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paulca 06-09-2014 01:33 PM

Can you name any FWD sports cars?
 
I'm going to insist that the car is a sports car first and then sup'ed up. No family runabouts that got a wash of bling at a "Racing Department Tunning Shop". So no Civic TyreR, no Megane 265, definately no Clio RS or even Focus RS.

I'm going to take a stab at.

Fiat Coupe.
Hyundai Coupe.
Toyota Celica (later gen)
MR2 spider thing

tahdizzle 06-09-2014 01:44 PM

Audi TT

f0rge 06-09-2014 02:00 PM

Prelude (no 4 door version)
ITR despite what you say above
Lotus Elan
RSX (no 4 door version)
Sirocco
Alfa GTV & Spider (1993-2004)

paulca 06-09-2014 02:03 PM

Is the TT not 4WD?

Mitsubishi FTO or Eclipse? (It has a few names)

strat61caster 06-09-2014 02:03 PM

Honda Prelude

In the same vein Scion TC, the successor to the Celica.

I'd love to say Integra but from the outset it had a 4-door variant so it doesn't meet your criteria. However the last generation (RSX here) only came in a 2 door, may meet your criteria?

Renault and some other Euro makers might have a few:
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports_cars"]List of sports cars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


Edit: deliberated too long got beat to the punch on the Prelude :(

tahdizzle 06-09-2014 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulca (Post 1786840)
Is the TT not 4WD?

Mitsubishi FTO or Eclipse? (It has a few names)


You can get a TT w/o quattro.

paulca 06-09-2014 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f0rge (Post 1786832)
ITR despite what you say above

Also known as ... wait for it...

Rover 416i

MokSpeed 06-09-2014 02:08 PM

How is a Civic Type R not a sports car?

Edit: Nevermind. Read your post again.

Sideways&Smiling 06-09-2014 02:15 PM

All but the m100 Lotus Elan were RWD. The MR2 was RWD.

tobin 06-09-2014 02:36 PM

Honda del Sol

rice_classic 06-09-2014 02:40 PM

CRX!

fatoni 06-09-2014 02:53 PM

to say that the celica is a sports car and not the civic or integra r doesnt make any sense. i can tell you that the integra r gives my brz a serious run for its money in the handling department (hard to compare since my time with each was so far apart). my speed protege handles better than most "sports cars."

if you care more about where a car came from rather than how it drives now, i dont think you understand what a sports car is about.

King Tut 06-09-2014 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulca (Post 1786765)
Can you name any FWD sports cars?

No. FWD is not found in my definition of a sports car.

RenegadeSS 06-09-2014 03:13 PM

Cobalt SS, AE92 corolla, AE111 trueno,

kelee 06-09-2014 03:14 PM

Yeah, MR2 and MRS were RWD.

I would add the '98 Civic Si to the list of factory options:

CRX
Integra Type R
RSX-S

Also:
VW GTI
Celica GTS
Mazdaspeed3
Mini Cooper S JCW
Focus RS, Focus ST, Fiesta ST

Someone (not me) may nominate the Neon SRT4.

hobojoker 06-09-2014 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelee (Post 1786979)
Yeah, MR2 and MRS were RWD.

I would add the '98 Civic Si to the list of factory options:

CRX
Integra Type R
RSX-S

Also:
VW GTI
Celica GTS
Mazdaspeed3
Mini Cooper S JCW
Focus RS, Focus ST, Fiesta ST

Someone (not me) may nominate the Neon SRT4.

In your "Also:" you just listed everything that the OP already wanted excluded, boosted up economy cars.

kelee 06-09-2014 03:27 PM

so I guess the M3 isn't a RWD sports car then. my bad.

vh_supra26 06-09-2014 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1786977)
No. FWD is not found in my definition of a sports car.

This, there is not such thing as a FWD sports car.

However, there are FWD sporty cars.

Bg8780 06-09-2014 03:36 PM

Lancia Fulvia HF

cuz V4 is cool ;)

Bg8780 06-09-2014 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vh_supra26 (Post 1787023)
This, there is not such thing as a FWD sports car.

However, there are FWD sporty cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asKuY...ature=youtu.be

It's not off a showroom floor though. So you're still right.

But FWD can still "because racecar"

vh_supra26 06-09-2014 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 1786938)
to say that the celica is a sports car and not the civic or integra r doesnt make any sense. i can tell you that the integra r gives my brz a serious run for its money in the handling department (hard to compare since my time with each was so far apart). my speed protege handles better than most "sports cars."

if you care more about where a car came from rather than how it drives now, i dont think you understand what a sports car is about.

