6/23/14 - Could the Subaru BRZ Be Dropped Entirely?
 

FYI - 6/23/14 - Could the Subaru BRZ Be Dropped Entirely?

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2014/6/2...irely-7721034/

Interesting rumors!

Will @ 468power

Just wanted to let you know, this was posted a few days ago, in the BRZ forum, from a different source (which is how it was a few days older)

no one seems overly pleased with the rumor, or its validity.

The BMW partnership is for a full sized sports car (or mid-sized modular platform according to motor trend), bmw does not make an affordable entry anything really..so I do not see the partnership replacing the subaru one here.

But really, :iono:

April Fools!!!

IMO - A robust inline 4 or 6 like the BMWs or Toyota 2JZs would be pretty sweet engine for a light weight RWD lower cost platform such as the FT86.

I love how they always post up stock photos of current lineups, like it validates their rumors. Oh geez look, a stock factory interior!

This second project car between BMW and Toyota will essentially be replacements for the BMW Z4 and Toyota GT86 / Scion FR-S come 2017. What is known about the project is that it will be the first mid-engined mainstream two-seater model for both brands and will likely sport a hybrid power train with a six-cylinder engine.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...z7-models.html

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ebut-2017.html

Wouldn't a mid-engine be a successor to the MR2? And not the 86 platform?

Didn't they say it was supposed to be a hyper car. Kind of like the i8?

There is nothing in that article except rehashed speculation, rumors and innuendos. I do not understand why online sources even bother to type out and post crap like this like this. Oh wait,.......click bait.

Thats actually not true. The first joint BMW/Toyota car will be a midsize, not a full size.

Currently what is being reported is Toyota and BMW are working on a new modular platform that will underpin all future sports car for both companies.

Going to a joint modular platform will save a lot of time and R&D for both BMW and Toyota. But again, everything is rumors at this point so take it with a gain of salt.

While I do agreed with you for the most part, people said the same when Peter Lyon of MotorTrend reported that Toyota was working on a LC (SC replacement) and new Supra concept (with FT-HS styling cues).

I'm not saying the media is always right, but we shouldn't be saying every report is "BS" if you will. But than again, only time will tell.

http://wot.motortrend.com/lexus-work...ment-9697.html

http://wot.motortrend.com/we-hear-ne...id-145159.html

It must suck to have a sweet little car in your driveway but spend all of your time worrying about what the next version might be.

My mistake, autoblog kept saying full sized when I read reports

I have to say, I really like the BMW Z7 concept pic. A Z7M that looked like that wouldn't be too bad at all.

Now if only I could afford it...

so far the rumor mills has it this way.

1. a BMW Z4 and Toyota GT86 replacement.

and than a second joint project is in the works.

2. a mid engine BMW Z7 and Lexus ZC.

If rumors are true, we'd have a turbo 2.5 convertible FR-S :P

im not going into the whole turbo debate, but the reason why no convertible is because Subaru doesnt want to built.

With four doors and a hatch of course.

Haha, I was being facetious.

Was hesitant on dropping this bombshell but I can't contain it anymore.

It's finally proof, the death of the hated boxer engine will result in the return of the Supra with a BMW I6, this of course will slot in much higher than the current Toyobaru leaving a hole in the sub $30k market.

The solution is obvious, it was hinted at years ago when the development was revealed and talked about:

The return of the rotary: Mazda's 16x will finally hit the road, the GT86-R will be the next generation and Mazda will finally deliver an RX-9. This would have been the original plan but the bean counters invested in Fuji instead of Mazda forcing Toyota's development team to compromise, only now do they realize their mistake after several years of difficult relations. Add in Mazda's considerable experience with roadsters and four doors that are actually fun to drive and the platform will finally expand the way the marketing department always dreamed.

It's as good as guaranteed. Source:
http://blog.toyota.co.uk/tada-how-to...6#.U6h-zCia-4s

It just makes sense no way around it.

Subaru has been paid off, they've got their return on investment they're just waiting out the contract and they've got a shiny new DIT engine out of it in exchange for a capable RWD chassis their marketing department doesn't even know how to sell.

Mark my words, Subaru has already sent the drawings to Mazda and BMW and they're just waiting for the word to box up the tooling to clear floor space to make more Forresters.

As long as Mazda doesn't make the RX-9 with giant horse nostrils and an overused rotor motif, it should be good. And it should be turbocharged, in true rotary fashion.

F-L-U-F-F

I just have this to say...

http://janiceburney.com/wp-content/u...er-299x300.jpg

Lol this is just too appropriate...

I understand Toyota is not entirely happy about the joint venture with Subaru. The problem is primarily related to the (lack of) product quality and high production cost. But Toyota cannot do it alone, because of its inability to mass manufacture a H4 engine.

Capacity is also an issue. In other Toyota plants, several models are usually built at the same time and therefore, the production line is flexible to switch among difference models. In this case, this is an orphan model. Toyota paid for the tooling and fixed cost of the Toybaru production line, in exchange for getting most of the output. This production line cannot be used for anything else, so an increase in production capacity represents a high risk for Toyota. Toyota wanted to introduce more models, eg, 4-door and a convertible, in order to justify building another production line. But Subaru is not excited about this, and there is physically no room at the plant for another production line.

That means Toyota may not want to repeat the current set-up for the 2nd gen FT-86. But that doesn't mean the Toybaru will die prematurely.

:clap:

Sounds shitty, but I hope they do away with the boxer. It would be nice to have a "limited edition car" I'm in love with my car and I have always been concerned with it becomeing the next civic. This just might save it.

AMEN!!!!

I don't know why people are hating on this boxer engine. Some people are holding 500+ whp on the stock block so far. Built blocks are getting up to 700+whp. It's all about the tune. For reference the WRX STI motor can hold about 400whp in its unbuilt form.

Boss: Guys, news is slow this week. Let's make up speculations to get some views.

Writers: Subaru BRZ getting canned!

I was out drinking with Mr. Tada (only pretentious clowns call him Tada-san, and it should be Tada-sama anyway to anyone but his boss and drinking buddies) and he told me that the new FR-S is going to be a re-badged LFA. I said "no f-in way", but he was just drunk enough to tell me how they were going to cut 300K off the price of an LFA. Hold off on buying one now, and wait for the '16 is all I can say.

The rumors are not exactly correct, but they are not BS. The Z4 replacement IS built on BMW-Toyota modular sports-car platform, and so will the GT86, direct or indirect replacement, be built on this platform, and Subaru is out. They are working on their new modular platform.

Some people want a reliable engine/tune in stock form and want to keep a warranty. I think everyone is pretty disgusted at how Toyota/Subaru is handling the ECU update debacle. Pretty horseshit to use some random TSB to try to get an ECU update under warranty. I would have gladly paid $5k more for a bullet proof engine in stock form, especially if it also removed that dreaded torque dip.