*** [DECIDED] GReddy *** Full Blown vs GReddy
 

Goodmorrow Ladies and Gents,


As the title points out I am torn between the GReddy kit and the Full Blown Stage 1 Premium with the GTX3076R kit. First let me introduce myself...


My name is Kartik, and I drive a kitted out Tacoma as my daily. Its got Fox coilovers all around with 3/16" skid plates, ARB front bumper, CBI rear bumper, 10000 LB winch from TJM, on 285 duratracks with a roof top tent, 40L of fuel and a spare on the swingout and drinks 80L of regular weekly. Also it looks like this:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--...616_203554.jpg

Please pardon the tent (and my mom), first time opening it up for an upcoming trip.


Now, I will be an owner of a 2015 FRS on August 9th and I was able to get all my parts financed into my payment plan. I was spec'ed out by my favorite shop the GReddy kit but after looking at the parts online, the option of upgrading that kit was a little scarce (please correct me if I am wrong). So I started looking around for a similar setup in terms of placement of the turbo and found Full Blown's Stage 1 Premium kit. Some might argue that this layout of the turbo is not ideal for weight distribution but I also have to take into account the truck loads of road salt that Calgary puts in our 8 month snow season.

I completely understand that driving this car in the winter with a performance turbo is a big no no but I will do it regardless on good dry days (we get those too just simply think that its soooo cold and dry that theres ice and salt dust and anything wet is glazed).


I was wondering if people that have already had FI kits installed on theirs preferably people with GReddy and Full Blown kits to please contribute your thoughts and why I should go with either one. Also if you have another kit in mind please defend your suggestion so that I may weigh all my options.


Thanks for your time guys. Happy hunting...

Well, the GReddy kit and the Full Blown are two different beasts. What are your goals with the car?
Obviously drag racing and highway pulls the Full Blown with the gtx30 (300-500+whp) will blow GReddy out of the water without a question, but if you want something more streetable (220-350+ whp) GReddy would be the better option. It comes down to what you want long term. I chose the GReddy kit mainly because I like their products and it met my goals.

I would suggest finding locals in your area that have FI and taking a ride in their car to feel the different power levels (200 300 400) just the jump from stock 150 to 250 is huge.

Full Blown and GReddy are very quality companies and you won't go wrong with either choice.

Thanks for your input. My goals for this car are :
1. Its going to be a DD.
2. Down the road in about a year it will become trackable.
3. Motor will be rebuilt in a couple of years to handle a bit more power.

Next year all the bracing and all the bushings will get put on. Coilovers too. I just wanted to have an upgrade path in terms of the kit which I dont know if I can do that with the GReddy kit.

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Like midnight they are both capable kits.
For your goals chose FMB, all the way.
Don't look back.
They will support more than GReedy.
Meaning you can/will deal with them directly.
This being said, I have neither kit.
Just talk to full blown yourself let them know your goal progression.
You will be happy.

Definitely, go with the full blown since you are planning to rebuild for more power later. You should be fine buying every part you need from them, built motor, turbo kit, cooling:burnrubber:

I have a custom kit made by a reputable local shop sporting a GTX3076R.

The turbo is awesome.

I would recommend either FBM, or local custom if a reputable shop is available.

I love my turbo choice a lot, and it has great room to grow.

I was online comparing the turbos and the honeywell site said 0.70 AR for that turbo. Does that still hold true for the FBM kit or does the piping change that? Also tbis would push on peak boost around the 3.5 or 4k rpm would it not compared to the GReddy kit?

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whoa whoa whoa, slow this down.

You are comparing two very different kits with two very differant turbos. First off why the gtx30? Do you have e85? or planning on lowering the compression? The gtx30 is great all around but really makes itself beneficial above 450 where the gtx28 cant keep up. The gtx28 is an absolute torque monster (see my build thread for dyno) and is extremely efficient below 450whp. I believe its the best fit for this engine at stock compression. Fullblown also has amazing customer service and does not require cutting the crash beam. Not a huge selling point for some, but in an area with bad weather might be something you want to think about. The kit is also easily upgradeable.
The greddy kit is good quality and fits well but dont expect over 300whp without a different turbo and a bov. Also the crash beam gets hacked up if that bothers you. Personally the turbo is archaic compared to a gtx.
Look at my build thread. I would strongly suggest the fullblown kit and seriously consider the gtx28 unless you have e85 or are planning on lowering the compression and blowing up a transmission.

I am planning on doing the latter. The crash beam is important to me which is also a plus. I only thought about the gtx3076r because i saw a bunch of other kits using it. But i will definitely have a look at your build thread. Thanks.

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Yeah take Reaper's advice. The nice thing is if you want to go from a GTX28 to a GTX30 it's a simple swap. The GTX28 will supply more than enough power to blow up your engine. :)

I feel the gtx28 is right about where the transmission and stock engine are at their limits. The gtx30 is nice, but you're up over 500whp before you start making the same wheel torque as my gtx28 and i really dont need 550whp or so on a stock engine and drivetrain. Granted wtq, not whp is what truely breaks stuff i feel like my fat torque curve favors my valvetrain a bit.

If you look at my dyno sheet you'll see my torque drop off a bit in the high rpm's(after 6500rpm). Im on a manual boost controller for a few reasons but with an ebcs you could flatten that out a little more and make it more of a monster.