I would say it depends on which gen Celica we are talking about.

The last gen Celica were FWD sporty cars. It didn't have the GT4 option.

tahdizzle 06-09-2014 03:52 PM

the 3000gt was a FWD sports car :p

f0rge 06-09-2014 04:01 PM

How could I have forgotten the ultimate example of "FWD sports car"?

The 2006-2007 Chevy Monte Carlo SS. 303hp/323tq V8 and a 4 speed auto channeled through the front wheels to 235/50R18 all-season Eagle RSA's.

Oh hells yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrol...e_Carlo_SS.jpg

gymratter 06-09-2014 04:04 PM

lol, FWD sports cars do not exist people. sporty FWD cars are another story.

rice_classic 06-09-2014 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vh_supra26 (Post 1787023)
This, there is not such thing as a FWD sports car.

However, there are FWD sporty cars.

Merriam Webster:
: a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving


Bing Dictionary
  • sports car
  1. small fast car: a small car with a low center of gravity designed for fast acceleration and for handling at high speeds

Dictionary.com

sports car


noun a small, high-powered automobile with long, low lines, usually seating two persons.




World English Dictionary

sports car
n
a production car designed for speed, high acceleration, and manoeuvrability, having a low body and usually adequate seating for only two persons

rice_classic 06-09-2014 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gymratter (Post 1787092)
lol, FWD sports cars do not exist people. sporty FWD cars are another story.

Source?


3 out 4 of those definitions above say that only seating 2 is a pre-requisite. Thus the CRX is more of a Sports Car by definition than the Twins.. you know, according to actual definitions.

Wouldn't want to be pedantic or anything.

vh_supra26 06-09-2014 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 1787114)
Merriam Webster:
: a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving


Bing Dictionary
  • sports car
  1. small fast car: a small car with a low center of gravity designed for fast acceleration and for handling at high speeds

Dictionary.com

sports car


noun a small, high-powered automobile with long, low lines, usually seating two persons.




World English Dictionary

sports car
n
a production car designed for speed, high acceleration, and manoeuvrability, having a low body and usually adequate seating for only two persons

My friends over at wikipedia disagrees.

Quote:

Layout

The drive train and engine layout significantly influences the handling characteristics of an automobile, and is crucially important in the design of a sports car.

The front-engine, rear-wheel-drive layout (FR) is common to sports cars of any era and has survived longer in sports cars than in mainstream automobiles. Examples include the Caterham 7, Mazda MX-5, and the Chevrolet Corvette. More specifically, many such sports cars have a FMR layout, with the centre of mass of the engine between the front axle and the firewall.

In search of improved handling and weight distribution, other layouts are sometimes used. The RMR layout is commonly found only in sports cars—the motor is centre-mounted in the chassis (closer to and behind the driver), and powers only the rear wheels. Some high-performance sports car manufacturers, such as Ferrari and Lamborghini have preferred this layout.

Porsche is one of the few remaining manufacturers using the rear-engine, rear-wheel-drive layout (RR). The motor's distributed weight across the wheels, in a Porsche 911, provides excellent traction, but the significant mass behind the rear wheels makes it more prone to oversteer in some situations. Porsche has continuously refined the design and in recent years added electronic driving aids (i.e. computerised traction-stability control) to counteract these inherent design shortcomings.[5]

The front-engine, front-wheel-drive layout (FF) layout which is the most common in sport compacts and hot hatches, and cars in general, is not generally used for sports cars. This layout is advantageous for small, light, lower power sports cars, as it avoids the extra weight, increased transmission power loss, and packaging problems of a long driveshaft and longitudinal engine of FR vehicles. However, its conservative handling effect, particularly understeer, and the fact that many drivers believe rear wheel drive is a more desirable layout for a sports car count against it. The Fiat Barchetta, Saab Sonett and Berkeley cars are sports cars with this layout.

Before the 1980s few sports cars used four-wheel drive, which had traditionally added a lot of weight. Although not a sports car, the Audi Quattro proved its worth in rallying. With its improvement in traction, particularly in adverse weather conditions, four-wheel drive is no longer uncommon in high-powered sports cars, e.g. Porsche, Lamborghini, and the Bugatti Veyron.

rice_classic 06-09-2014 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vh_supra26 (Post 1787125)
My friends over at wikipedia disagrees.

Wikipedia is not a credible source. I could edit that article and say that Mother Theresa was a Sports Car.

