FBM Stage 1 Cams w/ Stage 2 Head Results 743HP!
 

We got a chance to test our stage 1 cams with our Stage two head package on a stage 2 block. We are extremely happy with the result. You can see the motor responds very well and carries the power out nicely. Our stage 1 is a very nice street cam and idles very close to stock.

We will be testing some stage 2 cams shortly and will post results :D

Egnine Setup..

FBM Stage 2 Long block
FBM Stage 2 Turbo kit with PTE6466
FBM Stage 1 Cams

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:bow: Always the best parts as usual. Great stuff guys ;)

Im never going to have money with you all coming out with so many cool things :/

At least my gtx3076 will spool like a beast when i get all these goodies!

Great results. That will make a massive "seat of the pants" difference, broadening the power band like that.

I also like how early the difference is being made. It shows that this will be an excellent option even for 300-350whp builds.

Oh my :drool:

Wow! Can we see the torque curve too?

Stage 1 cams huh, whats the lift on those? Curious to see if you guys squeezed more out of the cams than the HKS stroker kit did.

It's amazing how much earlier it spools now and this car has a gtx35r on it!!

The Frozen North

Cam lift and #s are hard to comapare since readings defer by manfucters . For a known fact i know hks overstates their cams and bc does slightly

That makes those HKS cams even more depressing :(

I will pull up a torque curve tomorrow


I know its going to make me sound like an asshole but we have a lot invested into making this setup work, so we would like to keep that as proprietary info.

The results are from the combo of heads and cams. I would not recommend running the cams by themselves.

For the amount of work you guys work, and put out for decent prices you better not to !

Im just wondering are you using factory cams that are regrinded or managed to create them off blanks ?


Sent from my IBrick

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Can you guys do payments of hopes and dreams?

Fantastic area under the curve!!

I can't help but wonder with the HP curve being so flat on top that the car would feel like it stopped pulling..

As HP is a function of HP=(TQ x RPM)/5252 in order for HP to stay constant as RPM increases torque would have to drop off quickly.

I also noticed you are running more PSI over the RPM band, could this explain the gain in 18whp peak and increased area under the curve?

Are these cams intended to spool big turbos early as opposed to top end power?

Any plans for NA cam packages or testing?

So far, every post from FBM.

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Look at it in relation to stock.... The slope of the hp curve is drastically improved even though torque may be dropping off at these massive airflow levels.

if @FullBlown will i want them to sign me up lol

As always great results and beautiful parts! Crazy how the whole powerband kicks in sooner.



#3 on that list please.

havent you taken enough of my money =) good job

Yes the increase is most likely from the boost level. I can see this setup working well on most turbo setups.


Not right now but we might test some NA stuff.

I will do unspeakable things to swap this motor into an FRS for me and call it my own...feel free to pm for details, lol

Couple of questions:
1; Testing is done using a built long block. Is there any reason why this head package cannot be used on a stock block.
2: Does the increase in lift/duration make the motor an interference motor? (I'm not actually sure if stock fa20 is already an interference motor)
3: Will the sale of this product be offered on a core exhange basis, to minimise down time?
4: Is all varible valve timing and such retained with this package, so that low rpm drivability and economy is minimally effect?

Colour me interested by the way.

their website says they will require a core otherwise its a $1500 charge for the core.

Edit: did a quick search if the fa20 was an interferance motor and came up with this thread;
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10129

1; Testing is done using a built long block. Is there any reason why this head package cannot be used on a stock block.

There is no reason why you cannot use it on a stock motor. Stock rods are a hit or miss. It would be crappy to have an oem rod let go and destroy everything up top.

2: Does the increase in lift/duration make the motor an interference motor? (I'm not actually sure if stock fa20 is already an interference motor)

Stock pistons could have interference issues but we have not yet confirmed this. It will clear every aftermarket pistons out there. (Builder should always check)

We advise all customers to let us clearance and shim everything for them. These heads can be tricky to get right.

3: Will the sale of this product be offered on a core exhange basis, to minimise down time?

Yes, cores are already in the works. We have been selling this head package without cams for awhile.


4: Is all varible valve timing and such retained with this package, so that low rpm drivability and economy is minimally effect?

Yes it is

Man, y'all are makin' it hard for me not to go nuts on my BRZ. Good work! :)

More info on this Stage 2 long block please
@FullBlown

The main difference from our stage 1 and stage 2 is the upgraded pistons and wrist pins. We upgraded the rods bolts and some other bits and pieces that we do to the block so it is able to holds over 40psi of boost.

Like how does it work, outright new parts or do you want our cores?
When are you taking orders?
Don't care what this costs
I want it, and can justify the expense

We have cores that are ready. We would charge you a core fee and refund that when we get your parts back.

what are we looking at cost wise for this stage 2 long block its not on your site of this one

This is beauty! Big ups to FullBlown!!! Amazing power curve.

Would anything like a twinscroll setup on this (w/GTX or BW) negate the earlier spool characteristics over a single scroll?

Right there with you Paco!

Would love to get a stroker kit from you guys over hks if one for NA is provided!

A twin scroll with the right exhaust housing could produce better spool and power. We are working on a twin scroll setup atm.

There's not much room in these motors to add enough stroke to make it worth while. A stroker kit will easily cost 6-8k for .1 liter increase. We could take it to a 2.2L but have not decided if we want to pull the trigger on that yet. That could be easily 8-10k.

Product info and pricing will be added to our site today. I will post it here as well. thanks

Will the twin scroll kit be a easy upgrade for those of us that already have the kit?

Hopes and dreams are great for snacking on but they don't pay the overhead on a garage.