You could also buy @dwx 's kit. He has a gtx28

Multiple guys have gotten over 300 whp with custom tuning on the unmodified GReddy kit with 93 octane. With that being said, I would recommend the Full Blown Base Stage 1 kit with the GT2871R as a nice compromise between the two kits in the poll. It should do over 300 whp even on Canadian 91 octane and will save you some money.

I don't know that financing a turbo kit into the purchase of the car is a great idea though.

Listen to these people. They have real hands on experience. Remember pay for a quality dyno tune from a tuner who knows the platform. Its not boost that blows engines its usually bad installs and a bad tune

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So many options out there... My question to you is why these two? Even check out the SC options? Do you plan on installing or using a shop to do the work for you?


This isn't a plunge you will want to take half-blind. Dip your toe, read more and then decide if you really want to swim in these waters.


I don't know if I'm overly paranoid, but I've been noticing some folks with issues lately. Maybe related to E85, maybe not. Our platform is still so new that no one really knows what's going to be bulletproof.


If you're OK with a possible blown trans, rear or motor, then I'd recommend the FBM kit because its got the most overhead. Of the two I've seen, however, I would definitely spend for the cooling upgrades. They aren't kind in that department.


Midnight23's car is solid and I followed it before I took the plunge on my car. Our setups and power outputs are similar. I believe I am just as happy as he is. I love my boosted BRZ but who doesn't want MORE POWER? :D

Seconding the GT2871R as a great turbo to start at. It will get 300whp and the quick spool makes it hilariously fun. Having a bunch of boost but having to wait until you're in the mid-upper RPMs is meh. :D

Here's my kinda build thread
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40169

The gtx28 is an amazing turbo and if I hadn't gone the big HP route I would've went with it. The customer service FBM provides is second to none and in my mind that is the most important thing to consider when choosing a supplier.

I would consider @MAPerformance kit as well. FBM is nice, Both kits are upgradable.

The ceramic coating option from full blown on the base kit, is it for the header and the down pipe?

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Thanks. I will definitely check that out as well...

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I will also check out Maperformance... Thanks



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Yes its all the hot parts. My only concern with the map kit is the stainless intercooler pipes but other than that it's ok

One thing I do like about SS charge pipes is you are safe to crank down on T-Bolt clamps without crushing the pipe. Not saying that you see aluminium pipes getting crush to often, but its nice not to worry about that. Just like with everything there advantages and disadvantages. :/

@slisgrinder

To OP, you're in Calgary, AB?? Call Ryan @ Vex Performance you know they're a Treadstone dealer and installer/tuner right?? Just a thought. They've boosted now at least half dozen of our cars now in these parts. I know they've done a few FBM kits, innovates, vortech etc etc...

Not sure I'd trust a dealer to do install etc, I'd rather get a shop that knows what the F they're actually doing. The install and tune is VERY important to say least on our cars. Also know you'll want catch cans and a THermostatic controlled oil cooler as well. Plan on 7-10k overall by time done.

Ill be doing the install with some help from friends who know what they are doing. Ill be getting it dyno at some place near chinook. Maybe thats the place you are mentioning?

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I have installed greedy tuner turbo kit, and it is absolutely superb. Its the best decision that I have taken, and worth every penny. The drives like a dream now, even though there is a big turbo there is much less lag than a Evo or an STi, and there is plenty of toque at around 2000rpm that make overtaking even on the 5th gear pretty simple which I could have newer done with a STi. I got a Delicious Tuning EcuTek Flash and Go, which worked every well with my setup and didn't even need to retune it worked at the first go. I don't know about the FullBlown but to me Greddy is awesome.

Well... I am have made a decision and I am gonna go with the GReddy kit. It seems to be good enough for my needs and there is always room to grow with a little bit of work.


Thanks guys for all your help.

so for 300whp...
 

Sorry quoted wrong person...
So for 300 whp you're looking at about 12psi of boost with the gt2871???

Jaden

ergggh quoted the wrong person...
 

So it looks like for 300whp you're looking at just under 12 lbs of boost????

Jaden

That sounds about right. Somewhere between 10 and 12 psi should produce 300 whp on a GT2871R.

that's not bad...
 

I wouldn't feel safe running more than 14psi on a stock block and that would be with upgraded fuel system and running meth inj...


But 350WHP would be nice in a twin...

Jaden

Between these two kits I would pick the Greddy Turbo Kit. They seem more consistent from customer to customer when we tune them. We have tunes out for the Greddy kit around the world and literally every time it works the first time. Customer always loves the results and we are never diagnosing installation problems, vacuum leaks, injector issues, etc...

I am proponent for simple installation, consistency, and reliability, with that in mind Greddy definitely seems to have nailed it.

Some other great options out there to look at, JDL and MAP Performance that we definitely like a lot too. And the Full Blown though maybe not our favorite, does work, can be reliable, consistent and makes power when installed professionally by a reputable shop.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

So you'd take a kit that destroys radiators over a proven kit? I think you just have something against FBM tbh. You say it can be reliable and consistent when installed by a shop, isn't this true of all kits? How many MAP kits are out there running vs FBM, AVO, etc?