more on this part? Thanks.

The car doesnt snap what so ever but it is easy to encourage a slide in the rain, commit to the corner and the gas pedal, giving light increases in throttle and the car behaves, in the rain I was at 50% throttle or less, on asphalt you can use about 25% throttle with a flick of the rear end and the car will rotate,
Stability control and traction control also work very wel when you are trying to keep the vehicle planted, but the car still goes where you want it with small amount of oversteer,
Everything off, its a buttery dream :)

carbonBLUE 05-30-2012 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinDuMa (Post 231575)
Were you on Spring Valley earlier in the rain? If it I was I saw you!

Yeah that was me, lol did you see me playing around a bit? I was putti.g the tail out around a couple steetlights lol

carbonBLUE 05-30-2012 03:08 PM

Ohh yeah and also im going to jotech to get a base line dyno done for free :)
Big thanks to them! Currently researching a tuing solution for the FA20 for them, if I can find one im going to ask for free tunes :) I really do hope I find something!

KevinDuMa 05-30-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE (Post 231591)
Yeah that was me, lol did you see me playing around a bit? I was putti.g the tail out around a couple steetlights lol

Haha nah I was turning and saw you passing and noticed it right away. First one I've seen in Dallas so far. Very nice:thumbsup:

carbonBLUE 05-30-2012 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinDuMa (Post 231651)
Haha nah I was turning and saw you passing and noticed it right away. First one I've seen in Dallas so far. Very nice:thumbsup:

Car looks better in person doesnt it?, I think the argento has a classy look to it :)

KevinDuMa 05-30-2012 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE (Post 231664)
Car looks better in person doesnt it?, I think the argento has a classy look to it :)

yes it does, I didn't think anything of silver til i saw it at the dallas auto show. very nice indeed congrats...still waiting on mine :cry:

carbonBLUE 05-30-2012 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinDuMa (Post 231680)
yes it does, I didn't think anything of silver til i saw it at the dallas auto show. very nice indeed congrats...still waiting on mine :cry:

What were you driving?

KevinDuMa 05-30-2012 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by carbonBLUE (Post 231689)
What were you driving?

Sold my car about a month ago, driving my moms 2000 green Accord lol.

carbonBLUE 05-30-2012 04:50 PM

Lol... How soon till you got your BRZ/frs??

KevinDuMa 05-30-2012 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE (Post 231806)
Lol... How soon till you got your BRZ/frs??

Lol...I honestly don't even know...I'm still on the wait list for my BRZ.

Want.FR-S 05-30-2012 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE (Post 231586)
The car doesnt snap what so ever but it is easy to encourage a slide in the rain, commit to the corner and the gas pedal, giving light increases in throttle and the car behaves, in the rain I was at 50% throttle or less, on asphalt you can use about 25% throttle with a flick of the rear end and the car will rotate,
Stability control and traction control also work very wel when you are trying to keep the vehicle planted, but the car still goes where you want it with small amount of oversteer,
Everything off, its a buttery dream :)

Thanks for the feedback. I was worrying about the snap oversteer. If there is a zone where the oversteer is gradually felt, that is good.

carbonBLUE 05-31-2012 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S (Post 231897)
Thanks for the feedback. I was worrying about the snap oversteer. If there is a zone where the oversteer is gradually felt, that is good.

EDIT added a video showing the dif between nannies on and off
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8qggahGNH0"]Toyota 86 Traction Control Demonstration [SKIDPAD] - YouTube[/ame]
yeah just be careful, when i say "not a lot of snap oversteer", considering other cars its very predictable but will still snap none the less, first turn i took with all the nannies off (2nd time with the tail out in this car) it did snap but its not nearly as bad as something you would expect from a mustang so to say, find a quiet safe place with plenty of run off, buy some cones and practice
you dont want to get the tail out a little then have a good day and "try a little bit more" and turn it into a very bad day, every corner i got the tail out was at low speeds with no traffic from any direction most of the time with trac control still on

in vsc sport it does allow the tail to get out but trac control is still on and the engine will cut power to correct the slide, you can do short slide and it doesn't intervene as harshly as if all the nannies were on

you can also temp set trac off at a light and break the tires free till about 33 mph then it turns back on, to me i think this is great if you were trying to get some sort of launch out of the car from a stop, with trac control coming back on at 33mph it keeps you from excessively spinning the tires hooks up around 5.5k rpms and the car pushes on to 2nd gear, 33mph i great because it cuts power after the tq dip so your not stuck in that tq rut :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by justaquestion (Post 232262)
Congrats, but you must not have a lot of experience driving different cars if your giving the auto tranny a 6 out of 5 and the brakes a 6 out of 5. Since they are the same brakes used on the WRX, the tiny STI brembos must be a 12 out of 5, and the DSG and SMG transmissions must be 14 out of 5.

im just saying the tranny is good for the price of the car and well exceeds what i expected, ther are fine tuned parts of the transmission that were purposely built in, there is a every so slight jerk downshifting and up shifting, reminds me of how a manual tranny feels when you shift, my other car (camry) shifts much smoother even when pushing it

experience with cars, well when i was younger i did a lot of valet and i have plenty of seat time in my uncles lambo merci, so the rating i gave it was based on what i expected, yeah its not as good as a high dollar DCT but its better than a GTI DCT

also the wrx is a heavier car so comparably a car that weighs 2700 lbs using brakes form a car that weighs 3300 lbs is more than adequate
i rate it a 6 out of 5 stars for a few reasons
1 brakes a firm and inspires confidence
2 not touchy like a LOT of new cars, really sensitive brakes really annoy the shit out of me
3 brakes are oversized for stock application = less brake fade(not by much but still less), if you autocross 5-6 times a year a brake pad upgrade should be enough if your just having fun and dont want to fry rotors and pads as quickly, which means you wouldnt need a brake kit for the occasional stock autox

carbonBLUE 05-31-2012 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinDuMa (Post 231810)
Lol...I honestly don't even know...I'm still on the wait list for my BRZ.

what position are you in? and which dealership?

KevinDuMa 05-31-2012 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE (Post 232583)
what position are you in? and which dealership?

1 of 1 at Randall Noe Subaru in Terrell...but they just found out they were getting allocated one last month which is when I ordered so its a late order.


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