Also, you didn't read the quote anyway:

Quote:

The Fiat Barchetta, Saab Sonett and Berkeley cars are sports cars with this layout.

rice_classic 06-09-2014 04:21 PM

More from "your friends at wiki"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Front-wheel-drive_sports_cars

vh_supra26 06-09-2014 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 1787137)
Wikipedia is not a credible source. I could edit that article and say that Mother Theresa was a Sports Car.

Also, you didn't read the quote anyway:

They actually have a reviewer that reads everything that is edited.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 1787148)

Alright man, you keep enjoying your FWD sports cars :thumbsup:

gymratter 06-09-2014 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 1787124)
Source?


3 out 4 of those definitions above say that only seating 2 is a pre-requisite. Thus the CRX is more of a Sports Car by definition than the Twins.. you know, according to actual definitions.

Wouldn't want to be pedantic or anything.

Source? ME!!!

lol, so you define a sports car by what a book says. LAME!!!

i define it on how it feels and drives.

any real enthusiast knows a sports car is RWD or AWD. there is a reason why they make FWD cars. its cheaper and economical.

rice_classic 06-09-2014 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vh_supra26 (Post 1787155)
Alright man, you keep enjoying your FWD sports cars :thumbsup:

Racing one this weekend... for sport. :burnrubber:

Levi 06-09-2014 04:37 PM

FWD cars are "psuedo-sports cars", not sports cars by definition.

If you want to build a sportscar (from scratch), you'd build it with the engine closer to the center or at the back, as RWD or eventually AWD. FWD sprotscars are a result of constraints that are costly to overcome. Sports cars are about the best layout as long constraints permit it or can be overcome, FWD is not the best layout. Again a 100 PS sports car does not need to be RWD...

rice_classic 06-09-2014 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gymratter (Post 1787167)
any real enthusiast knows a sports car is RWD or AWD. there is a reason why they make FWD cars. its cheaper and economical.

:laughabove:

Any "real" enthusiast... lol that's funny shit right there. :lol:

rice_classic 06-09-2014 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi (Post 1787194)
FWD cars are "psuedo-sports cars", not sports cars by definition.

Conjecture.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi (Post 1787194)
Sports cars are about the best layout as long constraints permit it or can be overcome, FWD is not the best layout. Again a 100 PS sports car does not need to be RWD...

Contradictory statement. In the event that you're goal is to make a 100-120hp sports car that's affordable and light wouldn't FWD work better as you're going suffer less drive-train loss and the vehicle will also be lighter? Since 100PS doesn't need to be RWD, that stand to reason a FWD layout is the best layout for a 100PS sports car.

Nothing in the definition of sports car says it has to be very powerful.

gymratter 06-09-2014 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 1787206)
:laughabove:

Any "real" enthusiast... lol that's funny shit right there. :lol:

when you think of eco / family / boring cars what comes to mind. FWD :thumbsup:

tahdizzle 06-09-2014 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gymratter (Post 1787167)
Source? ME!!!

lol, so you define a sports car by what a book says. LAME!!!

i define it on how it feels and drives.

any real enthusiast knows a sports car is RWD or AWD. there is a reason why they make FWD cars. its cheaper and economical.

By your definition a 3 wheeled vehicle, be it FWD or RWD, could be a sports car. Just by how it feels when you drive it.

I agree with you though. I definitely feel a FWD car can be classified as a sports car if it feels like a sports car.

gymratter 06-09-2014 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tahdizzle (Post 1787239)
By your definition a 3 wheeled vehicle, be it FWD or RWD, could be a sports car. Just by how it feels when you drive it.

I agree with you though. I definitely feel a FWD car can be classified as a sports car if it feels like a sports car.

RWD 3 wheeler > FWD 4 wheeler

maybe your driving the wrong cars ;)

alright guys, lets make everything FWD. Toyota please make the next 86 FWD so all the people on this thread can be happy. while you are at it make FT1 FWD too. please please Toyota, cause FWD rocks :D

paulca 06-09-2014 04:59 PM

Ahhh yes. Now the purpose of my post becomes clear. A good old controversial debate.

I think my point is, there aren't many true to the bone FWD purpose built sports cars.

Plenty of sporty re-purposed family hatchback/salons, but few thoroughbreds.

An M3 is arguably a sup'ed up executive salon. BMW didn't make a sports car and then down tune it into a 318i did they?

tahdizzle 06-09-2014 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gymratter (Post 1787256)
RWD 3 wheeler > FWD 4 wheeler

maybe your driving the wrong cars ;)

alright guys, lets make everything FWD. Toyota please make the next 86 FWD so all the people on this thread can be happy. while you are at it make FT1 FWD too. please please Toyota, cause FWD rocks :D

http://pics.imcdb.org/0ge24/249819-Reliant_Robin_2.jpg


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