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edeekeos 07-20-2014 04:09 AM

Strange rear end 'click'?
 
So I notice an odd click/clink from the left rear wheel today(exactly like hot metal cooling down after you shut off the car). It seems to only happen when under load, even at the very slightest. I jacked the rear end up, and with the help of my wife, turned the wheels and everything was smooth. However, when taking off, in 1st or even reverse it will generally occur. It's not a guarantee though, sometimes I don't hear anything, and it's not like a consistent patterned noise, like a rock in the tire. It's totally random.

My first thought was diff, but it drives butter smooth, no weird popping, or grinding at all. I have read some threads about a similar noise, and the culprit being loose axle nuts. So I took the wheel off, and re-torqued it. It barely moved, so I doubt that's it. I'm thinking CV joint, but I can't imagine how?

I AM running OFT, with an e85 tune, but surely that's not enough power increase to be popping CV joints? I'm not lowered, and no wheel spacers, or aftermarket wheels. It's basically an all stock car. No drag racing, or auto cross either, but I do drive it like a sports car, with the occasional spirited country sprint, and sometimes sliding the rear end around a bit. I'm at a loss..

litemup 07-20-2014 04:34 AM

How long have you been driving it? I remember the first time my wife and I went out joyriding and we both heard this - http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13451

We were so concerned at the time, I pulled over and searched all around both rear wheel wells.

edeekeos 07-20-2014 04:40 AM

Nah, it's not the rear deck. I do have that sound though, albeit very faint so I havent messed with it. This is 100% in the left rear wheel well area. I have around 4500mi on it at this point. Just returned from a 750mi trip if that matters any.

Thanks for the suggestion!

deucethemoose 07-20-2014 05:46 AM

I have it. No idea what it is though. Only seems to happen when starting from a stop, and what I perceive to be the left side, because that is where I am sitting. My list of potentials are:

U-joint
Axles


Visual inspection looks fine on everything. No negative effects thus far, and I've probably had it for ~4000 miles. I chalked it up to "because race car"

edeekeos 07-20-2014 05:52 AM

Lol yeah maybe it's been there for a while I've just not noticed it. Hmm. Really curious though, I will say something about my next dealer visit I guess.

nzer 07-20-2014 06:55 AM

@edeekeos you have said it's not the rear deck but sometimes these noises aren't that directional.

Here's a fix I came up with that fixed all the noises I was getting from the rear of my car. Only takes 30s so worth a try and even if it doesn't fix the loud noise might fix the feint one you have

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42065

deucethemoose 07-20-2014 12:21 PM

This definitely is not the rear deck.

Malt 07-20-2014 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edeekeos (Post 1855593)
So I notice an odd click/clink from the left rear wheel today(exactly like hot metal cooling down after you shut off the car). It seems to only happen when under load, even at the very slightest. I jacked the rear end up, and with the help of my wife, turned the wheels and everything was smooth. However, when taking off, in 1st or even reverse it will generally occur. It's not a guarantee though, sometimes I don't hear anything, and it's not like a consistent patterned noise, like a rock in the tire. It's totally random.

My first thought was diff, but it drives butter smooth, no weird popping, or grinding at all. I have read some threads about a similar noise, and the culprit being loose axle nuts. So I took the wheel off, and re-torqued it. It barely moved, so I doubt that's it. I'm thinking CV joint, but I can't imagine how?

I AM running OFT, with an e85 tune, but surely that's not enough power increase to be popping CV joints? I'm not lowered, and no wheel spacers, or aftermarket wheels. It's basically an all stock car. No drag racing, or auto cross either, but I do drive it like a sports car, with the occasional spirited country sprint, and sometimes sliding the rear end around a bit. I'm at a loss..

If all you've done to the car is an OFT running an E85 tune, I'd run the E85 out and fill up with gas. Flash to a gasoline map (or stock if you are concerned with them flashing over your tune) and heading to the dealership and letting them diagnose/fix it. You have a warranty for a reason, use it.

