New rumor: Subaru FT-86 Version Could Have 60hp More Than Toyota FT-86
 

Rendering:

http://cdn.images.autocar.co.uk/612x...01600x1060.jpg

MMMMMMMM Turbo.
I just hope it looks as good as the FT

Wait, didnt toyota already announce the 2013 delay thing was a rumor?

Which is why I take anything in this article with a grain of salt. Seems like many publications just want to be able to print something (anything) on this project. :mad0259:

I still Don't see any prototype/concept on any International car shows so I'll take this another grain of salt

I believe it when I see it.

Thats what I was thinking, I'm guessing Toyota wouldn't reassure people that the car was on track for 2011 and then change it, what, a month later? I'm sure as was stated by Hachiroku that they probably just wanted to put down something for people to read.

looking at the rendering, it looks like the G Sports version of the Toyota with fog lights, hood scoop and diff wheels... oh and diff headlights

It also resembles the last gen Celica.

I call bullshit.

I love reading these kinds of article. Good job Auto Car UK, keep up this bs!

i call bs, espec since the name 216a isnt mentioned ANYwhere yet FT86 (a project name just likt 216a) is used pletifully.
i call bs :)

A lot of wrong things in that artical... this one above I noticed.. Its using that asien or what ever 6 spd gbox. Not the subaru 6spd

:bs:

Especially considering the Subaru transmissions have a center differential and assorted AWD stuff built into it.

Note where the front axles come out of the transmission in the pic.

http://wrx-tx.com/yahoo_site_admin/a....120105804.jpg

That can be fixed. There's a kit to take off the center diff. Also a caps to close the front axles. IIRC wasn't there a guy use to race in Formula D in STI just taking out the front axles and put back the front axles for the Rally.

but that would not be done to a production car esp since the GB with all the extra gears inside will be heavier and more expensive to manufacture

I'm not saying, I'm all for it. Dimman brought up Center Dif & front axles problem. I just said, there's solution for that.

Sure it can be modified, but this is supposed to be an inexpensive shared development. As a project lead do you:

a: Take an existing transmission that needs extensive modifications (Subaru AWD version)?

or

b: Go with an existing transmission that is already setup for the prescribed RWD setup that just needs a bellhousing change (maybe not even)?

Since the answer, to me at least, seems obvious, that would lead me to conclude that the article is wrong on the transmission choice. Further following this logic, the strange explanation of a (large!) Legacy platform with new-generation Impreza rear suspension is also likely wrong.

Continue through to all points of the article and I might as well write my own article about it, and be just as correct as they are.

It's not that it can't be done, it's that it realistically shouldn't and won't be done.

Oh I totally agree w you... but that doesn't mean they gonna be stupid & choose #a.

It's the Subie ver, not the Toyota ver. Subie doesn't have to have same chassis layout was Toyota. They can do what ever they want it their ver. Current STI's tranny is awesome, so I don't see why not putting that tranny in and make it new Coupe STI again... and maybe 3 dr ver.

now that would be a car i would be proud to own :)
but realistically the article said that the only thing diff between the 2 cars is the bumpers/hood/lights which means that the chassis is the same. this follows suit to what badge engineering is anyway. we can all guess and speculate but until ther is OFFICIAL news of ANY sort everything else is just that.. speculation.
btw i wasnt attacking you in my previous post, i was just saying that its not financially feasible to use a AWD tranny on a RWD setup from a mass production point of view. from a buyers point of view, them using a AWD gb in the production model would mean that there would be a posiblity of making the car AWD with some modifying making this light weight car just awesome for everything, bar drifting :)

The thing is, Ichi, that if you look at the front of the car, and how forward the front wheels are, think of how forward the engine would have to be to use Subaru's normal AWD layout. From the proportions of the car, the motor will probably be behind the front axles, Subaru's AWD will not be feasible with this design...

Sorry to break the hearts of any Subaru faithful that may be praying for an AWD version.

It may also be less drift-friendly.

Yes, current hatch is awesome looking imo, so I can't wait to see if they can make coupe & coupe hatch ver.

Realistic? What was so realistic bout this article? Nothing! Didn't have any realistic fact bout this.

Subaru still can make totally different FT86 ver for their side. They still haven't show any concept at any auto shows (yet)... other than spy pic & vid at the Nur track & even that was just put together current Subaru chassis parts to test the AWD & RWD set-up. That's why all those auto blog/online places guess that Subaru gonna use current Legacy & Impreza parts for it (whatta f'ckin morons). I don't remember Subaru stating next car will have current Legacy & Impreza parts.

correct me, if I'm wrong.

& I photoshop current STI sedan into coupe (AWD ver of course). If they make kinda like this (or even better) concept at the auto show... IDK, if I have enough $ to buy both FT86 & coupe. lol

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...ed-1copy-2.jpg

I can think of MANY Subaru guys that would dump the 216a in a heartbeat if they could get an STI Impreza coupe instead.