BMA 07-20-2014 12:43 PM

I have this noise as well, it comes from the rear left side of the car. I can even hear it sometimes when just getting in and out of the car with the car turned off. I have no power mods, just some wheels and tires.

mike the snake 07-20-2014 01:43 PM

My old car used to make clicking sounds from the rear, maybe the wheels or brakes rotors, no one ever really nailed it down, but I would try torquing your wheel lugs, or even swapping rear wheels side to side.

Just removing and reinstalling the wheels got rid of the clicking on my old car.

stugray 07-20-2014 02:23 PM

Mine just started doing this last night.
I saw another thread on here where the OP posted a video of him running next to the car and the left rear was clicking away.

In that thread they explained that it is the rear axles and they need to be retorqued.
I think I'll just take it to the dealer and ask them to retorque

edeekeos 07-20-2014 02:29 PM

Yeah, I tried retorquing the axle nut, to no avail. Also, for whats it's worth, I just went and did the rear deck popping fix. Original high piched pop still persists. I will be taking it to the dealer this coming weekend, and see what they think.

litemup 07-20-2014 02:54 PM

Looking forward to hearing how it works out. Best wishes.

stugray 07-20-2014 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by edeekeos (Post 1855931)
Yeah, I tried retorquing the axle nut, to no avail. Also, for whats it's worth, I just went and did the rear deck popping fix. Original high piched pop still persists. I will be taking it to the dealer this coming weekend, and see what they think.

I think what they mean is behind the wheel where the U-joints (CVs) bolt to the wheel hub.

deucethemoose 07-20-2014 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stugray (Post 1856031)
I think what they mean is behind the wheel where the U-joints (CVs) bolt to the wheel hub.

The u joint is on the driveshaft, not on the axles.

litemup 07-20-2014 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by deucethemoose (Post 1856209)
The u joint is on the driveshaft, not on the axles.

Those are constant-velocity u-joints.

stugray 07-20-2014 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deucethemoose (Post 1856209)
The u joint is on the driveshaft, not on the axles.

There are 4 CV joints on these cars. One at each end of each rear drive axles.
In the manual they are referred to as "EDJ"s or EBJ (extensible ball joint :iono:)

In the manual I dont see any bolts on the axles to torque though.

deucethemoose 07-20-2014 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by litemup (Post 1856223)
Those are constant-velocity u-joints.


No.

I understand what you're trying to say, but a Universal joint and a Constant Velocity joint are not the same.

CV (axles):
http://atvpartsconnection.com/img/diagrams/cv_joint.png

U-joint (driveshaft):
http://arrc.ebscohost.com/ebsco_stat.../8852lg06L.jpg

Muaddib 07-20-2014 11:36 PM

I just ignore it. :p

deucethemoose 07-20-2014 11:53 PM

Just turn the radio up, or run a loud exhaust.

Jolaessss 07-21-2014 12:34 AM

I also experience this clicking sound. Its usually when I pull out of my driveway. I too am running e85 and other car mods but I have been hearing this click ever since i was bone stock. Maybe its normal?! haha idk

litemup 07-21-2014 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by stugray (Post 1856233)
There are 4 CV joints on these cars. One at each end of each rear drive axles.
In the manual they are referred to as "EDJ"s or EBJ (extensible ball joint :iono:)

In the manual I dont see any bolts on the axles to torque though.

If the bolts holding the rear axle bearing housing to the rear axle carrier were loose that would be some seriously dangerous mojo.

Besides the axle nut, those are the only other axle-related fasteners I see potentially needing to be torqued.

But there's no actual torque being applied to that joint. Just a cantilevered load.

litemup 07-21-2014 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by deucethemoose (Post 1856490)
No.

I understand what you're trying to say, but a Universal joint and a Constant Velocity joint are not the same.

Well I feel a little dirty. I was just trolling to back up Stu. "Bazinga," I guess.

edeekeos 07-21-2014 12:49 AM

I took the wheel off again, and re-torqued the 4 'axle bearing housing' bolts, as I only did the axle nut the first time. While down there I re-torqued ALL the suspension bolts as well. Still no change. At this point in time, I am ~%95 sure its the cage in the CV joint. Is it feasible/safe to pull the boot, and check this without pulling the axle?

Probably suffered the same fate as this one..
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...psbbe9d8b5.jpg

deucethemoose 07-21-2014 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by litemup (Post 1856619)
Well I feel a little dirty. I was just trolling to back up Stu. "Bazinga," I guess.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/buh...86_4269878.jpg

litemup 07-21-2014 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deucethemoose (Post 1856630)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1405278116

deucethemoose 07-21-2014 01:58 AM

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/cd/cdef...8cf9c9924d.jpg

FRSpappa 07-21-2014 10:17 AM

Rear brake adjusters for parking brake maybe??? I had a Chevy Impala that did that...


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edeekeos 07-21-2014 01:07 PM

How would I check this?

marcoaferrer 07-21-2014 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by deucethemoose (Post 1856630)

I dont know why this picture made my day....

feldy 07-21-2014 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edeekeos (Post 1855931)
Yeah, I tried retorquing the axle nut, to no avail. Also, for whats it's worth, I just went and did the rear deck popping fix. Original high piched pop still persists. I will be taking it to the dealer this coming weekend, and see what they think.


Re-doing the axle nut did not fix mine. They had to replace the entire thing. Its the metal getting cracked in the cv joint.

deucethemoose 07-21-2014 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by marcoaferrer (Post 1857337)
I dont know why this picture made my day....

I do what I can.

gonzo 08-21-2014 04:01 PM

[ame]http://youtu.be/OZoN6mWBgro[/ame]

Does it sound like this? My dealer can't figure it out after leaving the car with them all day.

stugray 08-21-2014 07:10 PM

Mine is at the dealers right now for that very noise.

I swore it was a CV joint, so they replaced the whole drvs side axle.
They just called and said the noise did not go away.

So they are going to replace the wheel bearing next.

Here is my noise (sorry vid taken in the dark):
[ame]http://youtu.be/Yn8y8lnsHWA[/ame]

gonzo 11-24-2014 05:02 PM

So what was it? Mine is getting worse (clicks more often). Now sometimes it'll click twice in rapid succession.

Btw your video is private so we can't see it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stugray (Post 1911034)
Mine is at the dealers right now for that very noise.

I swore it was a CV joint, so they replaced the whole drvs side axle.
They just called and said the noise did not go away.

So they are going to replace the wheel bearing next.

Here is my noise (sorry vid taken in the dark):
http://youtu.be/Yn8y8lnsHWA


DAEMANO 11-24-2014 05:29 PM

I had the click in my left rear (for quite some time). It sounded just like the OPs video. It didn't get worse or better.

Recently I had some ARP extended studs installed. The mechanic had to remove the rear hubs. Install complete and now the clicking is totally gone. It's bee a couple of weeks now and the click has not returned. My guess, summin' is loose back der.

stugray 11-24-2014 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 2033659)
So what was it? Mine is getting worse (clicks more often). Now sometimes it'll click twice in rapid succession.

Btw your video is private so we can't see it.

They replaced the whole drv side half-shaft that comes with both CV ends.
The noise didnt go away so they replaced the wheel bearing.

Then the noise sounded better to them so they declared it fixed.
On the test drive, I told them they fixed the drv side, but now I could hear the pass side.

So they probably got rid of the noise on the drv side with the half shaft, and they were then hearing the pass side. So they changed the bearing when they didnt need to.

Now the pass side does it and it is getting worse, so I'll just wait until it's about to fall off before I take it back again.

I am convinced it is the CV joint.
Try the video again (it's just audio)

M&W_FRS 11-24-2014 08:22 PM

Mine makes the same noise as in the video. The head mechanic at the dealership I currently have my car at swears its a normal noise from the drive shaft, but that doesn't explain why it only started making the noise 2 weeks ago after 18 months of ownership.

enivid 11-26-2014 10:52 AM

Mine does that. I can get multiple clicks in a row. Can always hear it when pulling out of the garage or if I'm on the gas and release, it will click.


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