Like I said, I totally agree w you. That doesn't mean anything.

Did any auto show that next Impreza or next gen car will be FR? I don't think so.

Like I said to 70NYD, Subaru still can do anything they want to next car. Why they gonna follow same chassis as Toyota? Subaru haven't shown official concept of this car yet. It's all speculation and nothing official. Just some spy pic and vid was see here and there... but that's all.

...I'll be one of em.

I think the idea of the project is so they don't HAVE to make an entirely different car. This way they get an attention-getting sports car with Toyota supplying most of the money and using some existing Subaru parts.

Think of the Porsche Cayenne and VW Touareg. Different, yet the same.

Also remember that Toyota is the boss here. ;)

Also if they don't change it around too much they have more resources available if they want to do the Impreza coupe.

No offense but... who said that? I don't remember them saying it like that. Toyota just stated they gonna be using Subaru's boxer engine in FT86 and it'll be FR. When that happened spy cameras were seeing coupe Subaru test driving around Nur. Subaru said they'll use Toyota FT86's tech to make their ver (216a). Rest are all speculations.

Hm... I can't agree on Toyota been the boss. Yes, Toyota have certain power over Subaru... but that doesn't stop Subaru from going different way.

FT86 is already a great resource for Subaru. If they want, they can make next gen SVX making it H6 w Toyota/Yamaha engineered Head (& add one more cylinder each on each side).

Pretty much until we actually see the Subaru ver, all we can do is speculate.

Toyota owns ~20% of Subaru which is more than enough to have heavy influence (not a controlling share but a major one at that)
also sorry if i am wrong but i was under the impression this WHOLE time, since finding out about this car, reading things on the web and on this very site from many ppl that the difference between the toyotas and subarus version will be the badge as it is a JOINT venture.. if they start changing the chassis then you need a whole new development, which negates the need and/or purpose of a joint venture.
however if this is JUST a toyota that is using a subaru engine (and not a joint venture) then why is this forum have 216a in its name, why would the subaru version look ANYthing like the toyota if the chassis is different.. no body pannels will be the same, the shape would not be the same or even similar.. badge engineering is taking a car, changing the badge and a few panels and calling it something else eg ford probe/mazda MX6, ford laser/mazda 323, pontiac gto/holden monaro/Vaxhaul GTO

so IF the 216a isnt a rebadged version of the FT86 then WHAT is it?? does it even exist?? if a 216a does not and will not exist then why are we arguing over it? i wasnt talking about a impreza WRX coupe, i was talking about the rebadged FT86 ie 216a

The Toyota being the boss was just me trying being a bit funny and maybe a bit of a **** too. TOYOTA FTMFW!!! (sorry...)

Most cost effective for them is take the FT/R-86/S, different front and rear bumpers/lights. Subaru styled interior. World Rally Blue paint. Subaru badge. Prodrive or BBS wheels (gold optional). Done. Awesome little car as is (in theory anyways). No need for them to worry about AWD on this one. Gives them more $$$ to play with on their own future projects.

I think part of my thinking comes from when they were a really niche, low-volume company in the '90s and were in the middle of developing the SVX. They didn't have the engineering resources to introduce a manual AND an automatic that suited the EG33 to their standards. So instead of two so-so options they pulled the trigger on one good one. But it was the auto.

That really isn't the case anymore, so I have to stop thinking of them as a little niche company.

Good point.
I remembered something...
That Subaru suposely used the floor pan of the 300ZX for the SVX but moffied the front chassie rails to accommdate the EG33.

Just my pure entertainment. It's been kinda boring around here, so thought to spice things up. :)

Really? I thought, it was horrible idea to have auto in SVX. Every SVX ever seen in junkyard, it's always blown tranny. Now, they have enough tech to put great H6 & stronger MT or AT to hold that power. Also first time I saw the rear brake light of FT86 it reminded me of SVX rear.
SVX Rear
http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/h...ndows/SVX3.jpg

FT86c Rear
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content..._back_main.jpg

well kinda similar...

Subaru originally said they only used the auto because the manuals could not handle it...
Saying that after this time and alot of manuals have been fitted to SVXi, Its been found that if you drive it in the higher Rev range the engine spews its coolant out.
If you drive normally its fine. But ive heard from some guys that if you take it to the track you can empty the raditor after 2-3 laps.
There has been work done to solve the problem.. and it has got alot better. There is a restriction in the cooling system.
The auto has a top rev range set to 5900rpm? I cant remember exactly?
Autos dont get the cooling problems the same.
I never got any of mine to over heat. Even when I was driving around with a slipping auto lol going up to 7 or 8k rev line.

yay another waste of a thread lol

Reminds me of an rx-7 actually.

+1

Well kinda does...
http://www.japcars.com.au/mazda-rx7_r_rear.jpg

the rendered image of what it might look like is ugly imo